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That injury was not serious to remain in the hospital. They keep people with severe injuries in the hospital unless they are terminally ill. What's hilarious is thinking somebody scored some kind of points by acting like someone needs to be a doctor to know that. Only morons would believe that.

I think anyone knows when a vehicle is no longer in front of them headed towards them and when a vehicle is beside them, heading away from them with the distance between themselves and the vehicle is increasing. My mention of the videos and photos are only designed to be used to show that description of events is accurate.

You're still doing nothing but offering excuses. Officers are supposed to show justification every time a weapon is fired. It was fired three times for sure. There is ample reason to show the first shot was justified. That's not so for the last two shots. All of the excuses in the world won't change that.

I SAID THIS:


YOU RESPONDED WITH THIS:



YOU turned this into an argument as to whether or not he should have been hospitalized.

That's called a Strawman.

The FACT is: You can both have internal bleeding and not be hospitalized.

That is why this is just another in a long line of arguments that make no sense.

Yes and something as slight as bruising is described as internal bleeding. I didn't turn this into "an argument as to whether or not he should have been hospitalized". Doctors already determined that. I reported that doctors didn't find the injury as something serious enough to hospitalize him. That isn't starting an argument. That's telling you what the doctors determined. Claiming otherwise is your Strawman.

I do however understand how pointing out his injury wasn't serious would be so upsetting to you and that somehow you find it offensive I pointed it out.

The description being used could be as simple as bruising. That would make sense since he was looked at and released.

Bruising is a form of internal bleeding where small blood vessels break under the skin, leaking blood into surrounding tissues................

The more you read the more you know.

So, your final answer is he was never taken to the hospital??

Look dude, I have no idea how your brain works but I know it's just wired to create arguments from thin air.

One poster inferred he wasn't really injured because he never even went to the hospital. I simply stated there was nothing about that in the article... because there wasn't. Don't know if he just likes making ish up or what -- don't care.


Your response was that Noem sent him home.


I have no flipping idea what that has to do with the conversation. I've tried to explain that. At this point you must be taking pleasure in wasting my time.

I'm not here to argue the severity of his injuries or what a flipping bruise is. On a scale of 1-10 I care about -4. I never said his injuries were severe, never even hinted at it. I simply stated to a poster -- one that posted what is most likely a lie -- that their article is b.s.

You've tried to move the argument in three different directions since then.

If this were a blind date, I'd already be suing you for harassment. Nothing you have said has made any sense, yet you're still blabbering nonsense.

Shut. Up.

Earlier in this thread, you said the first shot was the "kill" shot.

Later in this thread you said "I understand the first shot".

Once again, reporting the doctors findings is not an argument.



That's just a flat out lie that you are making up out of thin air.

It appears you can't comprehend that clarifying his injuries were not serious helps clear up some of the accusations being launched by both sides of this discussion. And my saying he was injured I'm agreeing with you that he did in fact go to the hospital. Agreeing with you isn't staring an argument.

Yes at some point he was sent to the hospital. There is a video showing him walking away from the shooting scene immediately after the incident. Nothing appeared abnormal. That once again is not an argument. It's a point of fact.

The only thing it seems you are all worked up about is that I brought into question the extent of his injuries. This after Noem trying to dramatize and put his injuries in the worst possible light. After trump claiming she "ran over him". None of which you even offered to comment on.

Now suddenly, even after me agreeing with some your points you act like a child about it. That explains exactly how your brain works.

Now shut up.

You need to find a quote on that. FATE said he was certain the first shot was the kill shot, not me. I said it may have been but we don't know.

And how does that change anything? I do understand the first shot. I've said that all along. Whether or not the first shot killed her or not doesn't change the circumstances of shots two and three. When an officer, or anyone of us for that matter, fires a weapon at someone we are responsible that we shot that weapon in a responsible manner and at the time that weapon was fired we had a reasonable fear for our life. That's whether that person with the shot or not.

And any dumb ass knows you don't continue shooting at someone once there is no longer a threat. Some of you keep trying to make excuses for those second and third shots when there is none.

That's YOU talking. A quote from your post.

And any dumb ass knows you don't continue shooting at someone once there is no longer a threat. Some of you keep trying to make excuses for those second and third shots when there is none.

That's YOU talking. A quote from your post. Post number 2131121

An observation/lack of observation worth asking is:

When did the cop pull his gun?
I coould have missed it, but I never saw him draw his gun
Suggesting that he already had it out well before he fired - why?
Suggests that he was eager to(for lack of a better word) to shoot someone

A bruise is internal bleeding. Once assessed it is no worse than that, you go home.

While you may be able to argue the semantics, in the medical field no one and I mean no one would ever call a bruise internal bleeding.
An SAT question would be: bruise is to internal bleeding as 200 meter is to ultra marathon

They also said he is at home with his family recovering from internal bleeding.

They made sure they sent him to the hospital but would not let a DR that was there look at her immediately. She was alive after the crash the they waited and let her die. No one has a problem with that?

Exactly. That's why those second and third shots should have never been taken. How much did you have to drink last night?

Try actually reading the thread in its context rather than trying to find a gotchya moment. There is none.

The word "continue" means follow up shots not the initial one. But I get it. English is hard.

Sadly, I had very little to drink last night. I have a job.

But, now that you mention it, perhaps you could tell us all how much YOU had to drink, and smoke, last night?

Or, perhaps you could tell us how you know the first shot was the kill shot. And tell us how the officer was supposed to know if it was or wasn't, in the span of half a second to a whole second. I mean, the vehicle was speeding away.....

I hadn't heard that
Do you have a link?

I don't know which shot was the kill shot. I never claimed I did. I simply pointed out that it is quite understandable why he took that first shot. He was standing in front of the vehicle. The second and third shots were taken when he was beside the vehicle with at least four feet of clearance between he and the vehicle as it was driving away. Nowhere did I say anything about which one of those shots was responsible for her death.

How many time does that need to be repeated in this thread before that sinks in? Can you show anywhere that I have said otherwise? Let me save you some time. The answer is no.

And BTW- I haven't drank or smoked anything in 15 years other than having two beers with GM when he visited Nashville several years ago. Just for future reference.

And when I was a big drinker I was working for a living myself. Millions of people do. So what point you were trying to make with that BS I have no idea.

I don't have a link, but that seems to be fairly accurate. Someone said they were a doctor but officers refused treatment. I guess that's discretionary depending on safety in a protest or "warm zone" situation. It's come under more scrutiny over the years. Bottom line, all LEOs are trained that safety is the first box on flowchart.

I think a good question is why it took 15 minutes for paramedics to arrive at a 10-day powder keg.

Also important to note that no doctor on the scene was saving her. That was a basic impossibility. But alas, that's hindsight.

Bombing people always enhances peace. Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan. Can you explain how many of these situations were actually "wars" though? How many of them were actually declared as wars? I don't think any of them rise to that level and it's just a way to embellish and exaggerate reality.


I don't think so. I don't think you've climbed that deep down the rabbit hole yet.

Even though you seem to sidestep and ignore a lot of the things trump says and does.

Newly Released Records Detail Chaos During Fatal ICE Shooting in Minneapolis
Reports from the city’s police and fire departments show that Renee Good, who was killed by an ICE agent last week, was found with two gunshot wounds to her chest and one to her forearm.

Published Jan. 15, 2026
Updated Jan. 16, 2026
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Here’s the latest.
Newly released records from the Minneapolis police and fire departments detailed the chaotic moments that unfolded after a federal agent fatally shot Renee Good, who was found in her vehicle with two gunshot wounds to her chest and another to her forearm.

The responders found Ms. Good unresponsive inside her Honda S.U.V. on Jan. 7, and after they removed her from the vehicle, she was not breathing and had an irregular pulse, according to one of the reports. She also had a possible gunshot wound to the left side of her head. By the time the workers took her out of her vehicle, she had no pulse, and they performed CPR on her as she was rushed to a hospital, the report said.

The details, revealed in incident reports from the Minneapolis police and fire departments and 911 call logs obtained by The New York Times, sketched out the shock and fear of bystanders who frantically called for help after the agent, from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, opened fire. One of the 911 calls came from a man who appeared to be requesting assistance on behalf of homeland security officers on the scene.

The federal government has defended the ICE agent who shot Ms. Good, saying he acted in self-defense, a narrative state and local officials have disputed repeatedly. The shooting had set off over a week of intense protests in the city, prompting Gov. Tim Walz to plead for peaceful demonstrations. At the same time, Mr. Walz and local officials called for the federal government to end its immigration crackdown in the city.

On Wednesday evening, a separate shooting by a federal agent touched off more clashes between protesters and law enforcement officers. In response, President Trump said Thursday that he would consider invoking the Insurrection Act, which allows him to use the military to quash an insurrection or invasion.

Ms. Good has been labeled a domestic terrorist by Trump aides, while Stephen Miller, a top White House official, on Thursday described the protests as an “insurgency.” Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, said Mr. Trump’s threats to invoke the Insurrection Act were a warning to Democrats.

Here’s what we’re covering:

Chaotic aftermath: The newly released records show Minneapolis police officers trying to manage a volatile scene as observers and protesters confronted federal agents. Local officers called for crowd control, and recognized the urgent need to evacuate federal agents from the area. Read more ›

Agents’ authority: When a federal agent ordered Ms. Good to get out of her Honda Pilot, was she legally obligated to comply? Experts said the answer is not so simple. While Ms. Good was compelled to follow a lawful order, it is not clear whether the immigration agents on the scene were acting within their authority. Read more ›

Legal action: Lawyers representing the family of Ms. Good, a 37-year-old poet, said on Thursday that they anticipate taking legal action against the federal government and have asked officials to preserve all possible evidence. They earlier announced they would investigate Ms. Good’s killing and described her as a mother of three and a person of faith. Read more ›

Francesca Regalado contributed reporting.

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Jan. 16, 2026, 12:10 a.m. ETJan. 16, 2026
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Emergency call transcripts record a crisis unfolding in real time.
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A maroon Honda Pilot S.U.V. smashed into a utility pole.
After the shooting, a caller pleaded: “Send an ambulance please. Ambulance, please.” Credit...David Guttenfelder/The New York Times
Renee Good was shot last week amid a thicket of cellphones that recorded her killing and afforded instant communication for witnesses.

Records of police and emergency operators released late Thursday contain fragmentary, confused and profane reports from the scene in south Minneapolis and the efforts of the city police to contend with a crisis not of their making. The documents — about 60 pages of 911 call transcripts and police and fire department incident reports — sketch the visceral shock of bystanders, reduced to dry transcripts and terse entries in the shorthand of the police scanner.

The calls to 911 began at 9:38 a.m. on Jan. 7, shortly after an Immigration and Customs and Enforcement officer fired a gun into Ms. Good’s maroon Honda Pilot as observers and protesters confronted federal agents. The frantic calls persisted for about an hour.

“There’s 15 ICE agents, and they shot her, like, because she wouldn’t open her car door,” one caller said.

“I witnessed it,” a separate caller told an operator. Asked if anyone was hit, she replied, after catching her breath, “Yes, bleeding.” The caller later said, “She tried to drive away, but crashed into the nearest vehicle that was parked.”

The caller said she saw blood all over the driver.

The dispatcher responded that “lots of help” was on the way. Another caller pleaded: “Send an ambulance please. Ambulance, please.”

When paramedics arrived at 9:42 a.m., Ms. Good was in the driver’s seat, unresponsive, with blood on her face and torso, the records say. After they removed her from the vehicle, she was not breathing and had an irregular pulse.

She had two apparent gunshot wounds on the right side of her chest, another on her left forearm and a possible fourth on the left side of her head. Blood was flowing from her left ear, and her pupils were dilated, the Fire Department’s report said.

In an ambulance en route to the hospital, medics performed CPR on Ms. Good. About 10:30 a.m., resuscitation efforts were stopped.

Jonathan Ross, who was identified as the ICE agent who shot Ms. Good, was still on the scene, according to a report from the Minneapolis Police Department. About 15 minutes later, he was taken to a federal building.

One of the 911 calls came from a man who appeared to be calling for emergency assistance and local police on behalf of homeland security officers on the scene.

From there, the terse communications among Minneapolis police and fire units recorded in incident reports released Thursday night tell the story.

At 9:47 a.m.: “NEED CROWD CONTROL AND AREA BLOCKED OFF.”

Three minutes later: “CROWD GETTING HOSTILE.”

10:07 a.m.: “CONTACT WHO IS IN CHARGE OF FEDS AND HAVE THEM LEAVE SCENE”

But evacuating ICE was difficult, as the crowd became increasingly agitated. About 20 people tried to surround officers at one point, the records said.

11:01 a.m.: “ICE BEING SURROUNDED."

11:20 a.m.: “ALL ICE AGENTS HAVE LEFT SCENE.”

11:38 a.m.: “CROWD CALMED DOWN NOW THAT ICE IS GONE."

Within an hour after, videos of the killing were being seen on cellphones around the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/0....27tTcxkzuIwX&smid=nytcore-ios-share

Fair enough. A bruise is caused by something. I thought it was the pooling of blood.

I agree, internal bleeding is more serious than a simple bruise.

Actually Peen you are correct that a bruise "can be " called internal bleeding because of the very description you gave. What I think people should keep in mind is I have seen nowhere that "medical professional" told us that or described it that way. The DHS did. As I said quite possibly to make his injury sound as severe as they could. This is from The Cleveland Clinic........


There are of course far more severe types of internal bleeding. However serious forms of internal bleeding require repair and often times hospitalization. That wasn't the case here.

There is a ER doctor that comes up on my feed on Tik tok and he stated that they only picked 2 words from the report-internal bleeding. and internal bleeding could just be "bruising"
The proof is in the pudding-for a actual fact check they would need more detailed report released of condition and treatment

They won't even allow state and local aw enforcement to have any information much less the rest of us. There is a reason for that. If there weren't a reason for it they would have released it.

Fate-
here is the video of the doctor asking to go check-
you could see the woman in the car. you can also see that there is nobody tending to her.
there is a lot of f bombs at the end of the video from another woman.

https://newrepublic.com/post/205373/evidence-renee-good-still-alive-ice-blocked-medic

And now the Washington Post is reporting that there have been 1500 active duty troops in the Army 11th out of Alaska being prepared for Minnesota. No deployment yet, just prep

It's pretty simple. It's a cover up. They don't want transparency or to be held accountable. Period.

Just my guess but I don't believe that Agent was injured. The video they claim shows him getting hit, doesn't...

Was it Ice Barbie that said he went to the hospital? I think so...She's an idiot... a program host on I think CNN played a short video clip from Jan 6, 2021 and asked her if those cops had the right to defend themselves and arrest the perps.. She went around and around in circles....Painted herself in a corner.... If she says it, you gotta question it.

"Also important to note that no doctor on the scene was saving her. That was a basic impossibility. But alas, that's hindsight."

The Dr on the scene was not allowed to look at her. They let her die. Oh they were concerned the mother of all domestic terrorism had bombs or something in her car. GMFB.
Was it impossible that she couldnt be saved? No one knows, an investigation has not looked into every aspect of what happened to determine anything. Maybe if they looked into everything they could come up with procedures that are safer for everyone....Nah. lets just spew exaggerated rhetoric and lies that supports your agenda. Thats the maga way

Is the FBI going to investigate the Killing of Ms Good?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/do...nesota-agitators-allegedly-storms-church

Here is the problem with allowing the mob to operate in our cities. They jumped to a wrong conclusion and stormed a church service. In doing so they violated civil rights laws. I hope each agitator is found, arrested, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. There is no need for this type of behavior. Again, if you want to peaceful protest then do so but what these agitators are doing is far from peaceful.

LMAO

I woman was murdered by ICE - and your post is someone's civil rights were infringed!! This is just one reason why you are a fake Christian/Bot.

She caused her own fate with her actions. Why was she there? Why was she obstructing justice? Why did she disobey an order? Why did she use her car as a weapon? Again, the righteous does not rejoice at the death of the wicked but she caused her own fate.

So now you think disobeying an order from ICE deserves the death penalty?

She wasn't attempting to use her vehicle as a weapon. The video clearly shoes that.

The first shot was legitimate. I understand how the agent may have been in fear of his life. The last two shots were not.


Look up the penalty under law for this BS you listed, the penalty under law does not call for the death penalty so none of that makes sense.

Self-defense plain and simple. If she was not there where she does not belong doing what she was doing this would not have happened and even after that, then if she would have just complied with the officers, she would not be dead. Her fault plain and simple.