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From the Obama Administration.......ERO EAD Thomas Homan receives 2015 Presidential Rank Award
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ero-ead-thomas-homan-receives-2015-presidential-rank-award

There is no contrast... both sides are the same.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline

So while the crux of your argument is true (ICE detention conditions being sub-standard and leading to deaths, and that being ignored by liberals because...Obama), you're being no less dishonest by throwing a number out there that is actually an 8-year total and trying to compare it to 1 year (more like 6-9 months since CA, IIRC).

And then you have the whole ICE-shooting-US-citizens angle on top of that.

I didn't throw out any number, you must be hallucinating.

Second, there IS contrast. You're just ignoring it. Very few were complaining about Obama at the time. He was deporting hundreds of thousands from the beginning. Many said he wasn't being tough enough.

So, I ask you, where were the protests, where were the riots, where were the "Hitler!" chants, where were the politicians heading to foreign countries to make sure wife-beaters were being treated right? What about the media demonizing his every move? Politicians telling him to get out of their cities?

I'll help you -- none of that existed. If you can't see that contrast, you're being "willfully ignorant". I'll help you with the rest as well, all that stuff in the paragraph above this one is the reason for the violence and two unfortunate deaths.

Remember when the Jury found Rittenhouse not guilty in Kenosha shootings? I’ll remind the MAGAts …. Rittenhouse, 18, was found not guilty on all counts on November 19, 2021, regarding the August 2020 shootings in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The jury acquitted him of homicide and recklessly endangering safety charges after he pleaded self-defense, finding he acted lawfully. (But the firearm wasn't legal for him to have in the first place) The verdict followed over three days of deliberations. Applauded by all MAGAts.

A VA nurse is murdered by ICE after he was disarmed while carrying a legal gun with permit to do so. Are you MAGAts hypocrites or just plain Nazis? Which is it?

There have been 3 murders in Minneapolis this year. 2 by the ICE Gestapo.

Oh yeah we’re still going to need the other 99% of the Epstein files.

I'll explain it to you again..............

Trump’s removal policy seems geared to focus on “criminal” aliens, it also vaguely references broad sections of immigration law and categories of non-citizens that essentially make all unauthorized immigrants “priorities” for removal at any time. The Trump policy is governed by the overarching principle that no group of immigrants will be exempted or excluded from enforcement through prosecutorial discretion.

Obama focused on national security threats, immigrants convicted of serious crimes, and recent border crossers. The memo also laid out factors that should be considered when exercising prosecutorial discretion to deprioritize or not take action against otherwise removable persons, including strong family or community ties and length of time in the country.

When you combine that with sending thousand of agents into a single city, targeting people by their color and not probable cause, detaining people because they "don't have their paperwork", detaining over 180 American citizens, and look like a military operation rather than immigration enforcement it matters.

People want those Obama removed, removed. Only extremists advocate a man who raised three sons, all Marine veterans who has been in this country for over three decades with no criminal record swooped up on the streets and detained or deported.


I'm not sure of you're pretending not to see the stark differences here or simply had no idea.

I highly doubt you would see much if any such social outrage if things were conducted the same way as they were under Obama. It's not about deportations. It's about the methods and tactics involved.

I'll explain it to you again, since you insist on clinging to a false narrative...

Weird!!

Over the last 24 hours...






And now this (sooo predictable)...

Two things you need to read.... The constitution and The Bible......

One is the Blueprint for a Country and they other is a Blueprint for Life... I'll let you figure it out from there.

And I thought Portland was bad.......

Memphis posted a tweet about how Obama oversaw an ICE department that totaled 50-some deaths and nobody cared as some sort of gotcha. Your response was about how the contrast (to today) is stunning. And my response to you was that (as an independent) I don't see much of a difference. Narratives are constructed and then facts are twisted and/or created to fit them.

Per the article I posted, the TOTAL of his 2 terms was 50-some deaths. The death total from 2025 alone was 30-some. THAT contrast is stunning, for sure (7-8/year vs 30-some in one year). Also, AI wasn't able to find any American citizen deaths at the hands of an ICE agent prior to 2025, but that could be due to me not handholding AI enough or ICE's poor record-keeping (which is a thing that's been going on for a while). So that contrast is also a bit striking.

But you presumably weren't talking about the numbers. You were talking about the response... and while I'll never argue with you that liberals (arguably more than conservatives) can be very picky-choosy and hypocritical with their outrage, not being able to see the actual contrast that you yourself commented on is... funny (not funny like haha). And that's what I was commenting on. People who can't see past the narrative they're being fed is nothing new.

... and why we weren't talking about Obama deporting people could've just been because their wasn't enough air time left after talking about his birth certificate.

And neither book condones people breaking laws of a sovereign nation. They are here illegally they must go!!!

Joey absolutely nailed it. Saw it live and applauded out loud. Everybody should watch this.

Another Darwin Award winner.

Strange that this isn't happening in other states. Why is this a problem in Minnesota?

1. Why aren't the elected leaders of Minnesota assisting ICE? If they are in any way obstructing ICE then they need to be brought up on charges and indicted immediately. All the way from the governor, the mayor, right down the whole line at once. Arrest them same day.

2. What gives anybody the right to obstruct federal law enforcement? Why would they think that is okay?

3. I watched people trash this hotel with ZERO local police presence? WTF! Why is the Minnesota government refusing to help its citizens and property owners? Not from ICE but from some random rioters. If I were those hotel owners I'd sue the police, the state, and the government of Minnesota for everything they've got. Frankly I'm surprised more people haven't been shot.

4. If the local police aren't going to defend the city citizens\property and the local officials lack the balls, then I'd send in the military.

Such a moronic comparison. You know that if they were the Gestapo there'd be none of them left. They would all be dead.

The problem is ICE agents aren't trained in policing the public. That is expected of local law enforcement. Now ICE has to try to preform two distinctly different missions.

We aren't seeing anywhere near this mess in areas where local officials aren't working against ICE.

did they ever ask to work with locals or did they just barge in, in mass to piss Walz off. Because somehow immigration enforcement is tied to fraud.

Does any of that relieve ICE from reponsibility for committing MURDER?

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