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I agree with what you're saying. I think KS is a good coach but I don't think he was tough enough and held anyone accountable. If what I've been reading is true I doubt JS will be coming back but him paired with Monken might be just what this team needs.
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I don't get where you think the FO is dysfunctional.
Hiring Monken meant he was the better option over the OC Schwartz wanted to hire.
Cleveland's defense is good enough to attract a good DC. If you want experience, Chuck Pagano, Sean McDermott, or Wink Martindale. If you want someone from the college ranks, Glenn Schumann from University of Georgia.
The offense was what was holding up attracting the best coaching candidates. Hiring Monken makes a lot of sense.
I am hoping Monken, Berry, and Haslam can talk Schwartz into staying, but if not, it's not like that cannot find a good DC.
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I said from the beginning of "the process."
They are going to hire an offensive guy. That is understandable and the right thing to do with this team at this time.
The future now is about developing an offense and a quarterback.
The problem I have is their process.
IMO they mislead Schwartz. They didn't need to do that. They should have told him upfront.
I don't think they ever intended to hire him as head coach. They tried to pacify Myles and the defensive players.
Monken may prove to be the right hire. We will find out.
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Good for the Rams, and us too!!
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What now?
Dealing with the Sanders Saga…
A real meat grinder…
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How was losing Ventrone good for us?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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If Ravens hadn't canned Harbaugh and Monken was still their OC, I think sentiment on this hire would have been higher. As is, feels like we got served yesterday's leftovers.
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How was losing Ventrone good for us? I’m not sure if we’re looking for an indictment of Bubbas coaching or the inability of Berry to fill out a solid bottom end of roster or both…
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I’m not sure if we’re looking for an indictment of Bubbas coaching or the inability of Berry to fill out a solid bottom end of roster or both… For me, special teams is like the bullpen in baseball. When you expect them to be good, their not. When you expect them to be bad, they surprise you. In other words, it can change in a blink of an eye for reasons unknown.
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In general our special teams were not very good.
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He was so bad one of the best teams in the NFL snagged him up.
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How was losing Ventrone good for us? His special teams were the main culprit in two losses by the Browns last season. Bad special teams play factored into other losses but not the main culprit. Game 1 vs Bengals - Lost by 1. Missed extra point and missed inside 40 yard field goal. Jets game Browns outgained the Jets by 109 yards lost by 7 and gave up 1 punt return for TD and 1 kick return for TD. There were numerous other gaffs that were inexcusable for an NFL team.
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I’m not sure if we’re looking for an indictment of Bubbas coaching or the inability of Berry to fill out a solid bottom end of roster or both… For me, special teams is like the bullpen in baseball. When you expect them to be good, their not. When you expect them to be bad, they surprise you. In other words, it can change in a blink of an eye for reasons unknown. Maybe I just don't know baseball, but I always considered special teams coaching issues to be the easiest to spot. There are maybe a handful of teams that have a true ST "ace". Other than that, it's full of guys that are 1-2 bad plays from being cut and generally (at least in the case of kick/punt units) are filled with guys that don't see the field much except for those situations. These are depth players from offensive and defensive units and as such you're not going to see significant differences in raw talent from team to team.
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