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I agree with what you're saying. I think KS is a good coach but I don't think he was tough enough and held anyone accountable. If what I've been reading is true I doubt JS will be coming back but him paired with Monken might be just what this team needs.

I don't get where you think the FO is dysfunctional.

Hiring Monken meant he was the better option over the OC Schwartz wanted to hire.

Cleveland's defense is good enough to attract a good DC. If you want experience, Chuck Pagano, Sean McDermott, or Wink Martindale. If you want someone from the college ranks, Glenn Schumann from University of Georgia.

The offense was what was holding up attracting the best coaching candidates. Hiring Monken makes a lot of sense.

I am hoping Monken, Berry, and Haslam can talk Schwartz into staying, but if not, it's not like that cannot find a good DC.

j/c...

Good for the Rams, and us too!!

What now?

Dealing with the Sanders Saga…

A real meat grinder…

How was losing Ventrone good for us?

If Ravens hadn't canned Harbaugh and Monken was still their OC, I think sentiment on this hire would have been higher. As is, feels like we got served yesterday's leftovers.

I’m not sure if we’re looking for an indictment of Bubbas coaching or the inability of Berry to fill out a solid bottom end of roster or both…

For me, special teams is like the bullpen in baseball. When you expect them to be good, their not. When you expect them to be bad, they surprise you. In other words, it can change in a blink of an eye for reasons unknown.

In general our special teams were not very good.

He was so bad one of the best teams in the NFL snagged him up.

His special teams were the main culprit in two losses by the Browns last season. Bad special teams play factored into other losses but not the main culprit.

Game 1 vs Bengals - Lost by 1. Missed extra point and missed inside 40 yard field goal.

Jets game Browns outgained the Jets by 109 yards lost by 7 and gave up 1 punt return for TD and 1 kick return for TD.

There were numerous other gaffs that were inexcusable for an NFL team.

Maybe I just don't know baseball, but I always considered special teams coaching issues to be the easiest to spot. There are maybe a handful of teams that have a true ST "ace". Other than that, it's full of guys that are 1-2 bad plays from being cut and generally (at least in the case of kick/punt units) are filled with guys that don't see the field much except for those situations. These are depth players from offensive and defensive units and as such you're not going to see significant differences in raw talent from team to team.

That’s putting it mildly. We could not cover a punt or kickoff if our lives depended on it.

So long bubba , won’t miss ya

Dude must have some awesome interview skills.

Source: https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/special-teams

Browns 2025
Punt Ret Avg Yds Allowed 12.7 yds (Rank: 26th)
Punt Ret TD Allowed 2 (Rank: T 30th)
Blocked Punts Allowed 2 (Rank: T 29th)
KO Ret Avg Yds Allowed 27.8 yds (Rank: 28th)
KO Ret TD Allowed 1 (Rank T 26th)

Punt Ret Avg Yds 7.2 Yds (Rank: 26th)
Punt Returns Fumbled 5 (Rank: 32nd)
KO Ret Avg Yds 23.7 (Rank: 31st)
KO Ret Longest 34 yds (Rank: 32nd)

Draw your own conclusions

Well I gotta get this one out of my system.

Worst choice of all the people we interviewed IMO. Hate this choice for a few reasons.



That being said. Welcome (back) to Cleveland Monkman Please prove me wrong and make me eat crow.

"These are depth players from offensive and defensive units and as such you're not going to see significant differences in raw talent from team to team."

I liked the bullpen analogy - and kind of agree that's how I feel about the Browns special teams... surprise you when you don't expect it but for the most part failed to do their job.... I also agree with the rare exception, ST are made of of bit players. So coaching matters very much ... and you just have to look at the stats posted to see where the Browns were. I said during the season he ST coach should have been fired around week 10 or 11. Glad he's gone - the fact the Rams took him doesn't change a thing.

Is that why the Rams nabbed him up so quick? I hope you understand it's becoming increasingly clear that just like many of us, NFL teams understand that the issue wasn't with our coaches. The problem was the roster.

The Rams are one of the best teams in the NFL. They seem to understand what some Browns fans don't.

#WristUp SZN

Any video of Minken meeting Myles or Denzel Ward? Or Q, or Carson, or Fannin JR, or Graham? You know, players that actually performed anywhere from good to awesome.

If the issue was with the roster,why does Berry still have a job?
just kidding.In fact Bubba brought up that very same issue some time back.Roster construction is not one of Berry's strong suits.He is a handsome man who does very well in a press briefing.

The Rams fired their special teams coach in late November and lost in the NFC Championship game due to a special team's blunder. In that department they were no better than the Browns.

Berry to bring his buddy back? Letting Darnold walk and drafting JJ McCarthy. Oof.

Its feels like really stupid timing to make a move like this.

It’s nice to see another organization do something stupid!! 😂