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So you really don't care, it's just that you hate her and will chime in on anything negative about her, even if it doesn't matter and you don't care. Does that pretty much sum it up?

That is my point. However, Jules point is perfectly valid as well, we will never know the truth and will only be able to act on our own assumptions... it is also true that most people have a propensity for ignoring or explaining away things if they like their politics and painting them as worse if they don't... Hillary could be mother Theresa in her personal life and I still wouldn't vote for her...

Trust me - I have never ever come close to even insinuating that I was impartial when it came to my feelings about hillary.

I've said it many times, and will say it many more: I can't stand her and, I'll add, I can't stand what she stands for. She's a fake, phony, b.s.'ing piece of "what can I get out of it?" crap. She's almost as 2 faced as her husband.

Wow, you are totally missing my point. Oh well, carry on.

not an attempt.....youre way in left field mang....get defensive much?

and before you respond, go back and reread.

Arch...in a matter of weeks you'll be finished with the Hillary Clinton bandwagon/sideshow. You won't have to see her cheerful voice and sincerely smiling face. Hell has frozen over and HILLARY HAS BEEN BEATEN BY A MAN NAMED OBAMA.

It is for the best however.... I had heard that all this travel and campaigning...
WAS BEGINNING TO PUT A STRESS ON THE CLINTON'S MARRIAGE!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Anyone watching the Ohio debate?

Obama is kicking ass, IMO.

He's doing well. Studdering some, but it beats blurting but stupid thoughts like other people we know.

The knock out punch was during the 'ready on day one' section.

Obama completely turned her own words on her and made some good points.


I'd definitely say Obama dominated this debate

Ditto. He is a total class act. And I could handle that killer smile for 4 years. <3_<3

You mean 8?

He said massatoosets.

ohhhh baby!

But he seriously kept his cool. She is quite catty.

Here's something that really, really concerns me ......

Both candidates have a "health care" program ......

Hillary's would "force" people to pay for it whether they can afford it or not ......

And Obama's would force the country to pay for it whether it can afford to or not.

Also ..... each candidate "believes" in their platform .... and in many cases cites a "lifelong commitment" to working towards the things they now want to accomplish.

If these things were so damn important ... and a lifelong commitment ..... then why the hell haven't they proposed any of them while in the Senate?

What you are seeing is the end of the dreams of a tyrrant. The good officer who played her part well early on then became antsy and shrill to those around her.
Her world is crashing in around her and within one week her fate will be sealed.
What Hillary failed to exercise in the last 8 years is the good sense to allow opposing voices to be heard in her inner circle. She was and is unable to speak extemporarily on many issues since she now recognizes a loser of an argument but she never contemplated the thought that she would be knocked over the head with her positions. Thus the responses come off as her being victimized or her words taken out of context or hateful stares.

What remains is equally fascinating....does she accept the defeat gracefully? Does she reemerge in the Senate as the JUNIOR SENATOR from NY who looks around the Senate chambers and sees allies who jumped ship in the last 3 months? Does she swallow her pride and secretly lobbies for the VP spot?

I cannot imagine a scenario where she resigns herself to being a small fish in a large pond for the rest of her public career.

It will be great to see play out.

Cunningham's warm-up turns McCain cold
BY HOWARD WILKINSON


After holding a successful, enthusiastic campaign rally at Cincinnati’s Memorial Hall Tuesday, the last thing John McCain wanted to do was to walk out in front of the media and apologize for what the warm-up act said.

But that is what an obviously irritated McCain did during the noon hour Tuesday, when he came out and denounced remarks made by WLW talk show host Bill Cunningham, who delivered a 10-minute speech in which he insulted Barack Obama, Hillary and Bill Clinton, and the media in general.

Cunningham’s warm-up act delighted the 500 or so cheering Cincinnati Republicans gathered in the 100-year-old theater, but it infuriated McCain.

"I take responsibility and I repudiate what he said," Sen. McCain told reporters after the rally at Memorial Hall in Over-the-Rhine. “A person came out here before I arrived and made some disparaging remarks about senators Obama and Clinton and I regret that.”

McCain said he did not actually hear Cunningham’s warm-up speech – he was heading upstairs to the stage – but was told of it by aides.

Cunningham was critical of the national news media, saying that sooner or later, the media would begin covering Obama’s "sweetheart deals in Chicago and the illegal loans he got in Chicago.’’

He also called Obama a "hack Chicago-style Daley politician’’ and twice used Obama’s middle name Hussein, referring to him as "Barack Hussein Obama.’’

It might have been shocking to McCain, who has made a point of saying he will run a civil campaign against whichever Democrat wins that party’s nomination. But to the Republicans in attendance – many of them long-time party leaders and elected officials – it was old hat.

Cunningham has been asked by the Hamilton County Republican Party to warm up crowds at countless political fundraisers and rallies.

Everything that McCain had said earlier in his 20-minute speech – about pursuing Osama Bin Laden to “the gates of hell” to his plans to cut corporate tax rates and keep the Bush personal tax cuts in place – was subsumed in the flap over Cunningham’s remarks and McCain’s angry reaction to them.

And it overshadowed, too, McCain’s visit Tuesday afternoon to a West Chester company that makes armored Humvees for the military.

As soon as the Memorial Hall rally was over and the crowd began filing out of the hall, McCain walked over to the section where the local press and the news media contingent that travels with him were working in the back of the hall.

"I will not tolerate anything in this campaign that denigrates either Sen. Obama or Sen. (Hillary) Clinton,’’ McCain said.

Cunningham’s blistering comments were carried by national news media, including CNN. Cunningham said later that he stood by his comments. In his speech at Memorial Hall, he threw his support behind McCain, but later, after McCain repudiated his comment, he told his radio audience on WLW that he had “had it with McCain. I’m going to throw my support to Hillary Rodham Clinton.”

Cunningham, a conservative Republican who also hosts a Sunday night syndicated radio show, said he was asked Monday “by a McCain operative” to introduce the Republican front-runner at Memorial Hall.

He spoke to the crowd and left, without meeting or speaking to the candidate, because he had to do his WLW-AM talk show at 12:30 p.m. McCain also said he had never met Cunningham.

At one point, Cunningham compared Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Madeleine Albright, whom he said "looks like death warmed over."

He also commented on the difference between former Ohio Rep. Rob Portman, whose wife is named Jane, and Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank, an openly gay member of Congress.

"Jane’s the main difference, but that’s a different story," Cunningham said. As Cunningham finished, Portman, who is mentioned as a possible vice presidential candidate, took the microphone to introduce McCain.

"Willie, you’re out of control again. So, what else is new? But we love him," Portman said. "But I’ve got to tell you, Bill Cunningham lending his voice to this campaign is extremely important.”

Speaking to reporters later alongside McCain, Portman said he was backstage and did not hear everything Cunningham said.

“Bill Cunningham is a radio host who is often controversial,” Portman said. "That’s, I guess, how he makes his living."

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters, who spoke at the rally, said Cunningham’s comments were not surprising. “Bill does this kind of thing a lot at Republican events, and we’re used to hearing it.’’

In his speech at the rally, McCain – who has all but wrapped up the GOP nomination – said his Democratic opponents are too quick to give up in Iraq.

McCain predicted that at the Tuesday night debate in Cleveland, Clinton and Obama will “fall over themselves on when they can set a date for withdrawal in Iraq.’’ "I can promise you,’’ McCain said, "I will never, ever surrender to al Qaeda."

Later, at BAE Systems in West Chester, McCain held a meeting that was closed to the public but billed as a “town hall” meeting. McCain inspected armored vehicles and toured production lines at the company, which employs 1,500 people locally and is currently undergoing an expansion.

McCain shook workers’ hands and fielded their questions about the war in Iraq, health care for veterans, education, taxes and the economy.

“I came here to mainly say thank you,” McCain told the workers. “What you are doing I believe is vital to help those brave Americans who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. …You are actively engaged I believe as an integral part in the struggle against radical Islamic extremism.”

Staff writers John Kiesewetter, Sheila McLaughlin and The Associated Press contributed.


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I'm curious.. Did anyone else catch this? She wants to use her past experience as First Lady as "experience" and qualifications, but when it comes to the NAFTA debate she claims to have denounced it and said it was flawed since the beginning, but her beginning was while she was campaigning for U.S. Senate? I just don't know where she was going with that.. Guess i'll continue to watch and see..

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Tux, this has been her MO since the beginning.. I would have most likely taken her seriously had she not once said that her 8 years of experience in the White House makes her uniquely qualified to be President..... From that moment on, Hillary has been a joke in my eyes.. don't really care what else she said.. makes no difference to me.. (and please, if anybody doesn't remember her saying that, then they can do they're own research, I'm not doing it for you)

If she would try to skate that one past us, then what else would she try.. It's the dumbest one liner since her husband said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" and expected us to all buy into it. Then the Blue Dress shows up with his little dead eggeys on it...

I've always argued that, when people tell me she's more experienced than Obama. Being first lady doesn't make you experienced...hell, she wasn't even good at that, cause had she been on her job, maybe Bill would've actually SMOKED that cigar!

She's been in the Senate a good night's sleep longer than Obama. They're both rookies, and she needs to be checked on that!

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It's the dumbest one liner since her husband said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" and expected us to all buy into it.


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I'm pretty sure the president to succeed him had some dumber ones to fill out the space.

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Oh yeah,, W is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, that's for sure..

Funny thing is, I voted for W in his second term because I approved of the way he handled 9.11... I can't imagine how tough that's got to be for a guy who took office only 9 months prior... dang..

I liked the way he handled other stuff also..

BUt here's the deal.. he got elected a second time and went nuts.. He must have thought he had a clear mandate that everyhting he did was OK or something.. but to me, he let me down. Very disappointing.. he'll go down as one of the worst presidents we've ever had..

I'm ashamed that I voted for him...

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The way I see it...

Hillary's biggest asset has been Bill. Right or wrong she has been tied to the previous Clinton administration. Her time in the senate was clearly resume building for this run at the presidency.

Hillary's biggest liablity is Bill. We do not know, and it is perhaps our greatest fear as to what role and impact Bill would have in the white house.

I honestly think if it were not for Bill, right now, she would have a better shot at the presidential nomination.

Obama has demonstrated to be a tough candidate, we all know that he really does not have the resume of a presidential candidate, and while this may be a risk, the circumstances in washington are dictating that a change in direction is needed.

Hillary, because of Bill, would not be as effective of a change agent as Obama. There are just too many skeletons in the closet with Bill that the republicans dispise.