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Depends if you hit the lung... So yeah, it can. I've had it done. For me, it didn't work.... But yeah, done wrong, it can be dangerous. But don't take my word for it.. Google it.

Not player news, but certainly not new-thread-worthy. Insane, nonetheless.

He has the personality of a snapping turtle but that in no way lessens his accomplishments. If he doesn't deserve a first ballot HOF induction nobody does.

why do you have to bad-mouth snappers like that.

Spygate ?

Deflategate ?

Wonder if these will also effect Brady's first ?

This could have gone in the smack shack

Bill was smacked 750,000 between the two

Go smack them young cheeks Bill !! LOL

Wow.

If we hire him back, do we get more 2nd round picks? 😂

j/c:

Falcons to cut $180m Kirk Cousins after a disastrous two seasons but he could stay in Atlanta

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nf...but-he-could-stay-in-atlanta/ar-AA1VmsGr

“I know there’s a perception out there, but we don’t tell Andrew what to do. He brought [the idea of a fully guaranteed contract] to us and said, ‘This is what I think would get it done.’”

This quote from Jimmy Haslam was in an article from March 29, 2022 (Nate Ulrich, Akron Beacon Journal).

According to the Browns owner, the idea of giving the largest guaranteed contract in NFL history to Deshaun Watson was cooked up by Andrew Berry.

“Andrew gets all the credit for not giving up. Keep digging and digging.”

Ulrich wrote that Haslam “insisted it was Berry’s decision to continue the pursuit.”

When asked about the record-setting guaranteed contract, Paul DePodesta said, “I doubt it’ll be a record for very long.”

So far, the only player to receive more guaranteed money has been Josh Allen ($250M).

(h/t @BenAxelrod for digging this up earlier today)

Haslem told him to go get Watson, Berry did his job. Is that what you're trying to prove here?

I know it’s sometimes exhausting to read a whole article but I highlighted the source in case it’s hard for you to fully understand where these quotes come from..


The owner himself has now presented two versions.

A) he doesn’t interfere with his GM and if Berry wanted the trade he supported it.
B) the decision to trade for Watson was an organizational decision.

It doesn’t matter what the truth is because only those involved know what happened and so far only one involved part has spoken.

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I'd give them our #24 and our 2nd rounder, maybe even throw in a 2027 3rd round
Maxx opposite Myles with Shelby & Mason would be sick.

Run defense would go up a ton and offenses would be pooping themselves trying to figure out how to effectively pass block that line.
We would likely never need to blitz and our secondary would be better for it.

True but then what do we do about the OL and WR positions?

We still have the #6 overall, so we could easily target a top OT or WR there - we should have our pick or WR & OT, actually.
WR: Jordan Tyson, Carnell Tate, or Makai Lemon
OT: Mauigoa, Fano, or Proctor
So, we have one of those, guaranteed, at #6

Then we have 3rd round onward. We can definitely get solid OG's and #2 and Slot WR's in that area. Between that and Free Agency we could do well enough.

Money in Free Agency will be a problem. We need to re-work a lot to create space.

Pocic will likely be re-signed, and same with Teller, most likely. Conklin is still under contract, his ability to recover will determine a lot.
Dawand Jones was fantastic as a rookie, but was trash last year.... could he perhaps move inside and be a monster LG to fill Bitonio's spot?
The rest of the guys are just a bunch of guys, but with more time to work together might do better than they did. If nothing else, a number of them earned spots on the depth chart.

Evan Neal from NYG or David Edwards from BUF are young and could be brought in relatively inexpensively. Daniel Faalele also falls into that mold and is currently in BAL so our staff would be really familiar with him and what we're likely to be doing.


At WR, I think that DeAndre Hopkins is a name to watch on a one or two year deal. Reuniting him with Watson may be a plan, plus he's coming from BAL as well, and with that, Tylan Wallace is a potential target as one of those "familiar with the new coach's ways and systems" depth chart guys who will be pretty cheap and can help coach up the WR room. He could probably replace nearly any of our WR's except Jeudy who Hopkins would be an upgrade over, even at his older age. Christian Kirk is also a possible target... long career production, under 30, and should be way more affordable than he would have been a few years ago.


Drafting an OT, signing Hopkins, signing a younger OG from NYG,BUF,BAL
Keeping Jeudy: that gives us Hopkins #1, Jeudy #2 and draft picks plus guys we already have + UDFA
On OLine: drafted OT, signed OG, Pocic, Teller, Conklin, plus drafted guys and existing + UDFA

plus a VERY scary DL that can stop the run..... our biggest concern would be "can the DB's stop the quick-hitters and cover long enough?". Nobody would have time to take deep shots.

Well it sounds like a plausible possibility. We need to explore every possible scenario to make us better.

I like your thinking , but trotting Conklin back out there at RT is sad... I watched him get beat like a drum a whole lot last season.

If he has another year left on his contract we can always use him as a backup albeit an expensive one.

My assumption is that we get our starting LT in the draft (and live through the growing pains), which leaves us with Conklin and Jones as 2 halves of 1 healthy starter-caliber RT.

I thought Pocic's injury pretty much nixed the already-small chance we were going to bring him back. I think we're locked in on Wypler for at least next year. That leaves either Bitonio or Teller... and with them being guards (relatively easy to grab on the cheap in FA as well as already having Zinter) I see a MAX of 1 of those guys coming back.

Hopefully whatever we do for the OL it’ll be an improvement over last season. We really can’t be any worse and without significant improvement it will be another long season.

He tore his right patellar tendon in '21.
He dislocated his left elbow in '21.
He tore his left ACL, MCL, PCL, and meniscus in '23.
He finished '25 with two documented concussions in Wk 6 and Wk 13 and then went on IR.
He had a right elbow injury just before Wk2 that made him miss three games and was week-to-week on the elbow after that.


Dude has been through it and went through it even harder this year. I think that to get an idea of what Conklin still has, wed have to look at the Week 1 Cinci game because that right elbow injury may have affected him greatly after that.
If you can't punch or control the rusher, you're kinda hosed.

I fully expect Bitonio to retire and Teller to be back.
I didn't know about Pocic's injury potentially being an issue (just looked it up, Achilles... yeah, he's not coming back). Welp, Wypler it is.... Linderbaum from BAL is a free agent as well, so that's something to watch for.

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Then we have 3rd round onward. We can definitely get solid OG's and #2 and Slot WR's in that area. Between that and Free Agency we could do well enough.
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I agree round 3 "can" get you a solid player (in your case OG & #2 WR) but using the term "definitely" I am not so sure. We have hit with 3rd in the past with guys like MJ Emerson, Alex Wright, & Fannon. But also, we have missed recently on some 3rd round picks, for instance, Zinter, Ced Tillman (he could still work out, but thus far has been average), Siaki Ika, and David Bell.

All rounds can produce disappointing players, but I prefer to keep higher round picks, unless you also have high cap money to fill other holes. WE have to many holes on OL & at WR. Just my opinion.

Overall, I think your layout was good. However, there are some caveats to what you said regarding the line.

I highly doubt Pocic will be back (I do want to point out you replied with the reason why a few posts up). Conklin is a free agent. He has a dummy year for this upcoming year, but I would be surprised if they try to resign him as he has been so unreliable b/c of injuries. I would rather they take a cheap flier on someone than bring him back. Teller is a FA. There is a chance but, I don't see it as they were platooning him at the end of the year. If they bring back anyone, I can see Jenkins coming back as he is still "young".

They do have the money to bring in two high profile lineman. They could drop 20 mil (each) for Linderbaum and Rasheed Walker. Will they? I don't know. I would love to see Wyler see the opportunity. Though, it is hard to pass up Linderbaum being a (deserved) pro bower and being young. Walker would be an above average LT and still young at 25-26 years old.

Draft one of the top OTs, Walker at LT, the rookie at the other, fighting with Jones for RT. Linderbaum at center (or Wypler). Jenkins at one guard spot with a cheaper FA at the other. You draft a guard in the 2nd (if someone falls) or the proceeding rounds for depth and/or possible starter or future starter.

Since this has turned into an o-line thread, let me ask this question here:

What are people's thoughts on moving D'wand Jones inside to guard?

Not suggesting that
Asking for education

He’s super tall for a guard, which is not ideal. You want your guards to be squat, lower center of gravity, to dig in, punch out and not get knocked backwards, to get leverage under the DLinemen and hold ground, like a plug. Which is pretty different than the tackle skill set, where lateral movement and wide wingspan and movement in space matter much more, to act more like a net. I mean, in a pinch he could probably do it but inside DL would be getting under him and knocking him off balance, which might be pretty easy for them since guards more or less need to stand in one spot and his center of gravity is relatively high. Plus, you want your interior OL to be on the shorter side so the QB has a good view of the middle of the field.

I understand what you are saying and wouldn't disagree

But to the contrary, many people are suggesting the malugoia, and proctor, and dunker may be better at OG than OT in the NFL

Yea, I don’t know. I’m just spouting the common knowledge of course. I’ve always thought you don’t want guards over about 6’-4” or so. I don’t know how tall all those guys are (too lazy to check) or if actual nfl scouts are considering them for guard or if it’s just pundits. Usually when I hear that they’re more suited for guard it tells me either they’re shorter/ lower center of gravity (wrestlers build, ie, shorter legs, longer torso), narrower wing span OR they don’t have lateral speed/ quick feet. If they’re big, maybe they’re slow?

I'll add that D Jones is a poor run blocker...it's why he won't be a starting RT either. He's a swing, backup tackle or out of the league.

Mauigoa is 6'6 335#
They say he might be moved to guard because his arms are short

Proctor is 6'7 366#
I am not sure but I think the move to guard would be because he is too slow/has heavy feet