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Actually the Pats turned it around in one year. During the regular season they went 4-13 in 2023, 4-13 in 2024 and went 14-3 in 2025.

This being the only post that references QB in the title means I keep putting QB stuff in this one. How psyched is Vegas to have the #1 pick right now? Mendoza looks every bit the part. If I were them, there'd be almost no price high enough.

Just a thought. Is Carson Beck or Drew Allar QB’s we should consider in the 3-4 round if they are available or should we just go with what we have ?

Carson Beck is going to make some NFL team a good QB. Nobody knows what the Browns will do with the QB position until they first name a coach and decide what direction they will go. Do they trade for a Matt Jones or try to sign Maliek Willis? Will they be able to swing a trade to acquire a 1st for the 2027 draft and hedge all bets for a new QB then? Does the new coach want to see if Sanders can develop into a starting QB? Does Watson have anything left in the tank? The easiest prediction is season starts with Sanders and Watson is your veteran backup. He did work well with Sanders last year by all accounts. I think if that is the case they will draft a developmental guy mid rounds in this year's draft. I am not sure who really liked Allar, but reports were last year that the Browns liked Drew Allar. Was that Berry or Stefanski? If Berry, he may be targeted again in this draft. I think the only obvious thing is Gabriel more than likely will be gone or reduce to practice squad.

I wouldn't be surprised if, as part of these conversations with these young OCs, the Browns ask what is the viability of bringing Watson back to his old form. There have been reclamation projects in the NFL these past few years-- Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, Mac Jones, Trevor Lawrence, hell even Baker Mayfield to a degree. I wouldn't be surprised if they probe on this if nothing more but to see how the candidates respond.

A very plausible scenario. We have no less than 5 options at the QB position. It will be interesting to see what avenue we take.

Beck - no thanks. There's a reason he has been in college for the last 6 years - he sucks, quite frankly.

Allar - thought he was the real but his last 2 years were meh.

Actually his stats and play looked pretty good last year. But this year he hasn't lived up to the hype.

Last year he threw for a 66.5% completion rate, 3327 yards with 24 td's and 8 int's.

He only played 6 games this season so it's a small sample size but he still threw for 64.8% with 8 td's and 3 int's .

I'm not advocating the Browns draft him. I'm just showing your portrayal is not accurate.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/drew-allar-1.html

Check his numbers against quality competition in 2024 (ie. Notre Dame, OSU, Oregon, and USC). Same in 2025 (ie. Oregon).

His best year was 2023. Since 2023 and against quality competition he has been average at best, in my opinion.

And I admit I didn't have a strong read on Drake Maye. He seemed like a guy that could break either way after last season and most of those guys don't take the good break. But damn, did he turn it on. He was in place though.

But... they added a ton of key role players; WR's Steffon Diggs and Hollins, DT Milt Williams, Carlton Davis, robert Spillane, OT Morton Moses. And Josh Dobbs who's like a second QB coach. They also got two OL starter in the draft who look very solid as well as Treyvon Henderson. That is quite the one year haul. I'm not saying we couldn't do it. We may actually have more talent than they did before that haul, but they nailed the off season. Most importantly, they had the QB in place, who picked the perfect moment to bloom.

I think the same. I only saw him play against the toughest games in 2024 and I saw he was promoted a potential first round pick, at least in September. I thought how can that be? I then looked up his stats and saw his big yardage and TD #s. So I researched his game by game and his numbers in 2024 came against bad or average teams. I read that in 2024 his completion % against the 4 toughest opponents was 48%.

Drake Maye had a very underwhelming college career especially Senior year, but he turned out fine.

I think it may simply boil down to what we think "meh" means. While I don't think he was by any means close to a top rated QB, I thought he played well above average overall. I think that's pretty obvious. So to me that raises the bar to well above "meh". I get it if you disagree.

They also had the benefit of playing dang-near nobody this year. Their regular season schedule perfectly lined up (especially down the stretch) playing teams while they were dinged up/slumping. I think they are the biggest example of fool's gold and I predict a Houston-esque turd when they play a quality team. They were only able to put up 16 vs the Chargers (a good D) but luckily they were able to tee off on Herbert whose line is in shambles, and were gifted the next game ala Stroud. IMO, their only marquee wins would be sweeping Buffalo (who was beat up on D for the second game, but still a tough one).

I also expect a significant regression next year.

I'm just curious, do you think that explains going from 3-14 to 14-3 in its totality? Are you saying they didn't make great strides from 2023 and 2024 to 2025?

No, I'm not saying that (that's why I included the 'also').

I just look at their schedule and who they played, and for as much gushing talking heads do over this team I just don't see all that many statement wins. They did beat Buffalo twice... and kudos to them for taking care of their division.

The Pats split with Buffalo with each team winning on the other’s field

Whatever we decide I hope we stay away from Tua and Murray. One is fragile and can't play in the cold the other is lazy and is too small IMO. If we draft a QB in a later round I would try and trade Dillon. I feel he is too short to be a starter. It may not be popular, but I would see if DW has something left and can help us. Maybe our new coaches can get some decent play out of him. Also, continue to develop SS and see if there's a chance he can be our starter. Have a QB competition in TC.

I don't think we are in store for a major overhaul of the QB room. I do believe Monken/Berry will try to move Gabriel for a 5th-6th round draft pick, which could be plausible.

I could also see them taking a flyer on a late round draft pick to fill that 3rd spot, don't be shocked if they look at Cole Payton with that 6th or 7th round pick. They will get an idea of whether he will be going earlier than that. He is definitely a developmental guy, but a poor man's Lamar Jackson. Let's get something straight, there is only one player that we have seen at this time that can do what Lamar Jackson has done consistently. So, anyone needs to tamper expectations when it comes to adjusting any kind of offense to that type of player. Payton has shown a propensity to be able to move around and deliver the ball efficiently, but also throws it away a lot when there isn't an escape run route. He has also only done it at a lower level of competition.

You are going to see a lot of connections to Trinidad Chambliss also, but at the end of the day, I think he will go in the 4th round and Berry won't be willing to use that draft stock for a player that only started 1 year in D1 play.

Neither of these players excite me, but there isn't a QB in this draft class that excites me, so I am probably not the one to ask.

Tua is damaged goods and needs to retire.

Kyler Murray doesn't have the size for Monken, I don't think.

I can't stand Desaun Watson, I am with some of the fans on these boards that would rather pay his extravagant contract than see him play another down, but we all need to get used to the idea that he is the most likely starter going into 2026. Shedeur fans aren't going to like that, but when healthy, Watson is a superior QB with more experience.

Overall, I don't think we're in a position to turn up our noses at anyone.

That said, I thought I read that Monken likes dual-threat QBs.


This off-season is going to be a rebuilding one in terms of having lots of rookies on the O and continuing to work through our dead cap situation. If a guy with any sort of potential of developing into a reliable starter is out there for cheap, then I have no problem getting him in here.

Well, the Seahawks just once again proved that you can win it all with a smothering defense and an adequate QB. The 85 Bears, the '00 Ravens, the '02 Bucs, the '15 Broncos (with an old & broken Manning), etc.... the formula is solid. No formula is bullet-proof, but that one definitely works. Yeah, it's probably a better plan to hit on a Brady-Belichick combo and ride that, but, good luck with that.

We already have a really good defense that could end up a whole lot better with some additions (Maxx!). We simply need "Good Enough" at QB, and for that, I'm in agreement that Carr or that Malik Willis guy would fit the bill, and perhaps even Watson of Monken can revive his career, but the last time DW did anything worthy, the world was in the midst of a pandemic, so it's been a hot minute for him, but we have him and as bad as he has been for us, he's better than the two other kids on the roster.

Fix the OLine by turning it into one that doesn't get pushed around and can run block, then get the QB some legitimate targets to throw to instead of the scrap heap WR room we have now.

A "Good Enough" offense with a soul-eating defense is all we need.

I think anyone looking at Darnold's production and play over the past two seasons would have to admit his level of play has been well above an "adequate QB".

But it certainly shows that defense can still win championships.

I don't think we are going to be able to "fix" the Oline in one off-season. We are going to have rookie(s) as starters at some positions and unknowns at others.

Campbell is going to be a good LT, and he got straight bullied in the SB. I felt bad for him.

Spencer Rattler should be available too.