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Everyone has a birth certificate. They may not have one in the home but they can easily be obtained from the health dept. from the county of your birth for a few bucks. If naturalized, that info can be obtained.

You guys act like this is hard to do. Being a citizen carries some responsibility. If you don't have your chit, go get it.

Do you know how many times all of that has been challenged? Yet, we keep hearing the same things and NO PROOF!

Check with the Heritage Foundation, a Right Wing org. on how much voter fraud exists. Here's a hint, you won't like it.

Check with Brookings... They'll tell you the same story..... You won't like it.

There are valid sources out there that disprove all your assertions including court cases.

All you got is Trumps word,,,,, and we all know what that's worth.

So let me see if I have this right. So now you're saying people should have a photo ID AND their birth certificate to vote? Based on what criteria? Should you and I have to show both a photo ID and a birth certificate to vote or is a photo ID alone enough?

Above you skipped actually holding a discussion on this topic so I'll ask you again, what do you think about this?


Anything? Anything at all?

To be fair, 2/3 of his assertions are at least debatable (the DNC primaries he mentions).

I think that would heavily depend on what your definition of "stole" is. It certainly wouldn't fit the definition of the word.

Ex-Turning Point exec who challenged ballot integrity is sentenced for election fraud

Austin Smith, once an Arizona state representative and deputy to Charlie Kirk, was barred from running for office for five years for submitting fake signatures for his own re-election bid.

Contrary to claims you may have heard out of the MAGA movement, the face of election fraudulence is not a person of color or a perceived enemy of Donald Trump, but instead a preppy white man from one of the most well-heeled political organizations in the country.

Austin Smith, who served in the Arizona House while also working for far-right activist group Turning Point USA’s nonprofit branch, Turning Point Action, pleaded guilty in November to attempted fraudulent schemes and practices and to illegal signing of election petitions. As I explained at the time, Smith’s plea to election-related fraud charges was particularly rich when you consider that Turning Point Action has played a major role in lobbing false allegations of election-rigging at Democrats.

Smith was sentenced Tuesday morning, getting probation, a fine and a ban on running for office for the next five years.

He is a living embodiment of a frequent refrain directed toward MAGA loyalists in the Trump era: that every accusation is a confession. And his case will be essential for Americans to keep in mind as Donald Trump and his allies attempt to frame liberals as election cheaters.

Turning Point said Tuesday that Smith resigned more than a year ago. Still, here we have prime evidence that the face of election fraud is not a Black election worker, or an unauthorized immigrant voter, but instead a white man and former lawmaker tied to one of the most prominent right-wing operations in the nation.

https://www.ms.now/opinion/ex-turni...ntegrity-is-sentenced-for-election-fraud

I wonder if he has a photo I.D.?

Missed this comment.

I agree that the Democratic Party interfered and prevented Bernie from being the nominee. I've stated that elsewhere.

But when the conversation is about election fraud regarding the voting public - it is disingenuous to bring that to the table as a means to try to validate and present as reasonable a case to Nationalize state voting. The two issues are not in any way the same. Add to that - regarding voter fraud and security - it is observable fact that in cases proven in court [1] All the claims about the 2020 election have been dismissed and some claiming that it was a stolen election have faced MASSIVE fines [2] in individual cases around the country - it is proven that Republicans attempted/have been convicted at least as much, in reality more often, than Dem voters. . . And case in point - another Rep in Pit's post above sentenced.

If the conversation is about National Voter integrity - we need to stick to issues concerning the public voting. Not closed institutional voting. The issue with one have nothing to do with the other.

On the subject of National Voting integrity and fraud - and the inaccurate claims that the MAGA fanboys spew - Norhtlima posted the most relevant and factual information in his post above. His link is worth posting again and reading if you did not see it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/05/...J1A.hI0k.nkvkWMjlfUft&smid=url-share

No. In order to get your real ID, you need to prove where you were born. A one and done deal. I am not sure if you have to show that again if you move to another state.

How do you know a person is a citizen if they don't show ID? You don't, so give it up.

You can not vote if you are not a citizen. Non citizen voting is not a problem. It is made up by trump, so give it up.

Only one problem. In state after state it has been proven that there is no such thing as wide spread voter fraud. In court case after court case such cases have been dismissed or found to be false. You're trying to find a cure for a disease that does not exist.

No one but Democrats actually believe that. The problem is illegals have voted in elections, and no one wants illegals voting in our elections. Saying that illegals voting is lawful is not right in any sense of the word.

Cool. Then let's sign an oath of prevention. That way we don't have to worry about any cures.

I don't think trumpians believe it. They don't believe the courts rulings. They don't believe juries. They don't believe in the results of the justice system anymore. Even when voter fraud cases across this country has proven to be false in case after case.

Because trump told them they aren't supposed to. It's actually quite sad.

Sure. Let's cure a disease that doesn't exist.

You've been doing a great job of catching on lately - kudos.

Understanding stupidity isn't the same thing as catching on.

Here, while you're stuck on stupid, check out the Map of Idiocy...

Stupid is still trying to pretend there is a problem which court case after court case has proven does not exist because "Look, I got a map!".

ID Is fine. Proof of citizenship at polls is for trumps ulterior motives. Proof of citizenship is not needed at polls.

Proof of citizen has never even been proposed at polls. You're watching the wrong channel.

There is a problem. Trying to prove it to someone requiring a proctologist to perform sign language is a fool's errand.

And then, for the 39th time, preventing the very problem from existing is better than ever needing a cure.

We do have to show ID in Ohio.. I don't remember a time when you didn't. We can use our Drivers License.. They match that up with search of a Database right there on the spot. Between the two, they know you have a right to vote.

Yup, you have to show where you were born and where you currently reside to get a REAL ID... You do that by showing a current utility or credit card statement.


As an aside, the Bottom line, nobody has found any REAL voter fraud that would have changed any election.. (some say they have but have yet to show any REAL proof)

Its Trump trying his best to make up an emergency to he can exercise powers to take over the elections.

There is no emergency... Just in Trumps head.. and he knows he lost.. But without a win in the mid terms, his presidency is essentially over.

If dems take over the House and the Senate, He'll be lame duck at the very least and removed at the very most.


With Trump, it's always a conspiracy... Always against his interests.. He's been like this over many many things his entire life.

This is all about a Guy who is scared to lose

Trying to deny any sort of wide spread voter fraud after losing so many court cases and in places like Atlanta where the verified the authenticity of those who voted is what people need a proctologist for. Because it appears they must have something blocking their posterior cavity that's blocking signals to their brain.