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Normally you build around your best players not trade them away unless you are undergoing a rebuild. But sometimes you get characters that think they're the smartest guys in the room and things go sideways.

I believe that we’re keeping Myles and also believe we should.

As a new coach I would not like my first year without my teams best player.

We aren't trading Myles. This is what Berry does with long term contracts. They write it one way, it makes the player the highest paid at his position, but now they changed the wording so that Myles gets more money up front, yet the salary cap is lightened these first (3) years. Once the salary cap rises over the next three seasons, they can extend him, take a hit in the 4th year, as well as backloading again on the next deal.

Everyone that screams about how terrible Haslem is.. Haslem is the reason Berry can do this. Every time they make one of these contract restructures, cash has to go into escrow to cover it. The team spends the same amount, the player in many cases gets their money earlier, but the cap is spread out and sometimes reduced. You have to have a lot of free cash as an owner to be able to do this. It's why there aren't 31 other teams doing it exactly the same way.

we would need 5 first round picks

If there is any constant with this team, it is that Browns fans will always talk about trading away their most valuable player(s).

The issue with Haslam has never been questioning him spending the money to build a winning franchise. He has certainly been willing to do that. It's been a question about who he has put in charge of spending it.

I agree. I do not think the move on his contract was done to make his contract more friendly to trade. With that said the speculation comes from moving a bonus that was due to hit the books before the draft until before the start of the regular season. I also think if a team offered a possible massive franchise changing type deal the Browns would make that trade. I just don't know what team would make that deal for 30-year-old. I guess it is possible but unlikely.

This feels like it is being restructured in a way Berry has never executed before, but I could be wrong. It could very well be a new way to create financial flexibility, and if so, well done finding another way to do so.

My understanding is that a MG trade is essentially impossible because of a massive dead cap acceleration. The FO is currently working our cap situation to go in the opposite direction, and we are already managing Watsons dead cap. I just don't see the appetite to make an already tough situation tougher.

I asked GoogleAI, and it said that if he were traded prior to June1, his dead cap hit is $41m and hits immediately. If he were traded post June 1, then that same $41m would be spread over 2026 and 2027 (~$15m in 2026 and ~$25m in 2027).

Assuming those numbers/structure is at least mostly accurate, I find it very hard to imagine a trade being done. We have been working to get under the cap while simultaneously working to plug gaping holes in the roster. Most importantly, I don't see the FO wanting to make any sort of indication that we are kicking off a rebuild. If anything, I think we are praying for a miracle that gets our O competitive enough to allow our defense to get to us the playoffs and win within the next few years before our defense will require significant investment again.

"My understanding is that a MG trade is essentially impossible because of a massive dead cap acceleration." - Oobernoober


That is correct, the media keeps framing this that it is now FEASIBLE for the Browns to trade Myles because the team trading for him wouldn't have such a massive cap hit... they keep leaving out the cap hit Cleveland would have to take if they move him. Even if they waited until after June 1st, the hits in 2027 and 2028 would be massive. The same will be true for Watson, same time frame.

My thoughts, crazy as they may be, is that you use the draft to try to find great players. Odds are not great that the players you would draft with picks that aren't top 5-10, will not be HOF caliber. Right now we have one.

It doesn't make sense to me unless, on top of 3 1st round picks, you get at least 2 solid, very solid starters. Keep your best player, who is a generational talent, and build around the team.

Just my 2 cents, 7.5 cents adjusted for inflation.

I am anti-trade when it comes to Garrett, however, there is a price for anyone. You can’t have a veteran trade for picks discussion without talking about Herschel Walker. He was untouchable, until he wasn’t.

The question isn’t can/should they trade a future HOF Myles Garrett. He’s already enshrined in the Browns ring of fire and a first ballot HOF. The question is, what is the breaking point of one player vs team building? Again, love Garrett, but he is living proof a single player doesn’t get you a trophy.

What is that number? 1 starter and (3) first rounders? (4) first rounders? Hell, at his age, the final picks of the trade will just be starting around Myles start of his decline due to age. We have Garrett for 2 more prime years, then it’s all about how long the body holds out to keep him better than average. Do we have a shot in the next two years without a QB? This is where my inner conundrum starts to take over.

I don't know. Having a contract in hand gives potential teams an idea of cost.

As for trading Myles, I am inclined to at least listen. We are in a position to draft an edge if you want at #6. Myles would bring at least 3 picks. Maybe not all 3 this year, but that could go a long way to fixing many of our holes.

If you take the emotion out of the thought process, it makes a lot of sense.

I agree. The way I look at it - With Myles, we aren't winning in 2026/27. We probably aren't a contender in 2027/28. I would absolutely look at what potential trade partners would offer. A first this year and next and a second rounder for next year would probably seriously tempt me. 2027 draft class looks very strong. A trade back from #6 to anywhere from 11-20 and an extra 1st next year would give us three 1st round picks in 2027. Obviously you have to then make good selections - but that gives a rebuilding team the surest opportunity/highest odds of turning the team around.

I understand the rationale of not trading your best player away - but the Browns, like it or not, are 100% in rebuild mode. That changes the decision making.

All this while the Browns are proposing the draft capital change when making trades. I'm not saying you are trading him in 2026, but it does feel like it leaves options open beyond that, maybe.

It could get interesting if the season does not go as planned at the trade deadline!!! I think with the division being as wide open as it has been in quite some time the Browns feel with an improved Oline and some new weapons the offense can show decent improvement this team can contend in the AFC North. If they don't get assets for 2027 draft may be top priority. That draft is supposed to be loaded at QB, WR, and DE. All premium positions.

Not sure if this is updated Spotrac numbers but:


PRE-6/1 TRADE
2026 Dead Cap: $40,290,225
2026 Savings: $-16,816,225



POST-6/1 TRADE
2026 Dead Cap: $44,534,000
2027 Dead Cap: $24,956,225
2026 Savings: $-21,060,000


That's not impossible. Unlikely, but not impossible. I wonder what a restructure would do to adjust that dead cap even more?

Just to be clear- I'm not advocating for a trade, but sharing information.

For 2027:

PRE-6/1 TRADE
2027 Dead Cap: $24,956,225
2027 Savings: $2,841,550

POST 6/1 TRADE
2027 Dead Cap: $11,741,000
2028 Dead Cap: $13,215,225
2027 Savings: $16,056,775


For more palatable than 2026.

OK, it seems like some in here are at least open to a trade option. Would this work for anyone?

49ers get Myles Garrett, 2026 5th #148 and 2028 3rd

Browns would get Mykel Williams (2025 first round pick that had his ACL tear last season, not sure when he will be available in 2026, but he would be a future replacement for Myles albeit at a lower level), #27 in 2026, 2027 first and 2029 or 2030 first if the new rule gets amended.

Why it works for the 49ers. They are in Super Bowl mode right now. They are trying to get past the Seahawks and Rams. Garrett could be that player to do that.

Why it works for the Browns. Like it or not, the moves made so far will not take the offense into the top ten realm. Unless Sanders becomes something we haven't seen to day, they will never get to that top ten realm..

Reality, the higher the Browns are in the 2027 draft, the better positioned they are to draft their QB. ONE of the picks needs to be in the top ten to even have a chance. Even though I and everyone in Berea would prefer Sanders be an anomaly and be that starter we all hope for... it is much more likely we need to draft someone in 2027. Myles Garrett actually hurts those chances more than he helps them. Having a Mykel Williams waiting in the wings for the 2027 season would improve the chances of not only getting the QB in 2027, but closing the gap faster once he is in place.

I see both arguments for trading Myles and not trading him but personally I would hate to trade our best player and weaken what is a strength of our team the D.

If we were to trade Myles, I would NOT want a player in return... especially a player that plays his position. I don't see the point... that Dline is largely built and predicated on having Myles on the one side. Plugging in a less-dominant player thinking the defense overall (much less the front) is only going to make a nominal step back is fooling yourself. I don't like the idea of trading away the cornerstone of your unit and not getting max rebuild value in return.

We are either going to try to bring up the offense as quickly as possible to try to take advantage of the window our defense is in, or we're hitting the reset button.

Trading Myles is hitting the reset button. Hard. I would expect/hope a DWard trade to follow shortly after moving Garrett.

Me too!