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I certainly agree with you that there have been quite a few mishaps but I suppose it's possible I don't see that as unusual as you might. I think that's just a symptom of war as it always has been. I know people probably expected me to jump on the "trash trump train" as it pertains to this but war has always been messy and filled with mishaps.

At least speaking for myself that's why I'm always so skeptical of war and only feel it should be used as a last resort. I don't feel that's the case here.

I feel as though Ukraine set the bar on this.

I don't think the military has under performed. It's bombed the crap out of its targets, sunk the navy.

What it can't do is fight a guerilla war without boots on the ground. Iran is vast. They are hunkered down and obviously prepared to fight this sort of war. And they've clearly also thought about strategy, the impact to the US and Israel of hitting the Strait of Hormuz and also hitting it's neighbours.

I think this paragraph by Pit probably sums it up... And it's not a failure of the military because I'd bet my house that many many many individuals warned about what has happened, but Hegseth and Trump in their ego-mania wouldn't listen. Drunk on the previous Iran strike and their military action in Venezuela. Both went off without any blowback or a hitch.

I'm glad I stopped by here to read, for a change. I'm not sure I can agree with this post much more than I do.

There are some caveats and "yeah, but maybe" moments, but ^ that's ^ the nutshell version.

What pisses me off, literally, is that there was never any real exit strategy *if* there was no plan to chop off the head. And no plan can be effective without one.

If there isn't already a new regime lying in wait, you're just spoon-feeding a never-ending cycle. Only thing that changes is being "nuke-ready" will take place on an ever-quickening timetable.

We didn't think this whole thing through very well. We convinced ourselves that overwhelming force and the "epic fury" at which we administered it would be enough. The snake is still slithering.

And now Trump is caught with his pants down. His only hope to avoid "forever war" is to root out the snake by installing a new regime. I'm not sure how that's possible without boots on the ground.

So today just after the stock market bell closed trump again extended the deadline with Iran-this time for 10 days till April 6.
Just after the Nasdaq moved into correction territory after taking another bath today.

Somebody on CNN referred to one of the financial services companies and their advise to their advisors based on the trump taco chart. Every time it the market is pricing in whatever "strategy" trump is working on at that present time and the market it crapping, they advise their investors that trumo is going to change his mind. Their chart said this afternoon that trump was going to change on Iran and not bomb the energy or power plants.

But I have to wonder, is this just market manipulation, are the talks really progressing or is an attack coming sooner or later?

Also Axios is reporting tonight that a ground invasion seems imminent at some point and we are expanding areas that we could attack with ground forces.

And in that meeting yesterday, alot of people with R after their name were really pissed off at what is coming. Nancy Mace said that we want to send in the troops. They say that this is a red line in the sand-I don't think they have the guts to agree with the dems on some oversight on this or to cut he purse strings.

OMG, Fate’s gone rogue on us.

Or…….
Has he?

To me - this is like a symptom of Trump. I don't know if I can explain this very well - but he's conducting himself in the same way with Iran that he has with every other major talking point or policy. He fires from the hip, he contradicts himself, he says one thing then does another .... when it winds up the Democrats and "libtards" on immigration or the border or tariffs or whatever - then the R's love it. Think it's genius. Think that he's scripted it all out to get what he wants ...

With Iran there have been constant contradictions. Go back 9 months or whatever and their Nuclear capability and enriched uranium was completely and utterly obliterated. That's changed now. We've won. That's changed now. Their ability to launch missiles was destroyed. That changed. Regime change with Trump influencing the successor was the goal - that has changed now. No wars - that has changed now (Bigly). Rubio said that it was Israel that forced our hand - that changed quickly (no doubt because it made Trump look weak).

I do think that at the end of the day the market - the economy - Trump and Trump's circle of associates making money is the single most important thing to Trump (other than his image/ego). I think when markets tank - he reacts. IN some cases I think he clearly enables others (and himself) to profit from his reaction. $1/2 Billion bet on oil futures in a QUANTUM spike in trades ... minutes before his last announcement. That might explain some of what we have seen.

But the reality is - driven by ego - he may also think that he has egg on his face after declaring he is negotiating with Iran. I mean that was a contradiction inside the space of 2 paragraphs: There's no-one left to talk to, they are all dead. We are talking to a top guy, the negotiations are going great. . . . and then Iranian sources (everywhere) mocked him and said there is no negotiation and increased their military strikes on Israel and neighbors.

We could see boots on the ground and an escalation. We might see a claim that objectives are complete and he backs out claiming a win. We could see his 15 point negotiation (where points 1-2-3 are all "never have nuclear weapons" !!) put in place - and essentially something similar to the Obama deal that he trashed in his first term put back in place ... we just don't know. I am not sure he knows.

I do think that the wanna-be He-Man Hegseth thinks this is some sort of video game and has zero regard for loss of life or long term consequences and all he wants to do it flex and show the world how mighty the US military is.

We just need to make sure they are pretty much neutered completely. We have been dorking around with that regime for over 40 years.

Better this that giving them $billions so they can fund their proxies around the globe. LOL, and to think some people around here insisted we were still in control of the money.

And just think things were under control until trump ripped up the nuclear deal with Iran.

And just think, in 1953 we worked to topple their democratically elected government to install the Shah of Iran.

History didn't just start in 1979. But that seems to be the story we keep hearing from a certain constituency.

trump blocked the bipartisan immigration bill so he could fix it.

Are you completely sure it was a miscalulation? I would like to think it was but honestly, when I listen to Hegseth, I get the feeling that might have been his "Alpha Male" side coming out.. So I wonder?

https://share.google/UIBxMkGOnJtwSBHU9

Trump helping Putin in Ukraine.... Again.

That's idiotic.

"lets go blow up a school, that might be cool" Right.

Maybe so... Look at how that idiot Hegseth talks about No Mercy and such.. He's the guy that the National Guard reassigned as a "Inside Threat" as a Major.. He's not right in the head.. Not at all. And we all know Trump isn't right in the head either.

Look, I'm not saying this as fact.. I have no way of knowing what they were thinking. But I also haven't heard that they acknowledged it was us that hit that school and I've not heard them apologize for it or show any remorse of any kind

So scoff at my thought all you want. Belittle it all you want... But dismissing it as Idiotic is, Well, that would be Idiotic!

Just my opinion, but I think just throwing the idea that you think it might be possible that it was deliberate is crazy and loses credibility for other things that you might then write. Just how I see it

And I should add, I couldn't have a lower opinion of Hegseth. I wouldn't trust him to babysit my kids for 5 minutes while I nipped to the store.

The real reason is probably just as bad-we had bad intelligence and old maps. That school had been a school for more than 10 years-

And then when it comes out-we lie and say they did it to themselves-yea, we sell the iranians tomahawks-

France confirms oil crisis, says 30-40 percent of Gulf energy infrastructure destroyed



France's Finance Minister Roland Lescure revealed on Wednesday that between 30 and 40 per cent of Gulf refining capacity has been damaged or destroyed by Iran's retaliatory strikes, leaving a shortage of 11 million barrels a day on global oil markets. Lescure warned it could take up to three years to restore damaged facilities, and several months to restart those that were urgently shut down.

Meanwhile, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has travelled to Algeria for emergency energy talks, seeking to secure increased gas deliveries to Italy as the country scrambles to replace lost LNG supplies from Qatar.

With fossil fuel supplies under severe strain, both the UK and Germany signalled on Wednesday that the energy crisis is accelerating their green transitions.

This comes as European Central Bank President Christine Lagarde assured the continent that the ECB has several options for dealing with the inflation shock triggered by the US-Israeli war on Iran, and vowed that policymakers would not be "paralysed by hesitation".

https://www.france24.com/en/france-...-40-gulf-energy-infrastructure-destroyed

Iran War Live Updates: Iran-Backed Houthis Enter War With Missile Attack on Israel
Earlier, U.S. officials said an Iranian strike at a military base in Saudi Arabia injured 12 U.S. troops, one of the most serious breaches of American defenses since the war began.




Here’s the latest.
The Houthis, an Iranian-backed militant group in Yemen, announced on Saturday that they had launched a ballistic missile attack on Israel, appearing to open another front in the spiraling war in the Middle East.

And American casualties continued to rise as the war neared its second month: An Iranian strike on a military base in Saudi Arabia injured 12 U.S. troops, two of them seriously, two U.S. officials said Friday. It was one of the most serious breaches of American defenses since the war began.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/0...WlA.dvET.DbgXtLMrQM5e&smid=url-share

I get it. I mean anything is "possible" I suppose.

But I think you have to look at what could be gained or lost by anything and everything. Hegseth is certainly an idiot and when you listen people like him and Jeanine Pirro talk it seems they still think they are on FOX News.

But hitting a school on purpose is a situation where you have nothing to gain and everything to lose. They haven't turned into Netanyahu yet.

Israel scales back use of top missile interceptors as Iran barrages persist - report
Stockpile concerns push the defense establishment to rely on less advanced systems, with mixed results.

An interceptor is fired toward incoming ballistic missiles launched from Lebanon, as seen in northern Israel, March 22, 2026
An interceptor is fired toward incoming ballistic missiles launched from Lebanon, as seen in northern Israel, March 22, 2026
(photo credit: David Cohen/Flash90)
ByJERUSALEM POST STAFF
MARCH 28, 2026 13:55
Israel has begun limiting its use of its most advanced missile interceptors as ongoing Iranian barrages strain stockpiles, forcing the military to increasingly rely on upgraded but less capable systems, according to a Wall Street Journal report published Friday.

The shift comes as the war enters its fourth week, with Iran continuing near-daily launches of ballistic missiles and drones. In recent days, two Iranian missiles struck the southern cities of Dimona and Arad after interception attempts using modified, lower-tier systems failed.

Israeli air defenses, long regarded as among the most sophisticated in the world, have until now leaned heavily on the Arrow system to counter long-range ballistic threats. However, officials are now conserving these high-end interceptors, turning instead to enhanced versions of David’s Sling and even Iron Dome for threats they were not originally designed to handle.





The move reflects mounting pressure on military inventories, as both Israel and its allies contend with the high cost and slow production pace of advanced interceptors compared to Iran’s mass-produced missiles and drones.

The scene where a missile fired from Iran toward Israel caused damage to residential buildings in the southern Israeli city of Dimona, March 22, 2026. (credit: CHAIM GOLDBERG/FLASH90)
Military planners must weigh each incoming threat carefully
“The number of interceptors of every type is finite,” Tal Inbar of the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance said, noting that prolonged conflict forces increasingly difficult decisions about when and how to deploy defensive systems.

Since the start of the war, Iran has launched more than 400 missiles alongside hundreds of drones. While the intensity of attacks has decreased from the initial phase, the steady pace, combined with daily fire from Hezbollah, continues to stretch Israel’s layered air-defense network.

Military planners must weigh each incoming threat carefully, deciding whether interception is necessary and which system to deploy, while preserving capabilities for future scenarios. Israel’s multi-tiered defense structure, ranging from Iron Dome for short-range threats to Arrow 3 for exo-atmospheric interceptions, was designed for flexibility, but not for sustained high-volume warfare over extended periods.

Recent efforts to adapt lower-tier systems have included software upgrades and expanded operational parameters. David’s Sling, for example, has been pushed to intercept longer-range ballistic threats, with uneven success. Iron Dome has also been adapted to engage drones and longer-range projectiles.

Still, the limitations of these adjustments were underscored by the direct hits in Dimona, home to Israel’s main nuclear facility, and Arad, incidents that heightened public concern and prompted some residents to relocate to reinforced shelters.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-891460