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There's nothing to be embarrassed about. Except for the people repeating trump's BS of what a terrible deal it was without any substance to back that up other than repeating trump's BS about what a "bad deal" it was. That's all you managed to do.......

Stockpile Reduction: Iran was required to reduce its stockpile of enriched uranium from over 10,000 kg (enough for 8-10 bombs) to no more than 300 kg of 3.67% low-enriched uranium.

Removal of Excess: The vast majority of Iran's stockpile was either shipped out of the country or diluted, according to the Obama White House Archives.

Enrichment Level Cap: The deal capped Iran's enrichment level at 3.67%, which is suitable for civilian nuclear power but far below the 90% required for a nuclear weapon.

Duration: These limitations were designed to last for 15 years.

Declared Facilities: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) had 24/7 continuous monitoring via cameras and online enrichment monitors at declared nuclear sites like Natanz and Fordow.

Now let's look at the trump approach.

He told Iran they would undergo continuing talks. Not once but twice they left talks on Friday that were set to resume on Monday and he bombed them over those week-ends. All he has done is show the globe that you can't trust our government to honor its word from one day to the next.

I mean there are two ways to look at this. They either had nothing to speak of in terms of nuclear capability when trump started this war if you believe what trump told you in June of 2025 after he said he "obliterated their nuclear program setting it back many years, even decades" or they were "less than a month away from having a nuclear weapon" when trump started this war with Iran which is the same false flag Netanyahu has been repeating over and over again since the 1990's.

You are a pretty funny guy though. When I try to get an answer to a question about something from you, you throw a fit and claim you don't have to answer anything and that you're not my puppet. Then expect to get an answer from me?

Before we get into this too deep I hope you've taken something for your mood swings.

It's also hilarious that Obama had a much better deal and accomplished more to put Iran's nuclear capability in check and after about 50 billion so far trump hasn't really accomplished anything in that regard. And that was with zero American troops killed or injured during Obama reaching that deal. I hope if noting else that means something to you.

And still no substance.

Strike two and a miss!

Substance?? Laural wanted to whatabout Trump and Hardy said I'm in a cult. You want me to provide substance to that??

Great story, but I think you missed the question... How does this "prevent Iran from having a nuclear weapon"?

I'm sorry you couldn't grasp the removal of their enriched uranium and the inspections that kept all of the uranium enrichment down to 300 kg of 3.67% low-enriched uranium. 3.67% enrichment of Uranium-235 is specifically designed for use in civilian nuclear power plants to produce electricity.

The agreement wouldn't have even ended until July of last year by which time they had already enriched a lot of uranium to over 60%. Trump had given them since 2018 to do so. Trump and any other administration would have had years negotiate a new deal without any of what we see now happening had the Obama deal have been left in place.

And on top of all of that, there is zero evidence Iran holds any uranium enriched to over 60% even now. weapons grade uranium needs to be enriched to 90+% to make a nuclear weapon.

Trump started a war that didn't need to happen when it did.

The funny thing is you have more questions to answer here than I do. But unlike me, you won't. No surprise there.

Love it,,, I went overboard, but you agree.,.....Perfect.

Worry not my friend, I always pack extra life vests!

The really funny thing about not having a plan and not having the intelligence on the matter is incredible. I mean, Iran has a history of not Capitulating. Nothing new. But without someone to bring that up, Hegseth and Trump either didn't know or didn't care because they thought they could puff up their chests and make the cry uncle. Honestly, I'm not really sure which.

Trump and the minions don't or can't grasp that our allies don't really need us. They are stronger with us, but without us, they are formidable. So taking the approach that we can just "Bully" them, is childish and nutty and well, wrong.

Where things stand
• Trip canceled: President Donald Trump said he no longer plans to send a US delegation to Pakistan this weekend, blaming “infighting” in Iran for derailing potential talks and saying the trip would have been “too much work.” Trump said the cancellation does not mean fighting will resume.

• Stalled peace effort: The White House had hoped to renew peace talks by sending envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner to Islamabad, but Tehran never confirmed plans to meet directly. Iran’s top diplomat has already left Pakistan after talks with mediators.

• In Lebanon: Meanwhile, Israel has launched more deadly strikes on southern Lebanon, according to the country’s health ministry, despite a ceasefire agreement recently extended by three weeks. Iran-backed Hezbollah has fired rockets into northern Israel.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/25/world/live-news/iran-war-israel-pakistan-talks

NBC News Drops Bombshell Report on Trump War Battle Damage: ‘Far Worse’ Than Trump Team Said
Tommy Christopher
Apr 25th, 2026, 10:32 am
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NBC News Drops Bombshell Report on Trump War Battle Damage
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NBC News dropped a bombshell report on Saturday that multiple government officials say damage to U.S. military bases was much more extensive than President Donald Trump’s officials have publicly disclosed.

The president is preparing to speak at his first White House Correspondents’ Dinner (WHCD) in office on Saturday night, as will frequent press attackers like Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and FCC Chair Brendan Carr.

Pentagon reporting has been in the administration’s crosshairs, but a parade of anonymous government sources nevertheless contributed to the reporting by NBC’s Gordon Lubold, Courtney Kube, Mosheh Gains, and Natasha Lebedeva.

The team attributed six sources for their report, which revealed that repairs from the Iran War damage will cost billions:

American military bases and other equipment in the Persian Gulf region suffered extensive damage from Iranian strikes that is far worse than publicly acknowledged and is expected to cost billions of dollars to repair, according to three U.S. officials, two congressional aides and another person familiar with the damage.

The Iranian regime swiftly retaliated after the Trump administration attacked on Feb. 28, hitting dozens of targets across U.S. military bases in seven Middle East countries. Those attacks struck warehouses, command headquarters, aircraft hangars, satellite communications infrastructure, runways, high-end radar systems and dozens of aircraft, according to the U.S. officials and an assessment by the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank in Washington, D.C.

In the initial days of the war, an Iranian F-5 fighter jet bombed the U.S. base Camp Buehring in Kuwait, despite the base having air defenses, a rare breach that marked the first time an enemy fixed-wing aircraft has struck an American military base in years, according to two of the U.S. officials.

The U.S. bases that came under attack are home to thousands of American troops, and in some cases their families, though they were largely cleared out in the days and hours before the U.S. and Israeli went to war with Iran.

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news...e-damage-far-worse-than-trump-team-said/

It would not surprise me - but I'd like some proof or to hear official channels comment.

I just have a few things that seem quite confusing which I thought you may possibly help provide some clarity on. I know those on the other end of the spectrum won't touch it so I thought possibly you could.

The last two times trump was going to send Kushner and Witkof, and one of those two time Vance as well, Iran made it clear they would not be meeting with the U.S. The first time they said that they wouldn't even be there and the second time they said they were only there to talk to the Pakistani representatives in the peace talks and had no plans to speak with the U.S. Yet trump planned those trips and didn't cancel them until the last moment.

All along he has contended that Iran was the party most wishing for a deal. "They are dying to make a deal!" On April 17th trump told CBS news Iran had "agreed to everything," including the removal of enriched uranium and ceasing support for proxy groups.

So if all that's true why isn't Iran showing up? If that's true why hasn't a deal already been signed? If Iran is "desperate to make deal" why is it the only people that have planned a trip to negotiate a peace deal between Iran and the U.S. since the first meeting been the U.S.?

And probably the most confusing part of this................

Trump claims that there is so much infighting going on in Iran they themselves don't even know who is running the country.

If that's true why is the U.S. agreeing to and attempting to holding peace talks with Iran? If Iran can't figure out who is in charge of their own country how can this administration know who is running Iran? If what they are saying is true how do they know the people they are negotiating these peace talks with would even have the power and authority to honor such a peace deal if one is agreed upon?

Some time back I suggested that a political struggle was in play and the hard line military was gaining some degree of control. In the end, he who controls the army controls the country.

You sent me lectures on how they have a constitution.

In the mean time we just keep trying to see who emerges and continue our slow choke out death with the blockade. Hopefully one of their buddies in China comes over and tells them they lost and need to give it up.

Hey - Saw this the other day but have been tied up.

Not sure if your question is serious or not. The truth is we don't know and we can only speculate. The reality is I suspect that Trump's ego and narcistic personality prevents him from ever acknowledging ... well anything. I take the root cause of everything you said as: Trump can't stop his verbal diarrhea and talks utter BS many times. Just my 2 cents.

Actually that isn't what's going on. The "the hard line military" known as the Islamic Revolutionary Guard has always been in control and is controlled at the behest of their Supreme Leader. That was Ayatollah Ali Khamenei before he was killed. That is now his son Mojtaba Khamenei...................................

Senior Iranian lawmaker Ali Nikzad declared that the Strait of Hormuz will never return to its pre-war state, citing a direct order from the Supreme Leader. He dismissed Trump’s demands on Iran’s nuclear program, asking: “Who is Trump in the world to decide this?” The strait remains restricted amid a US naval blockade.

https://en.yenisafak.com/world/iran...&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=

They have said they will open the Strait IF trump removes the blockade of their ports however. That hasn't changed since trump took that action.

Their senior lawmaker just made that perfectly clear yesterday.

If Iran doesn't know who is in charge like trump claims, why would they be trying to broker a peace agreement with Iran? They would have no idea of they are even negotiating with who is running Iran. Here's a hint. When trump tells you something that doesn't make any sense, don't believe it.

By Andreas Rinke and Kirsti Knolle

BERLIN, April 27 (Reuters) - German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said on Monday Iran's leadership was humiliating the United States and getting U.S. officials to travel to Pakistan and then leave without results, in an unusually abrupt rebuke over the conflict.



Merz also said he not see what exit strategy the U.S. was pursuing in the Iran war - comments that underlined deep divisions between Washington and its European NATO allies, which had already been festering over Ukraine and other issues.

"The Iranians are obviously very skilled at negotiating, or rather, very skilful at not negotiating, letting the Americans travel to Islamabad and then leave again without any result," he said during a talk to students in the town of Marsberg.

"An entire nation is being humiliated by the Iranian leadership, especially by these so-called Revolutionary Guards. And so I hope that this ends as quickly as possible," he added at the venue in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia.

U.S. President Donald Trump has harshly criticized NATO allies for not sending their navies to help open the Strait of Hormuz during the conflict. The waterway has remained virtually shut, causing market turmoil and unprecedented disruption in energy supplies.



Merz reiterated that Germans and Europeans were not consulted before the U.S. and Israel started attacking Iran on February 28, and that he had conveyed his scepticism directly to Trump afterwards.

"If I had known that it would continue like this for five or six weeks and get progressively worse, I would have told him even more emphatically," Merz said, comparing it to previous U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Hopes of reviving peace efforts have receded since Trump scrapped a visit on Saturday by his envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner to Islamabad, the Pakistani capital.

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi travelled to Russia on Monday after failed talks in Pakistan and Oman.

Merz said it was evident the Strait of Hormuz had been at least partially mined. "We have offered, also as Europeans, to send German minesweepers to clear the strait, which has obviously been mined in part," he said.

He said the conflict was costing Germany "a lot of money, a lot of taxpayers' money and a lot of economic strength."



(Reporting by Andreas Rinke, writing by Kirsti Knolle; editing by Matthias Williams)

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/othe...umiliating-us-as-talks-stall/ar-AA21PzkD

The world is inching closer to a global recession... All because of Trump and his ego.

It's that simple. Fact.

And the EU and ROTW is probably going to get more vocal about it. What Germany just did/said was the equivalent of screaming "WTF are you doing dummy" ... Diplomatic talk is not normally so blatant.