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This has been going on so long it's hard to imagine anything else.
Who is going to be the quarterback?
1.0 What if DW beats out Shedeur and becomes the starter?
2.0 If that happens what is the future for Shedeur and DW?
3.0 Would the Browns seriously consider an extension for DW?
4.0 Would there be a future for Shedeur in Cleveland?
5.0 Will this all lead to moving Myles?
1.0 Early reports are DW has an edge. It is still too early. However, IMO Monken will move quickly because he wants his starter to get the reps in a new offense. If he does DW will need to stay healthy and get positive results.
2.0 If Shedeur cannot win this job then his value to the team goes down. He needs to win the job and show improvement in order to retain the job. If DW wins the job and keeps it through the season. His future with the team will depend upon how well he plays.
3.0 It would be hard to imagine DW getting an extension. However, if he was really good and the team won a lot of games and won playoff games. Yes, an extension would not be out of the question.
4.0 IMO Shedeur has to win the job and then play well. He has to win games and demonstrate that he can become a true franchise quarterback. If not his future with the team would be in doubt.
5.0 Myles is most likely going nowhere. If the season goes down the tubes and the team wins like 4 games or less. They will have a high draft pick. For Myles to be traded by the Browns IMO they would have to see a difficult path to a quarterback in the draft.
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1. If Watson wins the starting job and earned it then he deserves to be the starter. If your on the 53 then best player plays.
2. If Watson starts the season and things go bad then Sanders will again get a shot. If Watson and the team play well then Sanders needs to learn how to be #2.
3. If Watson plays good enough for an extension, then yes.
4. He would clearly be the #2 QB on the roster and if Watson and the team does well they will not be in position to draft another QB so if Sanders continues to develop and does not cause drama he can be #2. Injuries happen how long he stay #2 or when he gets another chance to start that will depend on his performance at that time.
5. If the team is bad and out of the running by the trade deadline I think Garrett will go for a ransom that the FO will use to acquire a new QB in next years draft.
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That's simply too much to wade through. So I'll keep this short.
First this is a contract year for DW. His future depends on playing well. The gravy train won't be flowing to his door next year if he doesn't play well this season. If after flopping around like a fish washed up on the beach for four years he plays lights out this season, it will only confirm to me that he is who I thought he was.
Secondly, DW never wanted to be here. He had a no trade clause and took the Browns off the list if teams he was willing to be traded to until Haslam backed up the Brinks truck. He came here just for the cash to a destination he didn't want to be in you can bet your ass he's looking to get away from here now.
There are 31 other teams in the league. None of this is as simple as the Browns just giving DW an extension.
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1. If Watson wins the starting job and earned it then he deserves to be the starter. If your on the 53 then best player plays.
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3. If Watson plays good enough for an extension, then yes. I agree on all your points, but I do think that just because 1 happens doesn't necessarily mean that 3 will happen. I think the likelihood of 1 happening is FAR higher than 3.
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1. Watson would have to be pretty bad to not beat out Shedeur.
2. We may try to trade Shedeur depending upon what we see from the new kid. We still have that other guy from Oregon, too, don't we?
3. Berry (or was it Haslam?) has already stated publicly that nothing says this can't happen.
4. This all depends on what Shedeur shows relative to all the others, and if we can find a buyer.
5. If Myles was leaving, it would have happened in the last year. I think he is here for the long haul, now.
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I agree on Myles.
I don't see him being traded. It would have to be a godfather offer.
I cannot see DW as the starter or having a future beyond this year.
He may look fine at practice because he is still relatively young and he is now healthy. However, he has done next to nothing for five years. Playing under real pressure is not practice. In addition when he has played he has gotten hurt.
His game includes his mobility. His mobility increases hits. He has not been able to stay healthy. He hurt his shoulder and two Achilles tears on the same leg.
It is hard to imagine his future in Cleveland.
Shedeur has played seven games under bad conditions. Bad OL, weak receivers, no run game. This year Berry has made the effort to improve those areas. Shedeur at least in his seven games had some flashes. He is accurate when given protection. Maybe with more experience and better weapons. He could show something. That remains to be seen but I think his chances to play well are better than DW.
I believe the Browns and in particular Berry. Are looking at next year to find their guy. The only chance of that changing is probable Shedeur playing better than expected.
There are no clear answers at his time. The Browns finding their answer at quarterback in the 2027 draft is by no means a given.
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No matter how well DW plays I would part ways with him at the end of the season. I want us to develop a young QB and make him our starter for many years be it Shedeur, Green, Gabriel or a guy we draft in 2027, most likely scenario. We aren't known for developing QB's, but I feel with Monken we have a better chance than what we've had here before. Just cut the ties with DW and move on.
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If Watson wins the starting spot, play him. He has been paid very well and is on the roster. If he is the best on the roster, make him earn some of the money he got. Shaduer would be the back=up, and Green can be #3. Sanders sitting and learning for another year would be beneficial to all. I don't think there is any scenario where Watson is resigned.
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