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True, being on sidelines isn't helping your team. Watson has higher career rating than Mayfield. He's younger. Stafford is 38 starting another season. IF Watson plays well- he could be QB for next 7 years or so. I hope his marriage has straighten him out and hope he lights up the NFL with our new receiver weapons. Go Browns!!!!

According to NFL On Prime as of August of 2025 only 8 starting QB's were 30 or older.

https://www.facebook.com/nflonprime/posts/only-8-starting-qbs-are-30-or-older-/1340354738098135/

watson is 30 years old. watson has been with the Browns since March of 2022. That's four full seasons. In those four seasons he has played in 19 games.

Stats alone can't predict the future but what they can do is establish the likelihood of how things will play out moving forward.

Could DW be a QB for another 7 years? Well, that's possible but how many of those over 30 QB's have had 2 Achilles injuries? He's had other injuries besides that also. I wouldn't bet DW will be a QB into his late 30's.

I think the speculation about Watson is total stupidity. He will be gone after the end of this year no matter if he is a bench warmer or starter.

Fool’s Gold for Jimmy. He is pyrite….

Spot on. An end to the very worst trade in the history of the NFL. Firstly I do not see him suddenly metamorphosizing into an elite QB - he's had maybe 3 good games out of 19 for the Browns. Talk of him suddenly becoming very good/elite during the offseason is a bit like Browns fans thinking they are going to the SB after free agency and the draft ... it's based on emotion and fandom, not anything to do with reality. Maybe Monken's offense will suit him more? Chuck it up and be aggressive? But that would onlyu highlight the stupidity of trading for Watson with our offense being Stefanski's.

I think the majority of NFL teams will pass on Sorsby. His future does not look great at this time. Being labelled with a gambling addiction and betting on his team in the past. Every time he fumbles. Every time he throws a pick fans will say it was on purpose due to gambling or paying off debt. He needs to be picked up by someone like Green Bay that stash young QBs on their roster for multiple years let them learn and in Sorsby's case get his life straight while he learns to have a chance to be successful. In the sports world gambling on his own team is a major red flag that entire leagues do not want to be associated with. See Pete Rose.

I'd actually be more likely to bid on Sorsby in the supplemental draft if I knew he was going to be suspended for a year and wouldn't take up a roster spot this season. Hopefully the league clarifies his status beforehand.

A gamble makes more sense after we're rid of Watson and figure out what Shedeur is. Adding another body to an already crowded and question filled room seems almost more like an extra problem than an opportunity at this juncture. Especially if there is an unknown length suspension looming (Pryor's 5 game suspension for the memorabilia for cash scandal at Ohio State being a similar-ish precedent.) I don't know if advancing to a full 3 ring circus is something I'd want on the first year HC's plate, Monken's got his work cut out for him as is.

I would bid a 7th on Sorsby. No more.

The talent is there, and the way the NFL rules are written, he may not be suspended for his college ...... indiscretions ..... but he could be if it continues into the NFL.

I don't see investing more than that.

Per ESPN (Or Google's AI pull up from ESPN), "Sorsby filed a lawsuit in a local court in Lubbock County on May 18 seeking his eligibility. In the suit, he acknowledged betting on thousands of sporting events as part of his gambling addiction. That included betting on Indiana football games while on the team."

At one point, the NFL had a minimum two year suspension as the penalty for betting on an involving team. I'm not sure if that's still the case. Or how the "it happened in college" part would factor in. But, I don't think the protect the shield stance that the NFL typically holds would lend towards them doing nothing.

In some ways, I think his having made the addiction claim (true or not, though I imagine he supported it with an official diagnosis) makes things worse for him. Young, dumb, bored, and didn't think it was a big deal doesn't bring the same worry of relapse.

Not sure where to put this, so here it is:

5 sleeper 2027 QB prospects Browns fans should start watching now:

Everyone knows about Arch Manning, Dante Moore, Julian Sayin, and C.J. Carr. There's a lot more to the class than that.

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Nov 22, 2025; Columbia, South Carolina, USA; South Carolina Gamecocks quarterback Lanorris Sellers (16) scrambles against the Coastal Carolina Chanticleers in the second quarter at Williams-Brice Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jeff Blake-Imagn Images
Nov 22, 2025; Columbia, South Carolina, USA; South Carolina Gamecocks quarterback Lanorris Sellers (16) scrambles against the Coastal Carolina Chanticleers in the second quarter at Williams-Brice Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jeff Blake-Imagn Images | Jeff Blake-Imagn Images
It goes without saying that, as the season hasn't even begun yet, counting out the Browns and particularly Shedeur Sanders this early isn't fair to any of the involved parties. It's also not inherently anti-Shedeur to keep an eye on the incoming rookie class, just in case. At this time of year, the scouts are usually buzzing about the upcoming class. The 2027 crop is no different.


We all know about Texas' Arch Manning, as the heir to the Manning throne has been ballyhooed since he was in high school. Dante Moore was expected to be the second quarterback taken in the 2026 draft, before returning to school when faced with the deplorable reality of having to turn around the New York Jets. They may as well have been asking the just-turned 21-year-old to square the circle. Then there's Julian Sayin of the hometown Buckeyes and Notre Dame's C.J. Carr, each of whom played themselves onto the national radar screen with impressive performances on primetime stages.

What makes this class unique, however, is that those are simply the most well-known prospects. There are at least five others that Browns fans should stop and tune in for if they happen to stumble on one of their universities' games this fall.

The Cleveland Browns need to get the quarterback position right, once and for all

LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina

Forgive me, college football fans, for including Sellers on a list of under-the-radar prospects. It's true that Sellers has had his fair share of admirers for at least the last two years. The 2025 season was difficult for him, though, as many scouts who predicted a huge leap were left disappointed. The 6-foot-3, 240-pound phenomenal athlete regressed slightly, completing 60.8 percent of his passes for 2,437 yards, 13 touchdowns, and eight interceptions.

Despite the athleticism he displayed in droves in 2024, his rushing numbers were down as well, with only 270 yards, down from 674 the prior year. Scouts are still bullish on his future, as the young man will only turn 21 in about a month. Sellers falls somewhere closer to a tools-guy than a proven commodity on that spectrum, though he's considered a far cry from someone like, say, Anthony Richardson.


He's credited by ESPN's resident scout Jordan Reid with “A-level attributes such as arm power, mobility, and strength,” as well as an impeccable deep ball described as “a great feel for the trajectory and touch on long passes that allows him to 'drop it in the bucket’ when attacking downfield." The reason he's not considered a slam-dunk first-rounder relates back to his sack rate (11.1 percent, second in the FBS) and his affinity for the risky. Should he improve his decision-making, there's a very real chance the Browns could have interest.

C.J. Bailey, NC State

A little north of Sellers is another intriguing option who emerged onto the radar in 2025. Bailey, standing 6-foot-6 and weighing 210 pounds, looks the part of franchise quarterback. He also plays like one. In 2025, he threw for 3,105 yards on 68.8-percent completions with 25 TDs and nine interceptions. He displayed some functional mobility with 214 yards on the ground, though his game is mostly predicated on beating teams from the pocket.


Bailey turned 20 years old just a few weeks ago, making it a real possibility that he is only scratching the surface of what he'll be able to do. He is described by Jordan Reid as having the "arm to drive the ball in the middle of the field and complete passes vertically." Where scouts see room for improvement is his performance when the lights are the brightest.

The then-19-year-old faltered in big-time games against Miami and Notre Dame, though it's fair to wonder if he was undermanned in those contests anyway. As with many of the QBs (including Sellers), who developed watching Patrick Mahomes extend plays for a lifetime, Bailey, too, needs to know when to get rid of the ball. It's a delicate balance to strike, though his ability to extend the play is a skill that has become a necessity at the NFL level.


Drew Mestemaker, Oklahoma State

Last season, North Texas almost made the field for the College Football Playoff. If you're wondering who on earth was at the controls for such a Herculean effort at such a tiny institution, look no further than Drew Mestemaker. The 6-foot-3, 215-pound flamethrower completed 68.9 percent of his passes for a whopping 4,379 yards, totaling 34 TDs with nine interceptions. A more prototypical passer, Mestemaker's 89 rushing yards reflect his preference for beating teams with his arm.

Jordan Reid praises the once-unknown walk-on, lauding his "live arm and the confidence to test the tightest windows from various platforms. His style is unconventional, as he holds the ball at his waistline, but Mestemaker is capable of a couple of 'wow' throws every game." Like Bailey and Sellers, Mestemaker is still just 20 years old, once again giving teams hope that his tools will get even better as he finishes developing. After transferring, he'll get the opportunity on a grander stage at Oklahoma State.


Scouts are concerned with his confidence, not because he lacks it, but because he perhaps has too much of it. A passer who endeared himself to the Cleveland faithful, Baker Mayfield, also seemed to have a sometimes dangerous amount of confidence in his ability to fit the ball into a spot. It appears to be a coachable trait that can be dialed up and down as a game requires. If Mestemaker makes strides this season, a first-round future is not out of the question.

Darian Mensah, Miami Hurricanes

Each year, the Hurricanes seem to pull a rabbit out of a hat and import a new college veteran at the quarterback position. Following in the footsteps of Cam Ward and Carson Beck, next up is Duke transfer Darian Mensah. The 6-foot-3, 205-pound passer had no noticeable trouble adjusting to ACC defenses in 2025, completing 66.8 percent of his passes for 3,973 yards, 34 TDs, and six picks.


ESPN gave him a scouting report that sounds like music to Browns fans' ears:

"He plays with poise and has by-the-book mechanics, with a fluid throwing motion and a strong base. His above-average creativity helps him find extra opportunities, while his confidence allows him to locate and layer throws down the field."

While generally considered a pretty clean prospect, Mensah has one glaring issue to shore up in 2026 — ball security. The 21-year-old fumbled eight times in 2025, a troubling issue that surely made its way onto every opponent's scouting report. That trend indicates either an obliviousness to pressure or, perhaps less concerningly, excessive confidence. Browns fans are keenly aware of what a QB who holds onto the ball too long looks like after watching Shedeur Sanders, so Mensah's progress in this department will speak volumes.


Trinidad Chambliss, University of Mississippi

Chambliss just barely made the cut for this list of Jordan Reid's top prospects to know. While he dazzled last season en route to a playoff appearance, there's reason to be skeptical. Chambliss is a sixth-year senior with less than one full season of starting experience. The Ferris State transfer was thrust into the starting lineup for Lane Kiffin last year and wound up being one of the most compelling stories of 2025, completing 66.1 percent of his passes for 3,937 yards, 22 TDs, and three interceptions. He added 527 yards and eight TDs on the ground.

At 6-feet and 205 pounds, he's undersized for the position. What's more, he'll be 24 years old when the season kicks off — and a 25-year-old rookie in 2027. While not quite Brandon Weeden-level seasoned, it's fair to be wary. Nonetheless, he made a strong impression on Jordan Reid, who wrote:


"Chambliss is dynamic as a runner and a passer, as his sudden circular throwing motion helps him get the ball out quickly and was a big reason he was sacked on only 2.9% of his dropbacks. His jittery, controlled running style makes him a challenge in the rushing game, too."

Chambliss certainly has talent, and the Browns would be wise to pay attention. It is admittedly hard to see a team like Cleveland, which has opted for diminutive signal-callers in Mayfield and Johnny Manziel over the last 15 years with mixed results, going that route again. Chambliss' weaknesses as a prospect match up with the majority of his counterparts on this list. A consistent refusal to give up on a play and live to fight another down plagued his tape, and Reid would like to see improvement in that department.


It's an exciting time for Browns fans. There is no shortage of exciting quarterback prospects in the upcoming class. Now, the hard part — picking the right one.

Trading for Watson....we be the team who drafted Manziel with his KNOWN drinking/etc problems.....we are paying Watson HUGE bucks, Sanders showed last year he ISN'T a quick decision maker, holds ball to long.....Watson has been a head case for several years- sex lawsuits could distract a guy, plus he wrecked his throwing arm/shoulder and came back early.....just saying, he's married, he's over sex lawsuits, he's healthy/so far, and he has new coach who is EXPERT at putting guys in proper schemes....time will tell....I was a SKI fan, but he seemed to ra, ra, at end and didn't hold people accountable.

I'm hoping Watson lights it up.....time will tell. Go Browns!!!

It's rare to see someone try to compare a drinking problem to sexual assault. But as we can see here it does happen.

Accused sexual assault not proven in the court of law. Innocent until proven guilty is what our law states.

Sure, that's it. 26 women were lying.

Dear Lord.

26 PAID women... If he was innocent, he would have let the courts decide, then we wouldn't be having this ridiculous debate on guilt. The evidence was overwhelming, which is why every one of them got paid. It was a civil court. It is the equivalent of taking a plea deal in criminal court.

He said, they said situation with the defendant being a black man. Juries don't always get it right. If there was overwhelming evidence, why did all the women settle? Why wasn't he found guilty of criminal charges?

I don't doubt there was circumstantial evidence, and I'm not claiming he didn't do what they said, but your claim doesn't seem to entirely add up.

I would go a third rounder for Sorsby. It might get him. I don’t think a fourth would. Hopefully, he would be suspended all year and not take up a roster spot. Depending on what happens this season, and who is available in the first round next year, I may still take a QB. Then you would have two legit shots at a franchise QB.

That is a stupid comment. Lot's of innocent people end up taking a plea deal.

It's easy to say go to court if you are innocent, but another if you are facing years in prison as the gambling chip you have to throw on the table.

Sorsbey = [img]https://www.ebay.com/itm/363159837106[/img]

Two grand juries looked at the evidence and did not find enough evidence to even take it to trial.

Are there really this many humans willing to stand up and defend Deshaun Watson on these boards? I might have picked the wrong place to spend my time. This guy preyed on young women, you should all be ashamed. Maybe it's because I have three daughters, I don't know. There is no way to coordinate 24 women filing civil suits and a person just says, screw it, I don't care about my reputation, I don't care about the 100's of millions of dollars, let's pay them ALL off so I can look guilty to the league and take my 11 game suspension. In what world do you think this is a run of the mill, let's take a lower settlement than we would probably get by going to trial and moving on? Former U.S. District Judge Sue L. Robinson sure thought there was enough to hand down one of the biggest suspensions in league history, outside of gambling scandals, for the NFL's investigation.

Are you all sane?

I get wanting to win and hoping he can give us one good season out of his $240M contract, but to maintain this guy did nothing wrong is wrong in and of itself.

Jump down off my soap box....

Getting happy ending massages is creepy. It is not normal behavior. The women involved were hired for a reason. They perform those creepy acts regularly. If not, they would not have been hired to perform those acts. Two grand juries found no evidence to even take Watson to trial for any criminal activates. The women got what they wanted a huge pay day. If we think that a team full of young men are all choir boys and that is why we root for them, you are very much deceived. The reason he was suspended is his creepy behavior gave the NFL a bad look. If the story does not come out, he does not get suspended.

I fully understand that being a contrarian is your cup of tea. But people are convicted every day on cases built around circumstantial evidence. Being a contrarian is not always a bad thing. But when it gets to the point of defending a sexual predator, at that point it's no longer attractive.

Many of those "women involved" were reputable, licensed message therapists. They were hired to give professional massages not cater to a creep. Now you have just gotten creepy in your attempt to attack the victims.

I'm not claiming he did nothing wrong. I question the characterization of overwhelming evidence towards the civil suits. I don't doubt that something unsavory went down. I haven't seen concrete evidence of who did what to whom when. I'm not sure where the 100's of millions of dollars is coming from, NDA's were signed and I've never seen a disclosed amount of what was finally accepted. According to the written decision from the NFL's independent arbitrator, "the therapists" (that's how they're referred to in the arbitrator's decision) knew he wanted his glutes and groin to be "focus points" and that they were going to be doing them in private, away from their places of business. Elsewhere in ESPN's reporting it mentions Watson offered to pay 300 for the session though the usual rate was 115. It sounds like a thinly veiled solicitation situation. Which is still illegal, but different than how it has been portrayed. The NFL actual only used 4 of "the therapists" interviews in their "evidence" they presented to the arbitrator. Perhaps 4 of the 24 were oblivious to the seedy underbelly of the massage business. I find it hard to believe they all were. If he wanted legit massages, he'd have gotten them from people that worked for the team. I don't think all these women were ...stupid. Pay extra, focus groin and glutes, in private- that's not someone looking for a normal massage. Part of the reason the Arbitrator punished him (/made a recommendation for punishing him) is because he positioned himself as an NFL QB in his online propositions. Since he did so, he "impugned the integrity of the league." She suggested a 6 week suspension and wrote that was harsh. Goodell overruled it. Basically the NFL can do whatever it wants as far as internal punishments.

26 women. Many of which were reputable, licensed massage therapists. But I get it. That isn't enough evidence to convince you since DNA and video wasn't provided.

Wouldn't "four" of them be enough? This is disgusting.

According to Google AI, 9 were licensed and the rest were not.

My recollection was that his preference was for less-established massage therapists, which was odd since the stated purpose of these massages was for physical/medical recovery.

Okay, nine then. What threshold would suit you better to consider it "many" out of as group of 26 women? It's odd you address my comment while we have posters acting like all of these 26 women were nothing but a bunch of hookers or who were either lying or of questionable character. . I gave you more credit than that.

You might want to double check that. The NFL arbitrator's decision implies that most of them were not. https://www.espn.com/pdf/2022/0801/watson.pdf Part of the reason the NFL only used 4 women's interviews seems to be because they were the ones that were licensed or at least working towards it and had a semblance of respectability. Maybe those four didn't know what they were getting into. I have my doubts.

I don't think anyone has ever said, "Oh, he's an NFL player, surely he has good intentions. Football players are known to always be wholesome." A powerful athlete wanting her alone with his groin wouldn't set off any alarm bells for most women?

I didn't say "most" I said "many". According to Oober, "According to Google AI, 9 were licensed and the rest were not." Doesn't nine qualify as "many" in a group of 26 people to you?

How many people do you think a licensed massage therapist has around to witness their massage sessions "just in case" some pervert sexually assaults them? If they were not massage therapists that realize often times athletes need massages of their groin area that may set off alarm bells. I mean most women who are not message therapists would think that's creepy, yes. And then there are people like yourself trying to paint a picture to cast shade on the victims of sexual assault by finding any way they can think of to question their character and somehow make it sound like being the victim of a sexual assault is partly their fault.

It reminds me of the 1960's when a woman in a bikini or a mini skirt was raped or sexually assaulted. You would hear men actually say, "But did you see the way she was dressed? Admit it, she was asking for it." I mean you can sugar coat it and spin it with a little less direct accusation , but in the end it's all trying to place blame on the victim.

At least half of the total.

IMO, those arguments speak for themselves. It's not my job to run around this board all day policing the morality of every argument.

No you didn't. If you did, you'd have noticed that my correcting your facts and figures actually jives with your overall point (Watson being a creep). He did NOT seek out licensed/established massage therapists (which one would expect if he was seeking the best physical/medical treatment). The inference is that he was seeking something other than legit medical treatment.

It's deplorable that this many people (men?) would defend him, and/or shame the victims (and as soon as he paid them, they became victims in a civil suit).

1) It IS normal for a therapist to travel. There are many that do not work full time in a brick and mortar establishment. It does NOT make them "Happy Ending Girls"
2) 9 female LICENSED therapists are not enough for you to take the suits serious?? Even if some of the others were trashy and did that kind of therapy, being unlicensed at the time does not mean they do not take the profession serious. To assume those that were not licensed at the time were sex workers, shows your true character.
3) Even if it was ONE person that he assaulted, I don't want that trash on my team. I didn't want Kareem Hunt on the team either. There is a list of players I didn't think represented the NFL well, let alone the Cleveland Browns. Because I support the Browns, does not does not make me liable to support individuals.
4) Morality is up to every individual, again, just because my morals are higher than others, doesn't mean I am forced to not speak out against those without any. That's what makes this country great. You have the right to defend a sexual predator and I have the right to make that defense a public spectacle.

No thanks.

Sorsby placed at least 40 bets on Indiana football as Hoosiers QB - ESPN
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ast-40-bets-indiana-football-hoosiers-qb

I'm not defending him or his actions. I'm questioning your argument.

You're the one bringing up shame. I'm just questioning actions.

1. Yes, it is normal to travel. Were all the other stipulations that Watson expressed while setting up the appointments normal? No, they were not. "Professionals" would have clarified before hand and set ground rules.
2. Who said anything about not taking it serious?
3. Was there assault? Maybe, maybe not. No concrete evidence. Perhaps you are whelmed by less than I am when it comes to your overwhelming evidence. The NFL arbitrator stipulated no evidence of violence as a mitigating factor. (Not that physical violence is a requirement) Still, I don't want him on the team, either.
4. I don't think higher necessarily applies. They are different than others. You seem to find sex work shameful. I find it something I want no part of, but don't feel it's my place to judge. I think someone that is working in the massage industry not expecting something hinky based on Deshaun's messages is suspect. Did some of them come to regret taking the money? I wouldn't doubt it. Did some just see an opportunity to extort a professional athlete? I also wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibilities.

The difficulty from Watson's side is that you can't claim to have paid for sex as a defense. Well, technically you can, but admitting multiple counts of a crime under oath isn't in either side's interest.

Agreed. We know better than to tempt Fate. Hard pass!