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The Baker Mayfield situation was totally mishandled by Dorsey by drafting him in the first place. When the "fiery" QB is hellbent on playing, and the training staff says he's healthy enough to play, he was going to play. Baker was never a good fit personality-wise with Stefanski. Baker was a do things his own way guy. When things are going well, it can be great. When they're not, it can be miserable. The chip on Baker's shoulder doesn't/didn't go away. Could it have been handled better? Probably. But I think people discount Baker's part in it too much. There was talent there, but the person seems to have been a big part of the problem. Handling Baker isn't/wasn't as simple as some people try to make it out to be.

...Stefanski was hired before Berry. It seems it would have been hard for Berry to have hired Stefanski with that being the case. Accountability is tough when dealing with huge-ego'd, entitled millionaires on fully guaranteed contracts (like Baker's rookie contract was.)

When QBs have injuries, other QBs by necessity end up having to play. It's not an allergy. Injuries happen. They'd love to have their starting QB stay healthy.

No one thinks anything is going to magically happen but imaginary inventions in lazy arguments. I hope Berry is still here. Hopefully, he's the best person to continue leading the Browns.

I'm more comfortable with the thought of Berry remaining GM than I am with the idea of someone else "magically" coming in to turn things around.

If we are going to go back with this discussion, it all started when Dwight Clark selected center Jim Pyne with the 1st pick in the expansion draft.

He wasn't talking to you. You can easily see at the right side of the header who a poster is responding to.

I agree, Watson starting AND winning poses another huge problem riding on the edge of a double edge sword.

A) If they fail to re-sign him, it shows their incompetence in managing contracts and players
B) If they do re-sign him and he reverts back to the player we have seen to date, it shows their incompetence in managing contracts and players

Watson starting and losing does nothing for the future of the team, unless it is predetermined that Shedeur Sanders has no chance of being a franchise QB. IF that is the case, they need to trade him for whatever they can get out of him by the trade deadline. THEN and ONLY then would a Watson playing and losing help the team in the possibility of drafting a QB. In the end, other teams won't want him either because his skills have diminished.

Losing is the only way to win in this scenario.

On the other hand, there isn't anyone in this organization or fanbase that would blame the team for not starting Watson after the history we have had with him. If it weren't for the ridiculous contract, he would have been gone long ago.



The only other scenario is Watson starting, winning, getting a contract and continuing to win... I just can't fathom that becoming a reality. He wants one more big pay day and what ever sucker gives it to him is going to get a player that doesn't care about his team, the fan base or the organization. He will simply collect more paychecks. He's a con-artist.



Time to see if Shedeur can show the kind of improvement to cause doubt in drafting a QB in 2027.

You can slice it and dice it any way you like mac, unless Haslam overrode Berry's decisions, Berry had the final say on who was drafted.

The Cleveland Browns hired head coach Kevin Stefanski first, officially announcing his appointment on January 13, 2020. They later hired Andrew Berry as their Executive Vice President of Football Operations and General Manager on January 28, 2020.

Who hired Stefanski again?