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Tomorrow mandatory Camp begins.

Three days, no contact, no pads what to expect?

After these three days everybody goes home till real training camp begins.

Monken said he would like to have his starter in place. It might not work out that way.

Given that DW and Shedeur are competing for the starter's job. Naming the starter when nobody is in pads and there is no contact could be hard to do. When training begins everybody knows things heat up. Eleven on eleven with pads and a rush means timing and competition is at play.

These three days there will talk from reporters but we shall see what Monken has to say.

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One ting I think people should take notice of is the depth chart always changes during the process. From training camp through the pre-season and right up until opening day it's going to fluctuate. I don't think naming starters this early in the process has any actual meaning. But then Monkin is a first time NFL HC so there may be a bit of a learning curve here.


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Honestly, I can't see the starter being anyone other than Watson. Shedeur's good days are in the ballpark of Watson's bad days (not his worst, but his average bad).


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Apt way of comparison. Under pressure, we do what we practiced, easiest reaction is fastest. Improvements are suspect for SS who had a lot to correct.


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DW has done next to nothing in years.

When he played for the Browns other than one game. He was awful.

He held the ball. He was late to recognize what was open. Moved from the pocket early. Then broke a bone in his shoulder.

That was followed by tearing his Achilles twice. There is nothing to be gained by starting him.

He will not be extended. No way.

The Browns have to find out what Shedeur can do with a team around him that has some weapons and at least an average OL.

This is now a young team. Myles is gone. Carson and Verse are new leaders on defense going forward.

It is time that a quarterback takes control of the offense and leads the offense.

That is not DW.

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In general, I won't disagree. The flip side is that I doubt we have a QB on the roster that can be more effective than him and they may be tempted by that.

On a side note, I remember making the case that even in his best years in Houston, he never really did all that much (despite his numbers). I've always felt he was more a product of his system and the insane WRs he always had (and the years he had a solid defense).


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Thanks for the memories, Bitonio!

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Good for Joel.

Great player for the Browns. Enjoy life beyond football.

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Great player and rep for the Browns. Enjoy your retirement Joel.


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Yikes.


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie


Yikes.

I love that little pause where Hall was like "wow, that really happened".


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie


Yikes.

Lol, mid-season form!

Pat the ball, scan field for 7 seconds and then chuck it into a stationary object. Hilarious.

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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie


Yikes.

Lol, mid-season form!

Pat the ball, scan field for 7 seconds and then chuck it into a stationary object. Hilarious.

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Not an issue. Hall put his arm up and Shedeur hit it to show how accurate he is! thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
Not an issue. Hall put his arm up and Shedeur hit it to show how accurate he is! thumbsup
rofl


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
#WatsonSZN

Current Vegas odds to start week 1:

Watson -194

Sanders +134

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Milk, that was hilarious. You mention some stuff that I feel are knocks on SS as starter, good reasons these are. Maybe another day. Not in 2026.


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I pegged Bond early last year as possible superstar. He passes that eye test. We could jump from weak to top 10 in the WR dept.




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I completely forgot about Bond. Wasn't he one of those guys that was lighting it up last year and then disappeared due to injury almost immediately??


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I don't know about "lighting it up immediately". He showed glimpses of his talent in every game he played, some of them jaw-dropping. He missed four games or so in the middle of the season with a foot injury (I think he was deemed "ready" but got an extra week to heal ahead of our bye week).

I remember thinking from the beginning that we're just not used to seeing WRs that wide open.

This was the dude signed as an UDFA. After the signing, it was rumored that we had been in contact with him for a while. He was considered a day 2 pick until sexual allegations surfaced right before the draft (later no-billed by a grand jury).


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Isaiah Bond's profile as an NFL wide receiver is built around world-class athleticism and specific mechanical skills that allow him to stress defenses vertically.

His elite traits include:

🚀 World-Class Speed and Acceleration

True Track Speed: Bond boasts verifiable, elite speed, clocking a official 4.39-second 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Instant Acceleration: He possesses rare "one-cut" acceleration, meaning he reaches top speed within his first three steps, allowing him to erase a defensive back’s cushion almost instantly.

Vertical Separation: His primary role is a field-stretcher; his speed forces safeties to play deep, opening up the intermediate passing game for his teammates.


📉 Sharp Route-Running Breaks

Hip Fluidity: Unlike many pure speed threats who run rounded routes, Bond can drop his hips and make sharp, 90-degree cuts without breaking his stride.

Stop-and-Start Ability: He uses his elite deceleration to snap off comeback and hitch routes, leaving cornerbacks coasting backward out of respect for his deep speed.


🏈 Elite Ball Tracking and Body Control

Deep-Ball Adjustments: He excels at tracking the football over his shoulder on deep posts and go-routes, adjusting his stride mid-flight to match the trajectory of the ball.

Sideline Awareness: Despite his smaller frame, he possesses great body control to keep his feet in bounds when making contested catches along the boundary.


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He's fast AND quick without the stereotypical stone-hands that usually plague track-star WRs. He looked good but we just didn't have enough under center and upfront to utilize his talent.


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I don't listen to local radio because I don't live in Ohio.

But I saw a clip from Tony Rizzo about the Browns taking calls to trade Shedeur.

I don't know Rizzo. However, that sure sounds like a fabrication.

What would Shedeur bring in a trade and who would trade for him? IMO you might get a fifth. Why would you trade him for a fifth? He was in OTA's taking first team reps. Monken has said no decision on the Qb has been made.

So, they would hand DW the job based upon what?

What team would trade for Shedeur? They don't know him. He has not played that great. He is still a question mark. Also the timing makes no sense. Teams have their rosters. They have been practicing. Why would a team bring in a young unproven QB now?

I guess radio guys like to throw mud out there just to stimulate a response.


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I agree, talking heads want listeners and will say just about anything to get a response.

In this case, I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns would prefer 4 QBs in training camp given all the new bodies at receiver. I don't think they would be looking to trade anyone for a 5th round pick. Maybe after a preseason game or two when they make some roster decisions.

With Sorsby off the table, a team looking for a young project to groom over the next few years might be interested based on what they have seen so far. Think a team like the Eagles. If they aren't liking what they see out of Cole Payton, someone like Shedeur might be in play. If you were choosing a guy for your roster today, would you rather have Sanders or Andy Dalton? Dalton is their current backup if Payton doesn't look good in camp.

At the end of the day, I agree, you wouldn't trade him for a 5th. However, if Watson looks like your starter and Sanders doesn't show enough to even make you think for a second you might not have to draft a QB in 2027... well, then a 3rd rounder would start to entice you quite a bit. We have Watson/Sanders showdown, then Gabriel or Green backup.. removing Sanders removes the question on the back end as well. Gabriel would be the backup with Green the emergency 3rd QB.

It comes down to if Sanders looks has traits Monken believes to be franchise capable AND if a team is willing to over pay.

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I view Rizzo and Mary Kay in the same light, as in they are connected to sources in town that provide decent information, but their opinions/takes are wildly horrible. That said, I can't stand Rizzo. MKC I can stand, just think she is a joke.

These front offices take calls all day, every day (hyperbole) regarding a host players so I won't dismiss that Sanders' name has come up. The question is (1) whether it was serious or not and (2) what is the value? My guess, based on how he played last year, the value is very low. I don't see a team trading for him based on any 2025 draft hype.


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I cannot understand what starting DW would accomplish.

He would have to look superior to Shedeur. I mean every player would have to think DW is the better player.

It would have to be a case where Monken would have no real choice other than DW. Shedeur then would be expendable because if he cannot beat DW. What would be his future in Cleveland?

The Browns did not sign a veteran. They didn't trade for a quarterback. They drafted a project who will probably be on the practice squad.

They traded Myles for a player and draft picks. Gabriel and Sanders were late round picks.

Clearly the plan is to draft a first round QB in 27.

Shedeur has to convince the team through play on the field that they don't need another quarterback.

He has to play in order to know one way or the other.

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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
These front offices take calls all day, every day (hyperbole) regarding a host players so I won't dismiss that Sanders' name has come up. The question is (1) whether it was serious or not and (2) what is the value? My guess, based on how he played last year, the value is very low. I don't see a team trading for him based on any 2025 draft hype.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Nothing to see here, folks.


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