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I was thinking a 4th, but again, I don't study it enough to place a risk reward factor on the matter. I know I wouldn't go with a 2nd rounder and have reservations about a 3rd round pick.

As you said, a 4th seems like a reasonable walk away price if it came down to that.

A 7th is to High. The LAST thing we need is Art Schlichter JR

Apparently, Todd Monken agrees with GMdawg.

This is what was reported over the weekend by Pete Mundo:

Speaking with reporters, Cleveland Browns head coach Todd Monken shut down any notion that Sorsby was under consideration by the organization.

Monken - “That’s not even come across my desk,” Monken said. “I like the quarterbacks that we have. I think that’s a slippery slope, when you go down that [road]. Irrespective of talent, in terms of the situation [Sorsby’s] put himself in, we all know what that is. He put himself in that situation. And we’ve seen in other sports with players that have been banned for life from playing in professional sports.”

Monken’s comments are among the strongest public remarks made by a coach regarding Sorsby’s situation since reports emerged surrounding the Texas Tech quarterback’s alleged involvement in sports gambling activities. The Browns entered the offseason with significant questions at quarterback, leading some observers to wonder whether the franchise could explore unconventional options. Monken’s comments suggest that is not under consideration.


So, there's that. Of course Monken isn't in charge of personnel until it comes down to the final roster. Berry could be thinking something different. I would be surprised if he didn't at least involve the HC if he was considering it.

Sorsby just had his appeal denied on Friday, but he still has a pending lawsuit against the NCAA. He had a judge rule in his favor, which at least temporarily re-instates his eligibility to play in 2026 at Texas Tech. I don't know if he would apply for a supplemental while that lawsuit is going on or not. He would have to do so though for the NFL to even think about having a supplemental. They don't just automatically do it. He has unto June 22nd to apply for the supplemental, then the NFL decides whether to hold it or not based on circumstances. As of today.. he is eligible for the NCAA, so no supplemental, I would assume.

At first, I thought Sorsby might be worth a shot and then I read how far into it he was. No thanks I'll pass. We don't need any more drama here. Sorsby may stay clean the rest of his life and never even buy a scratch ticket, but if he plays in the NFL people will never let him forget what he did. His mistakes on the field will always be questioned. Unfair to him but as they say you made your bed. Let him play somewhere else.

Sounds like Sorsby's best Bet is to head to the Raiders in Vegas.

Well there is a big difference in personalities at play imo.

Stefanski found it easy to insulate himself within the walls of "consensus". His response would be "I don't know, what do you think, I don't mind taking chances on personalities, what do the analytics say??"

Monken will look at you with a dead stare and ask you if you're bat $h*t crazy.

Just my take on the two personnas.

j/c...

Reading this thread a few things come to mind. I know I've bellowed til I'm blue in the face about them, but I feel that strongly...

You cannot just throw a bunch of people into the QB room and expect cream to rise to the top, it hardly ever works that way. Ever hear the expression throw bs at the wall and see what sticks? That's what it feels like when fans are always saying things like "what can it hurt"? It can hurt everything.

Oober mentioned the Manziel disaster, I'm just using his post as an example, not to pick on him (although he loves it when I do). He said it wasn't that we drafted him, it was where we drafted him. First the irony: we as fans were sold on the fact (by the talking heads) that we got such great value... because most thought he would be drafted sooner! Think about that.

Now, I do agree with the notion and intent of his post, for the most part. QBs that are drafted early put more pressure on the staff, have to shoulder more pressure themselves, and put more pressure on the other QBs, especially the incumbent starter.


Brian Hoyer was playing well. Not perfect, but well. Image me, a Browns fan, watching a QB that was 10-4 over his last 14 games being booed while my fellow masochists scream "Johnny! Johnny!" in the stadium.

After JFF almost led a comeback, a confused Hoyer responded to the first salivating reporter "this is still my team, nothing has changed". Our dad bod, garage-beer-drinking coach basically said "we'll have to look at the tape".

Hoyer was pissed when we drafted JFF... he was DONE when those words were spoken.

When you have two question marks in the room... you're on thin ice as far as moves that can be made.
When you have three... you're done. Your only move is drafting someone worth selling the farm for. Period. Not a project, and certainly not someone with a "checkered" past.

If we had anything close to a 10-4 QB in that room, you and I would be bellowing together. The talent level around our QBs (Oline, receivers) muddies the water a bit, but there's no way you can say with confidence that we have that guy on the roster. Maybe someone will establish themself this year, but if we're being brutally honest I don't think that guy lands on the roster until MAYBE after next year's draft.

Additionally, 2020 (playoff-Baker) was the last year we began and ended the year with the same QB. One could argue we could've done it the next year as Baker was playing with the shoulder... but not me. Each subsequent season (IIRC) we've been trotting 3+ QBs out there, except for the year we only used 2 (the Watson suspension year).

Ironically, Baker and Watson could both be headlining the 2027 free agency market. How weird is that?

He and Tampa haven't made any progress on an extension and his camp came out and said if it isn't done before training camp, he will be done negotiating and see what free agency brings. Supposedly he is looking for $60M+ per season.

It's hard to argue against that number. 3 years in Tampa and two playoff spots with a playoff win. He's averaging 66% passing, 32 TDs, 12 INTs and 4079 yards per season.


There is an article that came out this morning, "Could the Browns bring back Baker Mayfield in free agency"? The answer is no way in hell he would come back here.

This is a lot of QB talk in the Myles Garrett thread, lol...

I think the feeling is mutual from the FO's standpoint as well.

Devil's advocate: wasn't his issue primarily with KS? Wouldn't Monken be more inclined to let him sling it?


I think it's HIGHLY unlikely he ends up signing with us (mostly because Tampa won't let him walk), but if we have the cash, a coach and system he likes, and our young talent is showing promise (lots of if's) I don't see why we'd be on a no-fly list.

I don't want Art Sliester either. No doubt there is some risk.

As for Monkens statement....maybe it is a straight up comment, maybe it is smoke? I don' think we would want to advertise we want him.

It's a moot point now. The 4th District Judge in Texas granted his submission. He is cleared to play at Texas Tech this year with a two game suspension. We can reconvene this convo next year for the draft.

Myles Garrett traded, theme of this post-- not many players have lamented loudly the movement of Myles....."STARS" can be a PAIN- previous Coach ski must have had special rules for his star, late for/missed manatory meetings, speeding tickets galore, wants to be traded.....seems to me Myles was all in on Myles and NOT really a LEADER on Browns- and if so, he sure send poor messages-- hope our new young studs walk the walk, and talk the talk, are models on and off the field.....GO Browns!!!

PS- everyone has to take care of themselves in this world, earn what you can, but be on time, be good citizens, and give the job you have honest effort- we just had a left guard retire- he had none of Myles problems......Go Browns!!!!

I'm curious how many people are so sanctimonious that speeding tickets are high on their priority list? Or why at some point one of the best players in the league gets tired of losing?

Cherry picking again, speeding, you missed late for meetings, asked to be traded-- please tell us when Watson announced the hiring of Monken....when was that news conference.

That's only one particular angle. Other factors would be other MG issues regarding wanting to be traded. And another is that the team is rebuilding.

But - if we simply want to focus on speeding tickets - tell me how this is not a consistent pattern of behavior not to be concerned over: (from the web)

Myles Garrett has received at least nine speeding tickets and citations in Ohio since being drafted by the Cleveland Browns in 2017. While he has been cited for speeds reaching up to 120 mph, his most notable instances and documented tickets include:

February 21, 2026: Clocked going 94 mph in a 70-mph zone on Interstate 71 in Wayne County at 1:35 a.m. Bodycam footage revealed he was originally driving over 100 mph, but the deputy reduced the cited speed to 94 to avoid a mandatory court appearance. He paid a $157.50 fine.

August 9, 2025: Cited for driving 100 mph in a 60-mph zone in the Cleveland suburb of Strongsville. This stop happened early on a Saturday morning as he was returning from a preseason road game against the Carolina Panthers. It resulted in a $250 fine.

September 26, 2022: Involved in a high-profile, single-car rollover crash in Medina County. His Porsche went off the road, took out a fire hydrant, and flipped multiple times. He suffered shoulder and biceps sprains and was cited for failure to control his vehicle due to unsafe speeds (driving 65 mph on a 45-mph road). ((65mph!! LOL)

September 2021: Stopped twice in a 24-hour span on Interstate 71 for extreme speeds. He was clocked going 120 mph on one day, and 105 mph the very next day, resulting in combined fines of $554.

No doubt it is reckless behavior that is a pattern. It's not like he passed a cop having a bad day who was writing tickets for going 79 downhill in a 70 zone.

Good thing we traded Myles. It sounds like he could have developed into a problem!!😉

At first I thought Monken should play the QB who looked the best in preseason who gave us the best chance to win but really if it’s Watson it doesn’t do us much good. I feel we should play Shedeur if nothing else just to see what he can do. Watson will be gone after this season and we have to see what Shedeur can do so we can determine the teams future direction.

I think it pales in comparison to far more serious issues. I mean we have a guy who they paid a huge sum and gambled their future drafts for who is a sexual predator. So no, you'll have to excuse me if I'm not going to be up in arms over speeding tickets.

Why would someone think it's an issue because one of the best players in the league, after playing 9 seasons for this disaster of an organization, that even its own fans are frustrated with wanted to be traded to a winning team? How many more seasons do you think he has to play at this level? This FO still doesn't have a QB after all this time and even if they draft one next year it would be a minimum of two more seasons before the Browns could ever contend. Speaking only for myself I don't blame him.

I think people are pointing their finger in the wrong direction here. But it's not unusual for fans to love a guy when he's here and then give him hell as soon as he's gone.

I'm glad Joe Thomas stayed here his entire career and retired as a Brown. But he didn't owe that to anyone and if he had wanted to be traded I wouldn't have blamed him either.

I think we could be in for a lot of QB turmoil in 2026..If we aren't then we are playoff contenders, which will put a smile on all of our faces.

IF Sanders is not worthy of being the franchise guy, I hope upon hopes he plays well enough to garner some trade talk before the deadline to help in the search for the next guy.

I agree 100% that Watson does nothing for the future of the team, so I would rather he just fade into the sunset. If he doesn't get the starting nod off go, he will retreat into a world of how Cleveland didn't use him the right way and he will start campaigning for the off season. Either way, Sanders starting helps determine the future of this team. If he remains looking like a rookie lost in space, they will be losing, which puts them in position to win in the QB market of the draft. If he takes big strides, then the team is positioned for the playoffs and they can start playing games deep into January. If he can prove that he can win a playoff game in the 2026 season, we can start to quell the talk of QB in the draft. If he is playing just well enough that he looks half way decent, but they are still losing, he might be able to garner a 4th round pick in the draft which also helps the cause. Then if he is traded, Watson can come in if he doesn't implode, or we can throw Gabriel and Green in there to finish the season on a learning note.

Right now, I want to win, no matter what that means. I don't trust Watson to win, so I am on the train of thought to give Sanders every opportunity to prove himself.


Would it be an issue if he kills someone? Driving that erratically is a public nuisance. I love Myles Garrett the player and even his personality off the field, but it IS an issue that could have dire results if he doesn't clean it up. I don't put it on the same level of sexual predator, but I do put it on a similar level as domestic violence. He is putting human life in harms way negligently.

I'm not dancing on his Browns grave by any means, I'm just not dismissing some peoples point of view on the matter.

I didn't say it wasn't an issue. Pay closer attention next time.

I think it pales in comparison to far more serious issues.

You must have forgotten the old adage........... Coulda, shoulda, woulda didn't.

Sure you can make up a scenario of "But what if" all you like. It's become quite popular.

deny deny deny, must make it far lessor of an issue.

The point is, he is breaking the law and many times lives have been lost from others driving the way he does. MY POINT was, by administering the act, he is raising the probability of it going from a far less serious issue right into that far more serious issue. Drive safely and you are far less likely to be involved in a serious accident that hurts him and others. He has already proven his driving causes accidents, he just got lucky no one was killed.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda, DID.. it actually happened, it's just that he didn't hurt anyone else in the process, which was a miracle since there was a passenger with him... that time...

If this is that high on your priority list of the laws NFL players have broken you really need to take another look at things.


As I said, coulda, shoulda, woulda didn't.

Ohio State Highway Patrol (OSHP) alone issues around 100,000 to 106,000 speed violations annually. That doesn't even include county and city police forces.

It's more than that, it's actually 214,121 citations in the past 12 months (Just OSHP) statepatrol.ohio.gov/dashboards-statistics/ostats-dashboards/speed-dashboard , but, Of those violations only 9,756 are 30+ MPH category which is where Myles is trending....then 71,624 in the 20-29 MPH range, which is considered high speed related.

The state also sees approximately 27,000-30,000 speed related crashes annually. THIRTY THOUSAND that are attributed to speed.

Letting your 5 year old play with a loaded gun... He could've hurt himself... woulda shoulda coulda didn't... great philosophy in life..

You are a great debater in your own mind.

I'm not the one making a mountain out of speeding tickets like someone shot my mom.

"trending"? Oh my.....

Yes you are, someone makes a comment on his speeding tickets, IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARAGRAPH OF ISSUES. And you single out the one thing you wanted to focus on.

And... yes... "trending"

His driving record includes several high-speed infractions and a severe single-car crash:February 21, 2026: Garrett was pulled over in Wayne County, Ohio, for driving 94 mph in a 70-mph zone on Interstate 71. Bodycam footage revealed he was originally clocked driving over 100 mph, but the deputy reduced the cited speed so he could avoid a mandatory court appearance.August 9, 2025: He was cited in Strongsville, Ohio, after being clocked driving 100 mph in a 60-mph zone.September 2022: Garrett was involved in a single-car rollover crash in which his Porsche flipped several times off the side of the road. He and his female passenger suffered minor injuries, and he was cited for "failure to control his motor vehicle" at an unsafe speed.2021: He was pulled over for speeding twice in a 24-hour span. During those stops, he was cited for driving 120 mph and 105 mph in 70-mph zones.May 2020: He was cited for driving 100 mph in a 65-mph zone near Akron.Other Infractions: Garrett was also issued speeding tickets in 2018 and 2019, including a 2019 incident where he was clocked going 91 mph in a 60-mph zone.


Nearly all of his citations show speeds exceeding 30+ MPH over the limit.... that is the definition of trending.

You make some of the dumbest arguments, just to argue. Then you'll spew some insults to claim victory. LOL As always, it's been fun winning the debate. As trivial as that debate may be.

If you think it's so "trivial" why have you spent all of this time posting and concentrating on it? Your actions do not line up with your words. In case you missed it, I'm not the one who engaged with you first. You took that all upon yourself to make the initial engagement and then try to make it sound as if I initiated the back and forth with you. Connect the dots is not your strong suit.

Because it's fun, I thought that much was obvious.

I never said you initiated it with me, you initiated it with Hitt... then Hitt responded to your post, then MGH responded to your post, then you responded back to all those posts, making it seem that it is a really important issue to YOU.. THEN I finally respond and you go on a tirade of insults because you started realizing how silly your argument was. Pretty cut and dry.