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JD Vance Says He’s Doing ‘God’s Work’ and ‘If That Leads to the End Times, Ok’

Vice President JD Vance claimed that he is "doing as much of God's work as possible," and added that he is at peace if doing so means bringing about the end times.

Vance sat for an interview on Monday's edition of the Bryce Crawford Podcast, hosted by a 22-year-old evangelical Christian.

"What do you think about the end times?" Bryce Crawford asked, referring to the Christian belief that the world as we currently know it will someday end, and that Jesus will return. "Do you think it's here? Do you think it's coming?"

Vance replied that he has "always been fascinated" by eschatology and stated that the Antichrist, a figure in Christian lore who will allegedly pose as a Jesus-like figure, may be "walking among us." The vice president also added that he is "ok" with his actions leading to the end times if that is what happens:

Do I think that we're in the end times? I don't know. And I think that it's probably bad for me spiritually to focus too much on it because there are like, things that you gotta do. I gotta be good to my wife. I gotta be good to my kids. I have to be as good of a leader as I can for the United States of America. And so, I think that focusing on – while I'm fascinated by it – focusing on it is, too much of it can be very bad. I think that there are like, things about the world that make me feel like not shocked if the Antichrist was walking among us. But again, I try not to focus too much on it.

So, I tend to think like, while I wouldn't be shocked if we are living in the end times, what I'm trying to focus on is doing as much of God's work as possible right now. And if that leads to the end times, ok. And if that leads to you know, us building a better world that thrives and survives for a very long time after I'm gone, that's great too.


Vance converted to Catholicism in 2019. At the time, he explained, "I became persuaded over time that Catholicism was true. I was raised Christian, but never had a super-strong attachment to any denomination, and was never baptized. When I became more interested in faith, I started out with a clean slate, and looked at the church that appealed most to me intellectually."

Vance is a former protege of billionaire Palantir founder Peter Thiel, who himself has fixated on the Antichrist. Earlier this year, Thiel delivered a series of lectures on the topic in the Vatican.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/jd-vance-says-doing-god-223836378.html

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
while I wouldn't be shocked if we are living in the end times, what I'm trying to focus on is doing as much of God's work as possible right now. And if that leads to the end times, ok. And if that leads to you know, us building a better world that thrives and survives for a very long time after I'm gone, that's great too.[/i]

I am sure there are many (on this very board) that will try to justify this. Maybe just ignore it while then paying much attention to what some random left wing looney says or does .... but this should be deeply troubling.

While Vance is alledgedly a christian - having such a "if god wills it" sort of attitude is simply scary.... what is then the response from these types of people when there is a Muslim, Hindus, Sikhs or other religion ... maybe even a Zoroastrian - and they believe they are doing god's work and it doesn't neccary jive with what Vance wants to espouse?? I am sure they all belive they are true belivers ... and they believe there's is the only real and proper God, and they believe in their religion fervently because they are devout and they are pious, or maybe zealous or radical.


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I don't really see anything to justify in what Vance said in the quoted part of the interview. I see more fearmongering in your and Pit's responses.

Admitting there are things you can't control isn't that scary or nuts to me. If there's a God and he decides to end the world, there's nothing any person can do about it. All you can do is what you think is right. If he's doing what he thinks is right, and the world ends, he believes he knows where he is going, so why wouldn't he be "ok" with it? What's the proper approach?

I disagree with a lot of what Vance does and says, but the article seems to be slanting the perception of what was actually said in this instance with loaded language. The writer trying to tie this to someone else's alleged fixation with the Antichrist is the "wing nut" part to me.

What do you want Christians to do? Be afraid and try to avoid "God's plan"? Not do "God's work"?

Calling what any "good Christian" is supposed to do/believe wing nuts is just a bit strange to me.


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It's all in the interpretation.

He didn't say "there are things I can't control and I am focusing on what I think are the right decisions for the country." .... he said "what I'm trying to focus on is doing as much of God's work as possible right now. And if that leads to the end times, ok"

You can - as you do - argue one thing sounds exactly like the other. I disagree.


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Yes, somehow in your desire to bring about anything you can involving a question mark you think quoting what he said as strange and you don't find the fact he openly admits he is going to focus his every decision based on religion and let the consequences part of his thought process carry no weight seems perfectly normal and pointing that out is fear mongering? Come on man.


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Yes, somehow in your desire to bring about anything you can involving a question mark you think quoting what he said as strange and you don't find the fact he openly admits he is going to focus his every decision based on religion and let the consequences part of his thought process carry no weight seems perfectly normal and pointing that out is fear mongering? Come on man.

I think you're reading too much into a response to an end times-centric question from a Christian podcaster about his general philosophy and trying to apply it to his decision making in office. Never does he say every decision will be based on religion.

That seems to be others (including the writer and you) bringing their own biases and trying to stir things up.


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Can you tell me what decisions in his life outside of his office could possibly ever remotely bring about the end of times ??? No, neither can I. Not a real one anyway... I mean someone being a troll or trying to gaslight might argue some bizarre butterfly effect scenario whereby he causes a quadrillion upon trillion to 1 chance of some chain reaction .....

So when he talks about him doing god's work and if it leads to the end of times, he is without doubt talking about his decision making in office.

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How would you respond to a question about the end times on a religious podcast? Would you not refer to them at all?

It's sort of a weird question to have to respond to, especially when someone later tries to take it out of context. It's not like he brought it up out of the blue. He's replying to a specific inquiry in a specific forum. They also cut out a decent bit of his response (the [...] in the original link that Pit didn't include in his version.)

Trying to apply a portion of his response to a specific question to all decisions seems a reach to me.

Like if a reporter asked him in the White House how he makes decisions, I'm pretty sure the end times never come up. But when asked about the end times on a Christian podcast, there are only so many ways it is likely to go. Since that was the place and question, to me, it makes sense where it went.


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"What do you think about the end times?" Bryce Crawford asked, referring to the Christian belief that the world as we currently know it will someday end, and that Jesus will return. "Do you think it's here? Do you think it's coming?"

This was the question.

My answer, and I'll even phrase it as it I'm a Christian.

"All any of us can do is be the best version of our Christian self we can be, being that we have no insight or control of that event"

I don't imply any decision I might make could influence or bring about the end of times.

Sure it's a weird question. 100%. While it's open to interpretation, I also think it's a freaky weird answer.... No matter how you try to reframe it.

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Weird I'll give you.

Pit's "focus his every decision based on religion and let the consequences part of his thought process carry no weight" seems to be a bridge or several too far for me.


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