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I agree....at least a guy who makes 70 mil.

Between Wright, McDonald, Holley, and Bodden, we are in pretty good shape.

If a decent player is there in round 6, or one of the top prospects somehow drops to our pick(that won't happen) maybe draft one....you can always use corners on kick teams.

the only good thing I can say about clemens is that his production went up in every catagory that matters... tackles up by 22 and picks up by 1 and pd went down a lil (6) but FF and FR were still about the same.

The other thing is that SF lost 2 more games then they did the previous year.

My question is How much is one player really worh?

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If we did sign Samuel right away and it was based on preliminary discussions in Indy, isn't that the very definition of 'tampering'?

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only if your backup qb admits to it in a press conference....even then it doesn't matter

As always...It's gotta be tagged as "Rumor" due to that tampering thang...But numbers ARE thrown around with agents...We know that happens all the time...

DAMN...I'm a bit surprised at this...Actually maybe not...Think about this...

Front 7 wise there's NO STUD available any longer with Suggs/Haynesworth and the like being tagged...The remaining Defensive Linemen won't come with huge $$$ attached...IE Tommy Kelly/Darwin Walker...The most expensive OLB out there will be Calvin Pace...WAY lower than Suggs...

Could this be Plan B...With no STUD DL available...We go to the next area for a STUD that will make us stronger???...Samuels would get Bodden into the SLOT where he played extremely well last year...And Macdonald and Holly into the Dime packages...Corner IS one area that if we got STUD-LIKE in FA...It rolling ball affects DEPTH...

This is interesting...

Samuels CB
Pace OLB
Kelly/Walker/Sopoago DL

VERSY...Whatcha make of this???...And don't just say "It's dumb to go after a Corner"...

I see where Savage would be going with this...We WON'T be missing anything on the Front 7 if we signed Samuels...There's NOTHING in the big buck area available as it is...We won't be taking Front 7 money and throwing it outside...

DO NOT let the $99M figure blow u away...The $$$ figure means squat...It's the layout for yearly Cap Hits that count...Lerner's money means about as much to me as your having a 38 1/2 Vertical...lmao...

What would Samuels DO FOR US???

#1 it frees up Pool to not have to worry about the ENTIRE field deep...We don't split the deeps like a Cover 2 D does...But I can see this allowing Pool to only need to watch 2/3rds of the deep stuff...Samuels is a solid man-up corner...One thing I do notice about him is he's got EXCEPTIONAL Closing Speed...And he can stay with ANY Wide-Out in the league...

Any time we lose Bodden for a game...Our Corners go downhill FAST...We end up with Wright and Holly in there with Macdonald at nickel...That's MAJOR inexperience...Samuels produces SOLID DEPTH...

Hmmmmmmmmm.....................

I deleted the reference since it's a "Rumor"...

I guess it comes down to what they want to do with the cap money. If they feel they have it and must spend it- who knows, they just might get into a bidding war for Samuel or Briggs.

I see the browns with several options reguarding the cap:
1. resign current players- that would make Winslow happy.

2. Over spend for the d-line players that are available. I say overspend because in a diluted market, these guys well get more then they are really worth. But if structured correctly, front loaded, it should make them easier to replace once we can add the correct guys through the draft.

3. Over spend on one guy. Sure, signing Samuel should make the corners better. But how much did that guy benefit from the NewEngland line. And look at SanFran from last year, one guy did not fix their problems. IF he is asked to cover his guy for another couple of seconds- can he do it???

And one more thought, if we are looking at corner- what about the other patriot- Randall Gay?

Front 7 wise there's NO STUD available any longer with Suggs/Haynesworth and the like being tagged...The remaining Defensive Linemen won't come with huge $$$ attached...IE Tommy Kelly/Darwin Walker...The most expensive OLB out there will be Calvin Pace...WAY lower than Suggs...
Could this be Plan B...With no STUD DL available...We go to the next area for a STUD that will make us stronger???...Samuels would get Bodden into the SLOT where he played extremely well last year...And Macdonald and Holly into the Dime packages...Corner IS one area that if we got STUD-LIKE in FA...It rolling ball affects DEPTH...



I thought the same thing immediately..with no high priced FA available..U can't let the money just sit there..so they use it..however this early we don't know what will happen..

I think the money could be spent better elsewhere. I'm not in Savage's head but we have no 1st round pick. Who is to say that Savage is going to get us back into the 1st round? Maybe he signs Samuel and considers him our "1st round pick". Who knows, but I still think the money could be better spent.

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VERSY...Whatcha make of this???...And don't just say "It's dumb to go after a Corner"...

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Okay, I won't just say that. *L*

I don't believe in giving corners a ton of money. They are valuable, but I don't think they can turn your team around. I also think we are okay at cb. I think our problems are on the front seven and at FS. I think the corners and SS are fine.

In other words.........."It's dumb to go after a Corner".

If we feel like we can work it in, why not??

My initial feeling was it didn't make sense, but if we can do it and not screw things up....why not??

He is a upgrade.

Really what good is 20-30 million dollars as cap space..?

It certainly wont help us win any games, I mean no one else is available. What else should we do with the money?

save it for when someone worthwhile is....

Loki I agree to a point. At this juncture we have lots of cap space but very little we can do to address the team needs. So while I would be for using the cap space on a rental bases, I wouldn't make any real long term commitments to position players that aren't of real need to us at this point. I agree with the theory that you can never have to many good players, but then again it depends on what those players represent. Are they just a bit better, or are they worlds better, and what price tag do they carry?

Yes we could go out and sign someone for the sake of some improvement and use up the cap space we have, but not on a long term bases for a player we could do without. If for instance we were to sign a AS I would include a signing bonus up front in the 1st year of the contract and dump his ass the minute a player of true need came along, thus the rental theory... Same goes for the upcoming FA period where it's highly unlikely will get a real stud. That leaves us with the left overs, while I would be for getting the best of whats left, it's likely we will be fourced to overpay. I would structure these players contracts so if we decide to move on later the hit to the cap would be minium or not at all. Rent them don't buy them. If you buy your comminted, and more importantly your cap dollars are commited... Look for PS to protect the cap space, it's important to have some dollars in reserve for when you have a chance to get what you really want, and not just buy whats available..

JMHO

Brown to the Bone

Phil's famous....SMOKE SCREEN.....or is it....

Refering to your 2nd paragraph. You would think every manger in the NFL would do this, wouldn't ya Brown to the Bone? But none do. There's gotta be a reason. May be owners want to save money. But even the Redskins don't do it that way.


As to Asante, I'd be fine with him on our team. He's definitely better than Clemments, and IMO is one of the top CBs in the league. He'll match up starting with Eric Wright, and we'll have a great CB tandem. I think it was Diam who talked about how CBs save you on third downs. They're drive killers. I think I agree with that argument now. 3rd and long, it's on the CBs to get the job done.

Asante has good instincts and great speed. I think mixing him with Eric Wright would be great. We'd still need a LB and NT, but it definitely would be an upgrade. I loved Bodden but I feel like he's on his way out, the ankle injuries were a killer and he didn't play at the same level this season. Even with his interceptions. He seems to have lost speed.

No matter what, it's good to have a lot of CBs. They seem to get injured a lot. Re-Sign Holly and sign Asante. We have Asante, EW, Bodden, McDonald, Holly. How many CBs do we suit up?

It will be important when the Browns have to start handing out big money deals to guys like Wimbley, K2, Anderson, Edwards, etc. The stars in the NFL are getting bigger hits in free agency now, so that $30 million might not be what it used to be.

Speaking of FA......Didnt see this anywhere, delete if already posted

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INDIANAPOLIS – Seven-time Pro Bowl linebacker Zach Thomas agreed to terms on a one-year, $3 million contract with the Dallas Cowboys on Saturday morning, agent Drew Rosenhaus said. The contract breaks down as $1 million in base pay, $1 million in signing bonus and $1 million in incentives.

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The big news is Samuel could be headed to Tampa...that would be sick with him and Barber.

February 29, 2008, 5:13 PM ET
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PHILADELPHIA -- The Eagles have signed free-agent cornerback Asante Samuel.


Asante Samuel

Cornerback
New England Patriots

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2007 Season Stats Tot Solo Ast FF Sack Int
46 43 3 0 0 6

The Eagles agreed to a six-year contract on Friday with Samuel, who spent the last five seasons with New England and had 16 interceptions the last two years.

Samuel also tied the NFL career playoff record with three interceptions returned for TDs.

Philadelphia had only 11 interceptions last year and failed to score a defensive touchdown. Its defense had an NFL-worst 19 takeaways.

The Eagles will likely trade or shift positions for either Lito Sheppard or Sheldon Brown.

Samuel, a two-time Pro Bowl selection with two Super Bowl rings, has 22 career interceptions. He was protected by New England last year by the franchise player tag.