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As for where the military recruits, yea they do hit the poor neighborhoods. But they also hit the farming communities as well. Yea, MOST who serve do come from the less advantaged background. BUT NOT ALL. Ecomomics and education do play a role, but I don't beleive race does.

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You adore the flag...to me it means nothing.

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...and your exclamation marks mean nothing to me!!!

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wow, it's just a flag. and all a flag is, is fabric with colors.

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Why am I not surprised that such a shallow comment comes from someone who puts "African" BEFORE American.

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wow, it's just a flag. and all a flag is, is fabric with colors.

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Why am I not surprised that such a shallow comment comes from someone who puts "African" BEFORE American.

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Would you feel better if I said American-African?

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This is the same country that put 3/4 before human.

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This is the same country that put 3/4 before human.

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Do you mean was?????

Is is the "present tense".

Was is the "past tense".

And I've never seen anyone "truely move forward" by "living in the past".

JMHO

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You all want blend everything into one culture...it'll never happen. That's not what America is about...it's the place where you're free to be you.

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... There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.

For an American citizen to vote as a German-American, an Irish-American, or an English-American, is to be a traitor to American institutions; and those hyphenated Americans who terrorize American politicians by threats of the foreign vote are engaged in treason to the American Republic.

Americanization

The foreign-born population of this country must be an Americanized population - no other kind can fight the battles of America either in war or peace. It must talk the language of its native-born fellow-citizens, it must possess American citizenship and American ideals. It must stand firm by its oath of allegiance in word and deed and must show that in very fact it has renounced allegiance to every prince, potentate, or foreign government. It must be maintained on an American standard of living so as to prevent labor disturbances in important plants and at critical times. None of these objects can be secured as long as we have immigrant colonies, ghettos, and immigrant sections, and above all they cannot be assured so long as we consider the immigrant only as an industrial asset. The immigrant must not be allowed to drift or to be put at the mercy of the exploiter. Our object is to not to imitate one of the older racial types, but to maintain a new American type and then to secure loyalty to this type. We cannot secure such loyalty unless we make this a country where men shall feel that they have justice and also where they shall feel that they are required to perform the duties imposed upon them. The policy of "Let alone" which we have hitherto pursued is thoroughly vicious from two stand-points. By this policy we have permitted the immigrants, and too often the native-born laborers as well, to suffer injustice. Moreover, by this policy we have failed to impress upon the immigrant and upon the native-born as well that they are expected to do justice as well as to receive justice, that they are expected to be heartily and actively and single-mindedly loyal to the flag no less than to benefit by living under it.

We cannot afford to continue to use hundreds of thousands of immigrants merely as industrial assets while they remain social outcasts and menaces any more than fifty years ago we could afford to keep the black man merely as an industrial asset and not as a human being. We cannot afford to build a big industrial plant and herd men and women about it without care for their welfare. We cannot afford to permit squalid overcrowding or the kind of living system which makes impossible the decencies and necessities of life. We cannot afford the low wage rates and the merely seasonal industries which mean the sacrifice of both individual and family life and morals to the industrial machinery. We cannot afford to leave American mines, munitions plants, and general resources in the hands of alien workmen, alien to America and even likely to be made hostile to America by machinations such as have recently been provided in the case of the two foreign embassies in Washington. We cannot afford to run the risk of having in time of war men working on our railways or working in our munition plants who would in the name of duty to their own foreign countries bring destruction to us. Recent events have shown us that incitements to sabotage and strikes are in the view of at least two of the great foreign powers of Europe within their definition of neutral practices. What would be done to us in the name of war if these things are done to us in the name of neutrality?

One America

All of us, no matter from what land our parents came, no matter in what way we may severally worship our Creator, must stand shoulder to shoulder in a united America for the elimination of race and religious prejudice. We must stand for a reign of equal justice to both big and small. We must insist on the maintenance of the American standard of living. We must stand for an adequate national control which shall secure a better training of our young men in time of peace, both for the work of peace and for the work of war. We must direct every national resource, material and spiritual, to the task not of shirking difficulties, but of training our people to overcome difficulties. Our aim must be, not to make life easy and soft, not to soften soul and body, but to fit us in virile fashion to do a great work for all mankind. This great work can only be done by a mighty democracy, with these qualities of soul, guided by those qualities of mind, which will both make it refuse to do injustice to any other nation, and also enable it to hold its own against aggression by any other nation. In our relations with the outside world, we must abhor wrongdoing, and disdain to commit it, and we must no less disdain the baseness of spirit which lamely submits to wrongdoing. Finally and most important of all, we must strive for the establishment within our own borders of that stern and lofty standard of personal and public neutrality which shall guarantee to each man his rights, and which shall insist in return upon the full performance by each man of his duties both to his neighbor and to the great nation whose flag must symbolize in the future as it has symbolized in the past the highest hopes of all mankind.

From Philip Davis (ed.), Immigration and Americanization (Boston: Ginn and Company, 1920)

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I ask that you respect my decision to put my heritage above all else...that's MY decision, which doesn't need approval from you, Arch, GM, Navy, or whoever else has a problem with it.

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OHHH you want to drag me into this . Don't make me take you out at the knees big boy.

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And wasn't it 3/5, not 3/4, of a human?

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you think if we were at war with Mexico we would leave thousands of mexicans living around key strategic points? we would be stupid if we did, cause if i was a mexican general i would mass my troops from there and attack...

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I'm sorry, but for some reason, the thought of war with Mexico brings images of this

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That's the same FDR who authorized concentration camps for "japanese-americans" during WWII.

And wasn't it 3/5, not 3/4, of a human?

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Sorry, I was never good with fractions.

Seems I was giving the founding fathers too much credit!

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I ask that you respect my decision to put my heritage above all else...that's MY decision, which doesn't need approval from you, Arch, GM, Navy, or whoever else has a problem with it.

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OHHH you want to drag me into this . Don't make me take you out at the knees big boy.

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Don't make a promise you can't keep

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No, I never served in the military, never wanted to...I figured Uncle Sam dipped into my family enough.

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Or maybe they had a little more pride than you towards the country that has given them so much. Course the flag means nothing to you , because this country apparently means nothing to you . Man both you and your rhetoric are tired and sad. You are the first one to bring up the race card then get indignant when someone calls you out on it. African-American ? If the African part of you is so important then go there and lend a hand , God knows they need it , instead of sitting in this country looking for any EXCUSE to cry about the inequities of the system . I'm guessing you won't because deep down you know what you are about and it ain't helping your so called brothers.

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He seems to forget, yes, it was the "white man" that enslaved him, but it was also the "white man" who set his people free.

We get ALL of the blame, yet none of the glory. Ever notice how "one sided" that is?

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and as far as the japanese go, what was he supposed to do? it wasen't like they were a huge part of the population...

they were Americans, and i'm sure they were probably all here legally too...after pearl harbor one could argue that they were put somewhere safe, to prevent hate crimes, and to eliminate them as possible spys inside the country...you don't think the japs had spys checking out pearl harbor?

you think if we were at war with Mexico we would leave thousands of mexicans living around key strategic points? we would be stupid if we did, cause if i was a mexican general i would mass my troops from there and attack...

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I don't think the "white man" deserved the glory in correcting his mistake,

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Once one makes a mistake and understands such, what else can he, or is he supposed to do but "correct it"?

Do you have any idea of how many "whites" died to help gain that freedom?



Listenning to you, I guess they fought and died in vain huh?

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Should we just round up all the Arabs and put em in camps right now?

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All is well?

Nope, it "never is". Our education system is falling behind, our medical system is a rip off and big business is pretty much running the country.

Now if we could pull together "as a team" to change and improve "our country" and make it "better" instead of dwelling on "slavery" (you know, an issue "addressed LONG AGO") maybe this country would be "better in the long run for EVERYBODY"??????

You see, if everyone realised the REAL battle is between "rich and poor" NOT "black and white" maybe we could get somewhere.

And as long as the rich "keep us divided" we will NEVER get anywhere!!!!!

That's the reality of it all. Keep the little man divided by race while we laugh all the way to the bank!

And some of you are falling for that same old game generation after generation.

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Can I make up for it? Come on down, we'll sit with the Cubans, Mexicans, Haitians, Americans, Germans, Italians, British, Scottish, Finnish, and even a few Canadians and drink some rum while we watch the snow fall on the Weather channel and the tide go out in 82* weather.

How's that?

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I'll drink with all of them except the Canadians.

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For the record, yes, I have been called the n word.

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So have I, and I'm white

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perhaps SHOULD have been -- arrested).

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For carrying a knife in public with longer than a 2" blade he could have been