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That’s ridiculous and mean spirited.
I never said that, nor did I imply it.
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Funny, that's exactly what I thought of you and your comment. You know darn well the reason he rants and complains is because of his business. And you think it's funny because YOU got your way, and seem to always want to rub that in to him and others. So yeah, your quote above is dead on.....if you look in the mirror. 
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That’s ridiculous and mean spirited.
Funny, that's exactly what I thought of you and your comment. You know darn well the reason he rants and complains is because of his business. And you think it's funny because YOU got your way, and seem to always want to rub that in to him and others. So yeah, your quote above is dead on.....if you look in the mirror.
That funny as hell.
I could care less whether I got “my way”. You’re construing a bunch of ill will out of thin air. As much as you and others hate it, I can’t love it as much?
Then you go on to say I think it’s funny I got my way and that I rub it in.
It was a small poke at a guy who loves to take shots at me, and you turn it into this grand plot to make fun of IRE for losing business.
Get a grip.
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You crack homeboys head open for being uneducated when buying a house.
Then you jump on me for having a little fun.
Sheeesh you’re ornery today!
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Sorry, I see what I see. It's not affecting me in the least, I love going to restaurants with no smoking. I just believe the bar owners should have the right to decide what happens in their bars.
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Then you jump on me for having a little fun.
Sheeesh you’re ornery today!
You need the real story on that one, and you know where to go to get it. 
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 That went so far over my head and didn’t even hear the “whoosh” as it went by.
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Sorry, I see what I see. It's not affecting me in the least, I love going to restaurants with no smoking. I just believe the bar owners should have the right to decide what happens in their bars.
Your entitled to your line of thinking and I am entitled to poke at people to get a rise out of them.
IF that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black I don’t know what is. LOL
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Sorry, I see what I see. It's not affecting me in the least, I love going to restaurants with no smoking. I just believe the bar owners should have the right to decide what happens in their bars.
HMMM but when someone else sees what they see the they are a know it all.
Putting that aside, going by your train of thought, shouldnt restaurant owners have the right to decide what happens in their business also??
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Oh, I love messing with people, I just don't think it's appropriate to do to someone about something that affects their life, and I don't do that.
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Sorry, I see what I see. It's not affecting me in the least, I love going to restaurants with no smoking. I just believe the bar owners should have the right to decide what happens in their bars.
HMMM but when someone else sees what they see the they are a know it all.
Putting that aside, going by your train of thought, shouldnt restaurant owners have the right to decide what happens in their business also??
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You sure butt into a lot of my conversations. You think you have to help all these guys out? LOL. 
Seeing what a particular person is doing by his actions on the board and making judgements about an entire state by driving by a few bars is quite different. You know that, but you are one of the "king's" of twisting and trying to tie together unrelated matters just to make your point. I'm wise to it.
Yes, I think business owners should have the right to allow or disallow a legal substance to be used in their establishments.
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I have said many times in the past that I enjoy discussing/debating topics with you 
I never disputed at all that some bar owners receipts are down, I just wonder how bad it really is since I dont see many bars going under. Also people I talk to that go and drink, and smoke, all seem to continue to go out and drink.
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Okay, I think a lot of them are hanging on to see if things will improve, which they might, or they are trying different things to bring in more people and seeing if those things work. A lot of them are probably making enough to get by but many of them have taken a good hit to their bottom line.
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Here's my useless opinion. I hate it when people smoke around me. The smell of it and the way it occasionally makes my athsma act up. But I still think that this ban is a load of crap. Business owners should have the right to make their own decision on the matter. It is a PRIVATE establishment and yet we, the people, are the ones deciding if we can smoke there or not. I don't think that any of us who voted for it own that bar affected by this. It is one thing to ban smoking in public places such as schools or anything like that. That works because these places belongs to the people deciding and the people are the ones using them.
All of this said, my experiences going to bars and bowling alleys are now much improved.
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Let mne ask you a serious question ...... and I'd ask it of those same bar owners you refer to as well ........
Is it a matter of the money not going into your business because people can't smoke, and if so, where are those people spending those dollars instead of your place? Or ..... if some businesses are hurting ...... is it really because of a smoking ban .... or is it because of high energy and gasoline prices?
Oh ... and I never claimed to know all .... that's territory for other posters to stake claim to. All I can say is what I see in this area .... and that's a pretty consistent bar business.
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Is it a matter of the money not going into your business because people can't smoke, and if so, where are those people spending those dollars instead of your place? Or ..... if some businesses are hurting ...... is it really because of a smoking ban .... or is it because of high energy and gasoline prices?
A bar owner who says he's losing A LOT of money explained it to me like this...
People still come into the bar, but after a few drinks, they are outside smoking (can't take the drinks) more than they are inside. Then the non-smoking friends of the smokers eventually go hang outside to socialize. When people are outside smoking they aren't inside drinking. He said the drinks sit and get warm.
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When people are outside smoking they aren't inside drinking. He said the drinks sit and get warm.
If they have a patio, then they can bring their drinks outside. Problem solved...
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When people are outside smoking they aren't inside drinking. He said the drinks sit and get warm.
If they have a patio, then they can bring their drinks outside. Problem solved...
Which is what a whole lot of bars around the YTown area have done.
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Sure, if there's room for a patio. What do the bars in strip malls do? Folks usually have to head out the front door.
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When people are outside smoking they aren't inside drinking. He said the drinks sit and get warm.
If they have a patio, then they can bring their drinks outside. Problem solved...
Have you ever sat outside trying to drink when it's 10 degrees 
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Oddly enough, I have seen patios on bars in strip plazas as well.
There probably is no solution that will make everyone in the entire state happy. However, I can't think of any other situation that would have a universally embraced solution either. Allow smoking and the non-smokers gag and are unhappy. Ban smoking and the smokers fume. In the end however, the issue was put to the voters ....... and that's probably the fairest way to do it.
I believe that 32 or so of the states now have some sort of indoor smoking restrictions or bans. I suspect that more states will follow suit as time passes.
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I'm a ninja, this ban doesnt effect me at all. I feel bad for my buddies that do smoke.
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When people are outside smoking they aren't inside drinking. He said the drinks sit and get warm.
If they have a patio, then they can bring their drinks outside. Problem solved...
Have you ever sat outside trying to drink when it's 10 degrees
Yes I have. At many Browns games and with my friends when they are standing outside of the bar smoking...
Also - can't the patios be enclosed? I've seen this at many bars...
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You've seen their books then?
You have?
All of them? In all 88 counties?
As some Head Coach once said ..... "I can only go by what I see". What I see in this area is bars still open for business ..... most of them having new smoking patios, and (apparently) lots of happy patrons. Further, I don't see bars going out of business in this area. If anyone in the Youngstown area can give me a list of bars who have boarded up in the past year, then maybe I'd revise my opinion ...... but I personally haven't seen many ... and I can't recall a single one that didn't have other legal issues that closed them down.
Nope.....I haven't seen the books for all of the establishments in all of the counties, just as you haven't done a parking lot census.
I have, however, been the bookkeeper for an establishment and have seen the books on several other establishments.
You count cars and patios and claim that is an indicator that the ban has not harmed business while I have seen the bottom line. There are those on here that are personally experiencing a problem with their own bottom line in regard to this topic.
It's not as simple as just building a patio, nor is that even effective during approximately 5 months out of the year in Ohio due to the weather. Nor is it as simple to state that just because an establishment has not "boarded up" then they are doing just fine and dandy.
Cars in the parking lot, people standing outside on patios and no boarded up windows......yeah, that's a hell of an argument.
People did NOT KNOW what they were voting for. I'm fully aware that it was right there in black and white, but as happens with many state issues on the ballot there is tons of misinformation bandied about prior to people going to the polls, and the issues themselves on the ballot are oftentimes printed in a manner in which many people cannot read and garner an understanding of which way they want to go to reflect their own wishes. This is not my opinion, this is a fact that has been stated by many many people. They didn't realize which way they were voting on this issue.
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Business down in local, Ohio bars
By Dylan McCament, News Staff Reporter
Wednesday, February 06, 2008
MOUNT VERNON — The air is clear but the stools are empty in many bars, locally and across Ohio.
Business is down between 30 to 50 percent in Ohio bars since the statewide smoking ban began to be enforced May 3, 2007, according to Patrick Carroll, president of the The Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association. The association represents hundreds of bar owners statewide.
John Carhart, owner of the Corner Grill on South Main Street, said he has witnessed just such a decline since the smoking ban went into effect, although he attributes part of the downturn to a bad economy.
“The smoking ban has put a crimp on business in 2007,” he said. “We’re adjusting to something we never had to before.”
Carhart said bar owners have basically resigned themselves to following all rules and regulations, but said he feels as if the ban is not only hurting business but stomping on the civil liberties of bar owners.
Mike Mazza, owner of Mazza’s Restaurant and Michael J’s night club on West High Street, said he thinks the smoking ban has had a negative impact on bar business, but he also thinks money is a factor.
“I think people have less money to spend on entertainment at the end of the week,” he said.
Mazza said he thinks more and more people are deciding to buy alcohol and drink it at home instead of paying higher prices in a bar. He added that his restaurant business remains steady, but he has noticed people are less likely to stay for a drink or two after their meal.
The Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association is lobbying the state Legislature to allow a smoking permit for owners of bars where less 10 percent of gross receipts flow from food sales. The request also includes allowing bowling alleys to let customers smoke after 6 p.m., and to allow smoking in private clubs and tobacco shops.
Carrol said he is seeking to help struggling bar owners stay in business, and feels the smoking ban is a violation of constitutional rights. He wants to get 140,000 people to sign a petition to be presented to the Legislature. If the request for a special smoking permit is denied, he said, the association will attempt to gather the signatures required to put the issue on the ballot in November.
The association is the group which obtained a temporary restraining order that delayed enforcement of the smoking ban. It has also filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the ban; that lawsuit is still pending.
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Some bar owners irked about smoking ban, but state says most comply
By Ken McCall
Staff Writer Dayton Daily News
Sunday, December 23, 2007
Talk to proprietors who have amassed a pile of smoking complaints, and they'll tell you the state indoor smoking ban is really hurting business.
Jo Risk, owner of BoJangles in West Carrollton, said her business dropped by half after the ban went into effect and she — unlike some competitors — removed ashtrays and tried to obey the law. She also created a heated, covered outdoor space for smokers.
It didn't work. "I couldn't do anything," Risk said. "People wanted to smoke."
Even after she stopped objecting to customers smoking, Risk said her business is still down by 35 percent from last year.
Part of the problem is the local economy, she said, but part of it is that her competitors aren't following the law.
She doesn't think the law's enforcement is fair. "The people who do the most business are the ones who are going to pay the most penalty," she said. "These smaller bars where everybody smokes and nobody tells on them, they're not going to pay.
"So where do I go from here? I can't see an answer."
Jerry Gabbard, administrator of the Loyal Order of Moose Lodge 501 in Middletown, said the smoking ban has been hard on everyone.
"From what I understand, it about put everybody out of business here in Middletown," said Gabbard, who manages the state's leading target of smoking complaints. "That's the feedback I'm getting from other businesses. And I'm hearing that from just about everywhere in the state."
But not every bar owner agrees and state officials point out that numbers show most establishments are voluntarily obeying the law.
The 19,000-plus complaints phoned in during the first seven months against 7,300 establishments seems like a big number, said Kristopher Weiss, spokesman for the Ohio Department of Health. But even if every one of those complaints could be proven to be a true violation, he said, that is still a tiny fraction of the estimated 280,000 public places or employers covered by the law.
"What those numbers are saying to us is that the vast majority are complying, and are doing so voluntarily," Weiss said.
One of those is Dave Boston.
The owner of Boston's Bistro & Pub on North Main Street in Harrison Twp., said the ban "worked out perfect for me."
When he lost his lease and moved out of downtown in 2004, Boston said he wanted to go non-smoking but was advised not to. He was afraid customers wouldn't follow him if he cut out indoor smoking.
Then the smoking ban passed. "As soon as it was voted in, I immediately had a sign out saying I had a smoking environment outside, that I was going to support the smoking ban, and that non-smokers were welcome as well as smokers," he said.
Like other clubs, Boston created a sheltered, heated space for smokers outside, which he calls his "Butt Bungalo." He also has an outdoor beer garden area.
A lot of owners have "raised the bar" for everyone by creating outdoor spaces for smokers, Boston said. His business, which has not received a single complaint, was hurt some at first by proprietors who didn't follow the law, he said, but sales are now back to where they were a year ago. And Boston said he's drawing new customers who don't want to go home "smelling like ashtrays."
In the end, Boston said, he thinks enforcement will create an even playing field for establishments like his and Risk's.
"It's all going to balance out," he said. "I'm not going to play any games with the law. I'm just going to abide by it and let God take care of how my business goes."
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Smokers light up across state line Some people are traveling from Ohio to Pennsylvania bars where they can smoke. By LAURE CIOFFI VINDICATOR PENNSYLVANIA BUREAU SHARON, Pa. — Geno Rossi used to see the same faces day after day at the bar he manages, Our Gang Lounge on Sharpsville Avenue — until Ohio banned smoking. "There are a couple of [periods of the week] that are really dead and then we started getting people in. We figure they're coming from Ohio," Rossi said. It's all part of a phenomenon that some Pennsylvania barkeeps are seeing since Ohio authorities started to crack down on the smoking ban passed by voters. The ban prohibits smoking in most public places, including bars. "Yeah, I've heard some people say they've come here because they can't smoke in Ohio," said John Brent, a bartender at Billy's Black and Gold, also on Sharpsville Avenue. The Ohio smokers tend to come over to the sports bar on weekends, he said. Cathy Dubrasky, owner of the Golden Bear Tavern in West Middlesex, Pa., has been noticing new faces throughout the week too. Crossing state lines "We get a lot of people from Hubbard. They're just as close to here as some of the bars in Hubbard," she said. The Golden Bear Tavern is about four miles from the state line, she estimates. The nearby Middlesex Tavern is also seeing an increase, says manager Cindy Sheasley. "We just had a group of four people come in and say 'Since we can't smoke on Ohio, we'll make this our hangout,'" Sheasley said. In Lawrence County, Nite Trax Lounge on U.S. Route 224 has seen such an increase that they've had to add more bartenders and waitresses to some shifts, said Debi Spincic, a bartender at Nite Trax for 15 years. Patrons are coming from Boardman, Poland and Struthers to the bar, which is only about an eighth of a mile from the Ohio line. "There's a lot of people who come and see the ashtrays and say 'Thank God we can smoke, we thought we were in Ohio,'" Spincic said. She estimates business has increased 20 percent to 25 percent since the smoking ban went into effect. Ohio bars suffer While Ohio's smoking ban has been a boon for Pennsylvania bars on the border, it has been a bust for Ohio bars near the state line. Harry Leftheris has seen a 35-percent drop in business at his tavern in Masury, just yards from the Pennsylvania line. Ironically, Leftheris is licensed to sell cigarettes and tobacco products in his tavern. "I'm allowed to sell it here, but you can't use it here," he said. Leftheris said he's fully supportive of efforts to repeal the smoking ban. "These people are taking my livelihood away from me," he said. Others are experiencing similar problems and no one has seen any increase in business from nonsmokers. Dave Driscoll, owner of R.P. McMurphy's Sports Bar and Grill in Brookfield, said the only thing keeping him in business is the large deck he has outside where customers can smoke. "About 75 percent of my customers are outside now and 25 percent inside," he said. He expects to put heaters on the deck in the winter to accommodate the smokers. Losing business Others aren't so lucky. Fred Longely, owner of the State Line Bar and Grille in Brookfield, doesn't know how much longer he will be in business. He estimates 65 percent to 70 percent of his customers have gone elsewhere. It's the same story at the Hollywood Lounge in Brookfield. "I've probably lost 60 percent of my tips," bartender Tina Capozzoli said. But the boon for Pennsylvania bars may be short-lived. The Pennsylvania Legislature is considering its own ban on indoor smoking. Several versions of a smoking ban are being studied by the state's lawmakers. cioffi@vindy.com
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Michigan Senate snuffs out smoking ban in bars, restaurants
Posted by Associated Press December 12, 2007 04:33AM
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LANSING -- Efforts to ban smoking in Michigan bars, restaurants and other workplaces were snuffed out in the state Senate Tuesday.
Republicans who control the chamber sent smoking-ban legislation to a committee where bills traditionally go to die. In a rare move, Democrats tried to steer it to the Health Policy Committee instead because the panel's Republican chairman supports the ban.
"This says we have a do-nothing Senate whose leadership does not want to deal with the smoking issue," said Sen. Ray Basham, D-Taylor, a longtime smoking ban supporter.
The Democratic-led House last week voted to bar smoking in most workplaces -- a win for health advocates such as the American Lung Association of Michigan that had pushed the measure for a decade.
But Senate Majority Leader Mike Bishop, R-Rochester, argues the bill would hurt business at bars and restaurants and put unnecessary government restrictions on private establishments.
"The timing of this legislation really couldn't be worse, given Michigan's economic woes," spokesman Matt Marsden said.
While past Senate leaders have typically killed bills in the Government Operations and Reform Committee, Marsden said that's not how Bishop sees the purpose of the panel he chairs. Bishop eventually could hold a hearing on the proposed smoking ban, Marsden said.
It's clear, however, that the Senate remains a huge obstacle to the workplace smoking ban.
Sen. Tom George, a doctor from Kalamazoo, was the lone Republican voting to send the bill to the panel he chairs. He and another Republican doctor, Sen. Roger Kahn of Saginaw, back the ban.
Kahn, who voted to keep it in Bishop's committee, said he would have sent the bill to another panel except for the more "fundamental principle" at stake: the majority leader's ability to refer bills where he wants. Kahn said he thinks the bill isn't dead but agreed it would have had a better chance in the Health Policy Committee.
Efforts to pass the bill probably won't go away soon because backers believe a floor vote could be close.
If all 17 Senate Democrats voted for it, along with Republican Sens. George and Kahn, a 19-19 tie could be broken by Democratic Lt. Gov. John Cherry. Gov. Jennifer Granholm has said she would sign a smoking ban.
It's unclear if Senate Democrats are fully united behind the bill, though, because Tuesday's move was mainly procedural. When the House voted, the bill got mixed support from Democrats and Republicans.
"What we saw today is a strong movement in the Senate to show Sen. Bishop that he needs to take this issue seriously, give it a fair hearing and let the members vote with their constituents," said Judy Stewart, spokeswoman for the Campaign for Smokefree Air.
The U.S. surgeon general reported last year that breathing any amount of secondhand smoke harms nonsmokers. The Michigan Restaurant Association and Michigan Licensed Beverage Association oppose the legislation and say going smokefree should be a market-driven business choice by individual bars and restaurants.
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We'll just have to wait to see the actual numbers for fiscal 08 .... if they can even be found behind the smokescreen and lack of information ....... however, fiscal 2007 saw Ohio set a new record in liquor sales. (Which ended in August 2007) I wish I could find some record of tavern related liquor sales alone ...... and a comparison in dollars from 2007 to 2008 ..... but those numbers remain murky and buried from public view http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2007/08/27/daily27.htmlLiquor Control reports another record-breaking year in sales Ohioans helped end the state Division of Liquor Control's fiscal year with another record-breaking and consistent round of liquor consumption. The division's annual report shows sales reached $672.7 million in the 2007 fiscal year ended June 30, a 5 percent boost over fiscal 2006 sales, which reached $638.8 million. That means Ohioans purchased 10.2 million gallons of liquor with a 21 percent or higher alcohol volume, enough to fill more than 200,000 average-size bathtubs. The year before, Ohioans purchased 9.9 million gallons of liquor. While the sales total for fiscal 2007 marks at least a decade that Ohioans have broken their own record every year, the funds the division took in are a stronger mark of consistency. Ohioans have increased their liquor intake by about 220,000 gallons a year on average since fiscal 1997, as sales totals have gone up annually by $28.1 million on average. The over-the-year gains from fiscal 2006 to 2007 in sales totals and volume only slightly outpace the trend. The steady increases also have allowed the division to increase profit by about 10 percent on average every year in the past decade. Profits totaled $203 million in fiscal 2007, up 6 percent from the year before. A portion of the liquor proceeds are used to fund certain state services. In the state's fiscal 2007, the division transferred $135 million to Ohio's General Revenue Fund, the state's primary operating budget. That marks a 2 percent decrease from last year's appropriation of $138 million. In addition to the $135 million, the division kicked in $122.8 million to fund services at other state offices including the departments of Health, Alcohol and Drug Addiction Services and Public Safety.
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The division's annual report shows sales reached $672.7 million in the 2007 fiscal year ended June 30,
Yes, considering that most establishments did not enforce the law until they had to, around May of 2007, rendering this moot for the present.
Other things that render it moot is that it is only overall liquor sales, which doesn't take into account home consumption (as you alluded to) and it doesn't allow for price increases which would also make for increased numbers.
But by golly it's more than counting cars and patios!
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Let me ask you a question Shep .......
When do you think a team does better financially ....... when its stadium is empty .... half full ...... or full?
You can look at attendance and customer volume as a heavily weighted factor as far as profit potential is concerned .... and even moreso when the business in question (such as a bar) does almost no sales volume (possibly very minor collectable online sales) outside of its physical sales location.
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Attendance has dropped. I don't care one iota what your car counting tells you, I know what numbers tell me.
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The Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association is lobbying the state Legislature to allow a smoking permit for owners of bars where less 10 percent of gross receipts flow from food sales. The request also includes allowing bowling alleys to let customers smoke after 6 p.m., and to allow smoking in private clubs and tobacco shops.
I think this is fair...I'm sure the nannies don't, however. 
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The Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association is lobbying the state Legislature to allow a smoking permit for owners of bars where less 10 percent of gross receipts flow from food sales. The request also includes allowing bowling alleys to let customers smoke after 6 p.m., and to allow smoking in private clubs and tobacco shops.
I think this is fair...I'm sure the nannies don't, however.
I would absolutely vote for that. I'm not a bar person but I never understood why bars were included in the ban.
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I was in an establishment this past Sunday for a brief spell that I had not been to for years. Business there was brisk....every stool had a butt sitting on it and 3 of the 4 tables were full.
There were also ashtrays everywhere because they are one of Lord knows how many that are not enforcing the law.
Hard to tell how many places are just like this, especially in the smaller communities.
Why do they do this?? Because if they didn't they would have been closed by now.
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Heh, tough choice.... keep allowing it and pay fines (and be able to pay them) or don't allow it and wonder if you'll be able to buy product and pay the rent.
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