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Actually I think we should save ourselves some money and only tender Anderson to the 2nd tier of the tender tree. Only 1 player has been taken as a restricted free agent on the highest tender, Curtis Martin. DA is not the commodity martin was. Give him the 1 million deal which yeilds a first rounder, or sign and trade. 5-6 years . . . not going to happen.
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I really like the BQ trade up acquision. Still do. Great move by the Browns IMO. Looking at this years QB class, ;ast year and this year, makes the move look even better IMO. BQ has the tools... All of them tangible and intangible... Period. But he has no proven that he can and will be the QB of the future. As of yet. Of course he will work his but off... It's who he is... Which is great, but BQ is not a average or top 10 NFL QB yet. DA is and has proven to be as of his performance last season. Something maraculous would have to happen in camp this off season for DA to lose his job. Period. 10-5 QB's who are healthy and are under contract don't lose thier jobs when bullets aren't flying, in camp or pre-season. That rarely happens at any level. No way DA is gone for less than a 1st rounder... Sorry Bro... Note: BQ accuracy problems??? Some people here...  In the SF game two of BQ's attempts, what should have been TD passes were dropped... One by BE and one by KW... And they were good throws. With BQ at the helm in SF our Browns drove down the field and had an excellent drive. We can all see the potential... I hope and belive we will all grow to love and respect BQ... We shall see in a year or so If DA is here for another year or not.
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The only thing I had a problem with was his shameless attempt to be the no.1 draft pick. That campaign was truely pathetic. It reeked of arrogance and immaturity. He made that bullseye on his back huge.
I never have read or heard anything negative about him other then the way he was a baby about the whole haircut deal. That also spoke to me about how immature he was.
These are real small things in the big picture. He works his butt off by all accounts and I have never heard of any back biting done by him. He was just out of school and I'm pretty sure he has learned his lesson but these actions didn't paint a very pretty picture to me right out of college.
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Actually I think we should save ourselves some money and only tender Anderson to the 2nd tier of the tender tree. Only 1 player has been taken as a restricted free agent on the highest tender, Curtis Martin. DA is not the commodity martin was. Give him the 1 million deal which yeilds a first rounder, or sign and trade. 5-6 years . . . not going to happen.
Just because we give him the highest tender does not mean that is what we expect to get for him. If somebody coughs it up great, but we are free to try and trade him to anyone, for anything we choose.
Us tendering Anderson will only show other teams that we are willing to take offers.
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Toad .. the #'s say the total ofthe deal were offering is 12 mill ... is the ENTIRE CONTRACT GOING TO BE GAURANTEED MONEY??? 
Which numbers? The ones that the media is speculating on?
Here's the thinking: In order to get Anderson to bite on a short-term deal, there MUST be some guaranteed money, something to make it worth signing. If there's nothing more than a few million guaranteed, it's no wonder the agents aren't signing. So, under that premise, it wouldn't be worth it to sign a deal, so we're right back to square one.
Were you in Anderson's position, would you sign a three-year deal with little guaranteed money? I wouldn't. At that point, I'd just sign the tender and hope for the best, as the little bit extra on the contract isn't worth it.
In the meantime, you're right about waiting. If he is tendered, they can see if there is any interest out there for a bigger contract. If not, they deal in good faith with the Browns.
Pretty tired of all of it at this point. Seems like much discussion is less around the mechanisms of the contract and still hovering around Anderson as a QB.
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Pretty tired of all of it at this point. Seems like much discussion is less around the mechanisms of the contract and still hovering around Anderson as a QB.
With all due respect........to each his own. I know that I find the economic side of football boring. I prefer the game over the economics of the game. You seem to be stating the opposite. No big deal. Different interests for different people. Do what I do.......simply don't spend a lot of time on the posts that don't interest you.
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When FA opens DA's agents will find this out.
Then they might be more willing to take the offer
If this should happen this "That Offer" will be off the table. IMO We will be dealing from a position of strength and the offer will be reduced. Go Brownies!!!
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If this should happen this "That Offer" will be off the table. IMO We will be dealing from a position of strength and the offer will be reduced.
Dude.............DA isn't the enemy. 
Ya'll crack on me for my people skills w/some of you, but Jesus.........aaarghhhhhh......I can't say. 
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Pretty tired of all of it at this point. Seems like much discussion is less around the mechanisms of the contract and still hovering around Anderson as a QB.
With all due respect........to each his own. I know that I find the economic side of football boring. I prefer the game over the economics of the game. You seem to be stating the opposite. No big deal. Different interests for different people. Do what I do.......simply don't spend a lot of time on the posts that don't interest you.
I can't. They all interest me
I'd state that despite your interpretation, the economics don't interest me more than the game......Meatball  To put it clearly into focus, I think the relevent story at this point in time is the contract negotiations between Anderson's leeche....er.....agents and Savage. The actual debate over whether or not the Browns want Anderson is over. They do. They wouldn't offer any kind of contract otherwise. The flipside is that we can also say without a doubt that they aren't convinced he's the guy for the long haul. Teams don't offer three-year deals to guys if they know he's going to be a star. Those things are no longer even points of debate.
Much like the drama that unfolds during the season, the offseason's drama is in the contract negotiations, and how they will effect a player and his subsequent team.
Now maybe I have it wrong, which wouldn't be the first time, but unless a fan is pretty-much clueless, they recognize what Anderson does well and what he doesn't do well. I think at this point in time the interesting conversations revolve around what a team would have to offer in order to pry Anderson from our deathgrip, and on the flipside, what and why the agents want compared to what and why Savage wants to offer less.
Unfortunately, I have to sift through the rest in order to find the relevent info, because like it or not, everyone once in a while you windbags give me something to think about
Now do I have to blow you a kiss too, because I will. Just ask Diam 
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To put it clearly into focus, I think the relevent story at this point in time is the contract negotiations between Anderson's leeche....er.....agents and Savage. The actual debate over whether or not the Browns want Anderson is over. They do. They wouldn't offer any kind of contract otherwise. The flipside is that we can also say without a doubt that they aren't convinced he's the guy for the long haul. Teams don't offer three-year deals to guys if they know he's going to be a star. Those things are no longer even points of debate.
Much like the drama that unfolds during the season, the offseason's drama is in the contract negotiations, and how they will effect a player and his subsequent team.
During this time of year, contract negotiations/FA/the draft ARE the game. I think we all most definitely prefer the game over the economics of the game, but right now economics and debate is all we got.
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imagine the length of the offseason if we didn't have the economics....
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Another point I read all kinds of crapola on here. The plan was never for BQ to start, thus the Browns felt no great need to get BQ signed.
If he would have signed on time he would have competed and possibly won the starting job in camp, so I have no idea what you're trying to say here.....
As is usually the case people like you Shep refuse to believe what PS says. It's not me making stuff up it's what PS said last year before the season began. He said I want BQ to sit this season, and hope that CF or DA can hold down the fort long enough for BQ to grow into an NFL QB. The only peole that thought BQ would start are folks like you, who refuse to believe what the man himself said. Further if you can't see that BQ was signed at a bargian basement price in todays NFL world then hell I can't help you, in fact I doubt anybody can.... So it is MHO that the Browns made BQ a cheep offer from jump knowing that they wouldn't start him last season anyway. And guess what Shep 2 Mill per season for a backup is about the market price, if that don't smack at not gonna start to you what does. And further if that don't tell you that the problems in negotiations was the Browns then what in the hell does.....
If you can't see that "IF" ( kind of like JT )it had been the plan to have BQ compete for the starting job the offer would have been better from jump, then I can't help you thats for sure... 
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Good for Danielle, when did she take over as the coach or the GM?
I have a better question?? Are you saying that your opinion is more factual then PS's and Danielle's ??? 
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Another point I read all kinds of crapola on here. The plan was never for BQ to start, thus the Browns felt no great need to get BQ signed.
If he would have signed on time he would have competed and possibly won the starting job in camp, so I have no idea what you're trying to say here.....
As is usually the case people like you Shep refuse to believe what PS says. It's not me making stuff up it's what PS said last year before the season began. He said I want BQ to sit this season, and hope that CF or DA can hold down the fort long enough for BQ to grow into an NFL QB. The only peole that thought BQ would start are folks like you, who refuse to believe what the man himself said. Further if you can't see that BQ was signed at a bargian basement price in todays NFL world then hell I can't help you, in fact I doubt anybody can.... So it is MHO that the Browns made BQ a cheep offer from jump knowing that they wouldn't start him last season anyway. And guess what Shep 2 Mill per season for a backup is about the market price, if that don't smack at not gonna start to you what does. And further if that don't tell you that the problems in negotiations was the Browns then what in the hell does.....
If you can't see that "IF" ( kind of like JT )it had been the plan to have BQ compete for the starting job the offer would have been better from jump, then I can't help you thats for sure...
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Well I remember both Phil and RAC state that if BQ had signed and gotten into camp it would have been an open competition and as Shep pointed out he probably would have won because both Frye and Anderson looked like crap in the preseason.
So yeah Phil said in the "Ideal" situation allowing BQ to sit was the best option. But, don't think for a minute if both RAC and Phil felt BQ was the best option comming out of camp that they wouldn't of started him.
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The only thing I had a problem with was his shameless attempt to be the no.1 draft pick. That campaign was truely pathetic. It reeked of arrogance and immaturity.
Hmmmmm ... the "campaign" ..... what "campaign" are u talking about .... the "campaign" where he went on Letterman, Lenno and Larry King and brought his graphs and charts .... or the "campaign" where he called into all the major sport talks shows on a daily basis ... or was it the "campaign" where he picketed outside ESPN headquarters the entire month of April ... 
OH WAIT NONE OF THAT HAPPEND .... U must be talking about the "campaign" where he had the audacity to ANSWER the QUESTIONS he was ASKED in an ARTICULATE, WELL THOUGHT OUT MANNER ...
THE HORROR .... what an arrogant SOB ... actually answering questions in an honest way with a more than a Yes or No ... What a JERK .... *L* ...
I thought he went a bit to far with his answer ... I kinda cringed when i heard it ... but sheesh .. to call it a "campaign" and say it was PATHETIC and REEKED of ARROGANCE and INMATURITY ... that is truely making a MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL ..... one could even say it is TRUELY PATHETIC and just plain flat out REEKS ....
If thats all u got bro .... the targets only bigger than it is for most because u CHOOSE TO MAKE IT THAT WAY ...
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I never have read or heard anything negative about him other then the way he was a baby about the whole haircut deal. That also spoke to me about how immature he was.
All the things this kid does that show maturity well beyond his years and U wanna say this makes him inmature?? *LOL* ... OK dude ... whatever ... I guess perfection in every single thing is what your looking for ... good luck finding that ..
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I WOULD say it was an excellent forward looking decision...And u can bet your ass it had ALOT to do with knowing what was 08 FA QB available...AND 08 Draft Class available...
It was..think about it...drafting Quinn in 07 meant if everything went well (Phil's plan) he could sit and learn..well it went better than planned...
Had he not been able to get BQ..(I still wonder if he would have taken Edwards in the second?) it seems reasonable he would have gone after another QB..but to have to wait till 08 to get one then have to have him learn would sit them back another year..
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Well I remember both Phil and RAC state that if BQ had signed and gotten into camp it would have been an open competition and as Shep pointed out he probably would have won because both Frye and Anderson looked like crap in the preseason.
Sorry but that never was said that I know about. I do remember that after mini camp PS made the comment that BQ looked lost. I think from that point forward it was decided that BQ would benefit from sitting.. Now i know that the press and a great many fans wanted BQ to start, and even after he signed many thought he would start after the bye, but that didn't happen either. In fact PS said that things worked out ideally, and that BQ sitting was key to his developement. He said that the developement of BQ over the course of the 2007 season was the #1 priority as I remember. I can look it up if you like but I am certain about what I am saying...
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But, don't think for a minute if both RAC and Phil felt BQ was the best option comming out of camp that they wouldn't of started him.
Oh I don't and he wasn't, so whats the point?? If your saying that if BQ had been able to create seperation between himself and CF and DA, he would have been the starter thats pretty obvious. Then again saying that he would have had a shot to be the starter "IF" he had gottin to camp on time is pure speculation on the parts of the fan base and the press, as I said before I never heard nor did I read anywhere that RAC or PS said that BQ had a sliver of a chance to be the starter, in camp on time or not. And if they did make a sudjestion that if he signed on time they would give him a shot, it is MHO that it would have been done to get BQ to sign for less then a resonable price.
I keep saying the same thing, but here goes one more time. The case of 2 players.. JT vs BQ.
JT is signed well before the start of camp !! Why??
PS because getting JT in on time was more imporatnt to the Browns then getting BQ in on time.. Did the Browns quivel with JT about money ?? Na they gave him pretty much what he wanted and got him signed... Why ?? Because it was critical to the Browns to have JT start day one..
BQ isn't signed until 10/11 days into camp !! Why ???
PS JT was priority one, and BQ getting to camp on time while somewhat important wasn't a priority, and the Browns wanted BQ for a bargain price !! Why ?? because he wasn't going to get an honest chance to start regardless if he was in camp on time or not..
It's honest to God as clear as can be.. Ask yourself this question, OK? If BQ were even close to being a priority why did the Browns quival with him over 1 million dollars?? Are you saying that they would have quivaled with him over 1 Mill if they thought he had a snowballs chance in hell of starting ??? It's there if you look.. Forget about what the Press thinks, forget about what some fans think and look at the facts..
The Browns are paying BQ backup money until he plays #1, They fought over 1 Million dollars for over a week. Sorry but if that says to you that they ever seriously thought about BQ being a starter then hell you got me... 
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Here's the thinking: In order to get Anderson to bite on a short-term deal, there MUST be some guaranteed money, something to make it worth signing. If there's nothing more than a few million guaranteed, it's no wonder the agents aren't signing. So, under that premise, it wouldn't be worth it to sign a deal, so we're right back to square one.
Were you in Anderson's position, would you sign a three-year deal with little guaranteed money? I wouldn't. At that point, I'd just sign the tender and hope for the best, as the little bit extra on the contract isn't worth it.
I agree 100% .. the problem U have IMO is that U think that 12 mill is going to be gauranteed .... U see my 4 legged friend .. theirs a big difference between a "little" gauranteed $$$$ and 12 mill gauranteed ... to me a "little" is 2 - 4 mill .... where as for a 3 year deal 12 million is the MOTHER LOAD of gauranteed $$$$$ ...
NO WAY IN HELL IMO is DA's agent turning down a deal with 12 mill gauranteed over 3 years ... NO WAY IN HELL ..... and If DA's camp is turning that down there MORONS IMO ...
If I'm DA knowing the shackles we have on him and his age ... If I'm getting 5 or 6 mill in gauranteed $$$$ over 3 years I have to seriously think about it ... thats LIFE CHANGING $$$ that I'm GAURANTEED ... I would obviously want some incentives in thier to raise the value of it to something commensurate to my performance .... cause then in 3 years when I'm 27 or 28 and still have enough years left I can GET PAID BIGTIME AGAIN while all ready securing a nice little stipend NO MATER WHAT HAPPENS with that 5 or 6 mill ...
now if their offering anything 8 or over in gauranteed for 3 years ... I COULDNT SIGN QUICK ENOUGH .... this is all of course contingent on some dumb ass team not all ready telling my agent that were willing to give up a 1st and will pay DA handsomely over the next 6 or 7 years ... IMO that team does not exist so it tells me we are indeed offering him very little in the way of gauranteed $$$ ...
thats just what my COMMON SENSE TELL ME ... DA has made chump change compared to geting 6 mill gauranteed over the next 3 years .. and remember thats MINIMUM .... thats what hes GARANTEED .. theres gonna be MORE ON TOP OF THAT .. and it could be alot more depending on performance ..
so WORSE CASE is I make MORE THAN 6 MILL over the next 3 years and get a chance to BREAK THE BANK IN 3 ..... Ya, .. I gotta give that some serious thought ... anything over that and I'm all over it in a NANNOO SECOND ...
and thats a FAR CRY FROM 12 .... U shot a little high there bro ... actually WAY HIGH ... just admit it then we can move on ... I know its hard ... but u can do it ... 
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The Browns are in contract negotiations with Anderson, who recently turned down a three-year deal worth $16 million, with $11 million gauranteed. . Anderson's representatives are seeking a deal in the six-year range, and the Browns appear steadfast on keeping the length at three years. Here's the link. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/foo...0Q.html?sid=101Maybe it's Roger Brown type reporting. This was originally posted by SaintDawg on page 2 by the way.
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To put it clearly into focus, I think the relevent story at this point in time is the contract negotiations between Anderson's leeche....er.....agents and Savage. The actual debate over whether or not the Browns want Anderson is over. They do. They wouldn't offer any kind of contract otherwise. The flipside is that we can also say without a doubt that they aren't convinced he's the guy for the long haul. Teams don't offer three-year deals to guys if they know he's going to be a star. Those things are no longer even points of debate.
Much like the drama that unfolds during the season, the offseason's drama is in the contract negotiations, and how they will effect a player and his subsequent team.
During this time of year, contract negotiations/FA/the draft ARE the game. I think we all most definitely prefer the game over the economics of the game, but right now economics and debate is all we got.
You're right. This part of the offseason IS football season. I'd much rather follow all of this than everything else that is going on. I'll watch the Cavs here and there, other than that, there's nothing. No hockey, no golf, no NASCAR. There's nothing.
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Ya .. Thanks ... I couldn't find it ... if these #'s are true .. then DA and his agents are IDIOTS ... there taking a HUGE GAMBLE on alot of $$$$ ... IF these #'s are true .. I look for Da to be signed before the deadline ... if their just trying to squeeze more out of us thats fine .. its their jobs .. but if they pass this up for the tender their MORONS .. and i do not believe these #'s for a second ... NOT A SECOND ... but we shall see very very soon ...
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Don't make me come to NY and bitch slap you. Like I said in the rest of my post he seems to be a great teammate and hard worker, traits that are far more important. I'm not about to go back and post the things that he said (the're not important) but he did make comments on why he should be the first pick overall. If he was smart he would have been like almost every other top draft choice and say he he would be happy with when ever he was picked. As far as the haircut, he probably should have taken Thomas's lead. AGAIN DIAM, THESE ARE JUST TWO LITTLE EXAMPLES OF IMMATURITY. I DON'T THINK IT SHOWS THAT HE HAS BAD APPLE. I decided I'm coming to NY any way. What time is good for you?
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Fred Greetham answers his own article from Friday: Here's why you get all you can for Cleveland Browns starting quarterback Derek Anderson, and why you make that move now...
Here are a few of the reasons the Browns should clear the way for Brady Quinn to be the starting quarterback next season by trading Anderson and getting as much as they can for him now while his value is at it’s peak.
How can you commit long-term to Anderson, who throws so many interceptions and makes poor decisions?
Anderson is what he is. The Ravens drafted him in the sixth-round and cut him when they have been looking for a quarterback for a long time. Anderson played well in 2007, but he showed in the second half of the season the knock on him. He sometimes forces passes when he shouldn’t and throws many interceptions.
How can you not trade Anderson if you can get a No. 1 and No. 3 for him now?
The Browns need help on defense and they could use those two picks to fortify the defense. If the Browns can’t sign him long term, they would be in a position of losing him and getting nothing for him.
How can you make a commitment to a guy when you have a blue-chip No. 1 quarterback already signed for four more years?
The Browns couldn’t decide between Charlie Frye or Anderson the whole off-season. That’s why they gave up their No. 1 draft choice in 2008 to draft Quinn.
How can you commit to Anderson when arguably, many quarterbacks (ok, maybe not Charlie Frye) could’ve put up big numbers in this offense, with the weapons and the offensive line the Browns have?
Anderson isn’t nearly as athletic as Quinn, who did it all at Notre Dame. Look how bad the Fighting Irish were this past season without Quinn. Anderson has a rocket arm, but he’s slow and looked as though he regressed as the season went on.
How can you not go to Quinn?
He was drafted to be the face of the franchise for the future. Anderson was just keeping the seat warm for a little while. He did very well, but as Phil Savage said the Browns have the weapons and the line around the quarterback for him to be successful. Quinn has everything that Anderson has plus he has more upside potential than does Anderson.
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Okay, I'm a little new to the posting end here, but not to the reading end of this board. And I think you're trying to infer that almost everyone doesn't even want us to sign Anderson. But I do not believe that is correct what so ever.
Most of what I've been reading has implied that they have no problem with us signing him, but not to overspend to keep him. That's quite a stark contrast to the alligations you appear to be making. Wheather these alligations are for sensationalism upon your part or shock value, I've seen very few people out and out say discard Anderson and do not try to sign him.
I believe that it simply comes down to economics. Most do not wish to see us overpay him from what I've been reading. But you seem to take that as a sign everyone simply wishes him shipped out of town? That simply doesn't add up with what I've read.
So my question to you is a simple one. What value do you place on Anderson? How much is too much? What would your threshold be in terms of dollars and years before you believe that Anderson has simply priced himself out of a job here in Cleveland?
Because that seems to be the real issue among the fans IMO
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NO WAY IN HELL IMO is DA's agent turning down a deal with 12 mill gauranteed over 3 years ... NO WAY IN HELL ..... and If DA's camp is turning that down there MORONS IMO ...
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The Browns are in contract negotiations with Anderson, who recently turned down a three-year deal worth $16 million, with $11 million gauranteed. . Anderson's representatives are seeking a deal in the six-year range, and the Browns appear steadfast on keeping the length at three years.
Here's the link. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/foo...0Q.html?sid=101
Maybe it's Roger Brown type reporting. This was originally posted by SaintDawg on page 2 by the way.
So........Do I still have to admit I'm wrong?  The embarassing part is that I don't remember seeing Saint's article. *shrug*
Here's what you............we...........need to remember bro, and it goes ALL the way back to before the season ended when I made this exact point:
If Anderson does a three year deal, he isn't guaranteed of even landing the starting job this upcoming season. He immediately becomes a golden bit of trade-bait, which means not only does he not get to choose where he lands if it's not in Cleveland, but he also doesn't get a chance to cash in on his free agency money as soon as he's beyond his tender range.
Now, you've actually allready covered WHY they aren't taking this deal right now in an earlier post. You noted that it doesn't hurt anything to get slapped with the tender and see what happens. Who knows? Maybe a team is dumb enough to come in and pay for Anderson's services, in which case he'll get a FAR bigger deal than JUST three years with JUST $11 or $12 million guaranteed.
I still maintain that the Bears are big players for his services, as are the Vikings. Let's start with the Bears.........
Does anyone REALLY believe that the Bears are going to walk into the season with a perceived Super Bowl defense and be content with letting Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton battle it out for the starting gig if they can help it? I sure can't. So they look at Anderson. They manage to swing a deal with the Browns for a #1 pick or whatever. Do you believe that Anderson's agent will be happy signing for $12 million in guaranteed money? HELL NO he won't, hehe. He'll want a deal in place that reflects the level of compensation given, as well as the perception that Anderson is THE QB of the future for the longhaul. That'll mean something close to Romo money, though obviously not there. So why sign right now for $12 million guaranteed when it doesn't hurt to wait it out, potentially be HANDED the starting job for good, AND land somewhere around $20 million guaranteed?
We're moving right along just as we should be. You should be happy that his agents have turned down this money. It means that he's closer to being traded, and your boy is closer to being handed the job
So where are we right now? Let's say the Browns don't budge and DA doesn't get any offers once he's tendered. The agents can come back and say "Ok, there's no interest. We'll take the deal." The guaranteed money is what they want anyway, even if it's not their IDEAL situation.
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One interesting dynamic has worked itself out, now that I think about it.
The Browns have made their own perceived fair offer to Anderson. The agents want to get a big deal or hit with the tender in order to guage interest on getting a big deal elsewhere. Both sides are probably happy with where things are, so while they aren't moving forward, they haven't stalled either (wait for the media to spin this so that it sells newspapers ).
This means that we're done with Anderson for the most part at this time, and are now focusing on Winslow.
Fascinating......
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Oh shooz guys..
I didn't write the darn article.. just posted it. There are some in town that think James Walker plays a bit loose with the facts when he reports. Personally, I think he's usually pretty fair and doesn't stray too far from the truth. Now, I know thats not a ringing endorsement, but the Dispatch has changed the Browns beat reporter a few times now since 99 and it's tough to get a long term feel for the reporters when they do that.
FA starts in 4 days.. we'll know soon enough whats going on.
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Eh, it doesn't seem to me like the Dispatch doesn't get any real scoops on their own ..usually it's a reprint of something I already have seen..
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One bit of information to add Toad.
The Bears signed Grossman to a 1 year deal yesterday. Obviously they don't see him as the future QB for them, but maybe a 1 year insurance policy.
I believe that they have their eye on a FA QB and want Grossman there battle it out with the FA for the starting gig. Leaving Orton to try to improve 1 more year while watching and holding down the No. 3 spot.
I got a feeling that they are situating themselves to go after Anderson. I would bet they are monitoring this situation from afar and through possible people in the know and believe they have a real good shot at getting DA one way or another.
This is just pure speculation based on their current situation and signings.
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One bit of information to add Toad.
The Bears signed Grossman to a 1 year deal yesterday. Obviously they don't see him as the future QB for them, but maybe a 1 year insurance policy.
I believe that they have their eye on a FA QB and want Grossman there battle it out with the FA for the starting gig. Leaving Orton to try to improve 1 more year while watching and holding down the No. 3 spot.
I got a feeling that they are situating themselves to go after Anderson. I would bet they are monitoring this situation from afar and through possible people in the know and believe they have a real good shot at getting DA one way or another.
This is just pure speculation based on their current situation and signings.
The good thing would be if more than one team has the hots for Anderson.
That could mean possibly being able to get a little more out of him in picks and maybe someone thrown in to boot.
I would think that Minnesota would be interested along with Atlanta nd possibly even Miami.
I have a feeling this could get interesting before something is decided about what might be done with Anderson.
I personally cannot imagine that the powers that be (Savage and Crennel) would want to wait another year to make a decision on who the quarterback of the future is.
If it is Quinn, I don't think they will want to wait another year before making a change because we are VERY CLOSE to a playoff team.
I cannot imagine wanting to start over again next with a different QB. I think Quinn will be the starter and with the line and people around him should do fine.
JMHO though. 
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http://cle.scout.com/2/732046.htmlTurnaround in DA Talks? By Site Staff Posted Feb 25, 2008 Team and player sources tell the OBR that negotiations have taken a sudden turn. Here's the latest from our sources... Even in the dead of a Cleveland winter, there’s always the unexpected thaw that surprises even the best meteorologists. Such seems to be the case in the ongoing talks regarding a certain free-agent QB. Sources close to both Derek Anderson and the Browns have told The OBR that the two sides have made progress in their negotiations, and could—“could”—have a deal in place before the start of free agency less than four days from now. After spending the last month gaining little or no ground in the talks, the past couple of days have seen a rebirth of the kind of progress which had not been expected by either side. While the Anderson source spoke of a “potential breakthrough”, a Browns source would only label the up-tick in talks as “positive, a lot more positive than they have been the last couple of weeks.” Neither side would discuss specifically what has led to the latest developments; discussions, oddly enough, that have coincided with the agents and NFL front-office personnel gathered together at the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Said one league source currently at the Combine, when asked about what might have caused a spark in the negotiations, “I think the weather in Indy wasn’t as hot as (Anderson’s agent) thought it was going to be. They came dressed in flip-flops and tank tops, when they needed parkas and snowboots.” Even though no one would address what has led to a turnaround in the talks, it’s believed that the Browns have not budged off their very public and private three-year stance. It’s also believed that there has been a concession on the part of the Browns regarding the amount of money in the contract. Specifically, the guaranteed money that the Browns are now prepared to offer. The Anderson camp is said to be considering the Browns’ latest offering, although it’s uncertain at this point whether or not it will be accepted as is, or further talks will be needed.
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Wasn't this article already posted? And didn't it have another article attached to it, giving reasons why the Browns should sign DA?
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Most of what I've been reading has implied that they have no problem with us signing him, but not to overspend to keep him.
I disagree. Kinda hard to answer your question. Sorry.
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Man I swear I said this would happen,, Either the last day before FA or the minute before it started... I wonder if the source that talked about the Weather in Indy is right or not.. meaning there wasn't any love for DA there. Could be I suppose.. then again, if you were a GM for an NFL team that is in need of a QB , would you let the cat out of the bag or would you keep a low profile?
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If he was smart he would have been like almost every other top draft choice and say he he would be happy with when ever he was picked.
Maybe he should have followed Jamarcus' lead and just say he wants to go with whoever pays him the most...
What top rated player doesn't say they want to be the top overall pick? especially at the glamor positions...
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If he was smart he would have been like almost every other top draft choice and say he he would be happy with when ever he was picked.
Maybe he should have followed Jamarcus' lead and just say he wants to go with whoever pays him the most...
What top rated player doesn't say they want to be the top overall pick? especially at the glamor positions...
You shouldn't be striving to be anything BUT the best. If Quinn is wanting to be the first guy picked because he knows he's the best, then so be it. I'd rather have the guy who wants to be the best than the guy who just wants to get paid and act like he's the best.
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