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I actually get along great with Diam. I think it's because I feel sorry for the mentally challenged.
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Oh No Pdawg,,,, you gotta go $15 per copy... we gotta give some to charity ya know 
You do crack me up sometimes P... you really do 
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j/c web page The Browns and quarterback Derek Anderson are very close on a three-year contract for big money. The Browns have been leaking details that they falsely want a six-year deal so that when they announce a three-year contract, it looks like they won the negotiating battle. This coming from a franchise that is paying offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski $2.7 million per season and preparing to give Braylon Edwards $25 million over three seasons. Who knows what Kellen Winslow will do if his contract doesn't get renegotiated? [The portion only pertaining to Cleveland was posted.]
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Sounds like that "reporter" is reaching a little bit.
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shark....great news..hope it gets done soon. Two starting caliber QBs are better than one...mac
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The Browns and quarterback Derek Anderson are very close on a three-year contract for big money. The Browns have been leaking details that they falsely want a six-year deal so that when they announce a three-year contract, it looks like they won the negotiating battle. This coming from a franchise that is paying offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski $2.7 million per season and preparing to give Braylon Edwards $25 million over three seasons. Who knows what Kellen Winslow will do if his contract doesn't get renegotiated?
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What was the site that said all this CRAPOLA.COM
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I think all you need to do is read some of the other comments this reporter makes to know that he's not exactly on top of everything..
Of course, what gives this story a wee bit more cred is that it's the second time we've seen it in print in the last 3 days.. So at least part of it may have some truth to it.. hopefully, it's the part that says they are close to a deal...
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I'm not about to go back and post the things that he said (the're not important) but he did make comments on why he should be the first pick overall. If he was smart he would have been like almost every other top draft choice and say he he would be happy with when ever he was picked.
He explained in detail why he thought he should be the first pick ... it was in response to do u feel u should be the first pick ... instead of just saying yes he elaborated ... he answered a question ... U called it a SHAMELESS ATTEMPT .... a CAMPAIGN ... he answered one question in a very articulate manner ... he did give reasons as to why he wanted to be the #1 pick .. and some of them were a comparision between him and Russell ... but he also mentioned HOW HARD HE WORKED at his craft and how it was a GOAL OF HIS FOR A LONG TIME ....
sorry Bro ... it was hardly a shameless attempt or a campaing or INMATURE ... U read what was written .. he ended by saying thats why I want to be the #1 pick but no matter where I go I will be thrilled and look forward to the challenges ahead of me ... for some reason that did not make the print or aired version only the SNIPPETS that weren't the same old crap made it ..
like when Russell was CRUCIFIED by most for the "I wanna go where they'll pay me the most" remark .. well that was taken way out of context ... it was said almost jokingly after he'd given a long speel about why he felt he should be #1 but would just be glad to get it over .. another reporter asked the same question for about the 5th time in a row and he gave his now famous line in jest ...
everytime these articles or interviews make it to print or the air everyone just takes what they hear varbatim not knowing the CONTEXT they were put in or most time even hearing or reading the ENTIRE ANSWER .... it happens almost EVERY SINGLE TIME ... and this place is well known for that ...
look at DA's contract just over the last week .... Donovan interviews Opie and everyione is all giddy .. oh he'll be signed soon Opie said so ... then the other article comes out 3 or 4 days later saying were not even close .. everyone's all doom and gloom ... oh no, this won't happen .. now a few reports come on progress and again a deal is immeninent ... see what i mean .. *L* ..
and at the end of the day bro .. HIS ANSWER OR WHAT HE SAID WAS NOT INMATURE in the least ... not even close ... it was WELL ARTICULATED and THOUGHTFUL and made some GREAT POINTS ...
how U came away with inmature, shameless attempt or campaign is beyond me ...
like u said it is not imortant at this point .. the only thing that is important in regards to him is exactly when he will be officially named the starter for next year ... will it be fter the 1st or 2nd pre-season game .. thats all that really matters ...
U have along drive ahead of U .. so let me know when u can get here and i will make myself available ... I'll even pick U up at the airport if u decide to fly ..
I think I'll wear my bro's Stiler gear .. that oughta help sales in C-town .. 
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Most of what I've been reading has implied that they have no problem with us signing him, but not to overspend to keep him.
I disagree. Kinda hard to answer your question. Sorry.
So accusations of 98.5% is not a problem, but giving some direct answers as to what you believe Andersons value to the Browns is in your estimation is simply too hard to answer?
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Wheather these alligations are for sensationalism upon your part or shock value,
Yeah, that's it. 
Given your evasiveness on answerring any direct questions about where you value Andersons worth to the Browns to be, it certainly leaves your agenda open to interpritation....
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U have along drive ahead of U .. so let me know when u can get here and i will make myself available
I'll be there someday...Although it will just be for lunch. I will bring my wife with me, (who hates Quinn) that should be punishment enough. 
You might be write when it comes to Quinn's interviews, I can't say that I remember listening to the whole thing. There is a possibility that what I read was taken out of context, but no way in hell will I apologize yet again for being wrong. 
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Given your evasiveness on answerring any direct questions about where you value Andersons worth to the Browns to be, it certainly leaves your agenda open to interpritation....
On this I agree with Vers. I can't tell you what kind of worth he has either, for me even to speculate on this would be worthless. I think we will know soon enough how much worth he has.
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"Your article "Turnaround in DA Talks" is already posted on page 3 of this thread."
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What? A deadline makes the sides come closer to an agreement? Unheard of!!!
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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What? A deadline makes the sides come closer to an agreement? Unheard of!!!
The deadline is 4:00 PM Thursday, right? So we're under 48 hours.
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Posted this yesterday, but no big deal. This is what happens when you are forced to throw all thoughts into one thread so we don't "clutter up the board" I had a post on free agency removed and placed into a different free agency thread while I see other free agency threads left alone. I can't figure it out. That's one of the reasons I quit posting on this board for a while. Too many rules to try to figure out. Some stuff gets pushed into another post or a different forum all together. I try to do what's right, but it appears to be a discretionary thing depending on who's turn it is to watch the board. 
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Could we possibly be witnessing a sign and trade here???
If Cleveland can get Anderson for 3 years more teams may be willing to take the chance on him instead of needing to sign him to Romo type numbers.
Maybe some talks were taking place b/t Savage and others in Indy about Anderson and potential suitors.
Anderson could land us a big name on the defensive side of the ball plus a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Just throwing this thought out there...
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Could we possibly be witnessing a sign and trade here???
If Cleveland can get Anderson for 3 years more teams may be willing to take the chance on him instead of needing to sign him to Romo type numbers.
Maybe some talks were taking place b/t Savage and others in Indy about Anderson and potential suitors.
Anderson could land us a big name on the defensive side of the ball plus a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Just throwing this thought out there...
I thought of this too. The Jets seem to be a possibility. They have given Vilma the OK to find a trade. We could use him... they could use DA.
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I would be happy to make that trade next year  AFTER we see that Quinn is the man
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I'm just curious if there is anyone in the 1st that Phil is extremely high on and is willing to move for. The sign and trade may help us do that if so....
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I had a post on free agency removed and placed into a different free agency thread while I see other free agency threads left alone. I can't figure it out. That's one of the reasons I quit posting on this board for a while.
If your intent is getting information to the rest of us then what is the problem to you if your thread is merged? We will see it. It is not a "punishment" if your thread gets merged into an existing one.
If your intent is to "get your name in lights" by posting a new thread for all to see your name on the front page then I can understand being disgruntled and confused.
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I try to do what's right, but it appears to be a discretionary thing depending on who's turn it is to watch the board.
Trying to do what's right is all anyone can ask of anybody. We do the same.
There are no "turns". We all try to be on here as often and as much as we can on an individual basis.
As moderators we try to be consistant as a group. We have many discussions on issues so that we are all on the same page. If you see an inconsistancy then, since we all try to read everythig, the chances are we do too. That's when we discuss the matter so in the future we can avoid that.
What is the big deal here is that solid, factual, informational articles and well thought-out opinions get presented in a format that gives everyone a chance to see and read everything.
Having a new thread for every little twist on a single topic just scatters the information all over the place making it harder to view it all and have ongoing discussions on it. Would you rather try and follow three or four or five discussions on a single topic or have it merged as one so all the information and opinons are centrally located and easy to follow?
We make mistakes and are not always as consistant as we'd like to be. But overall this board is pretty easy to get around and find all the information and discussions on each topic. That is our goal.
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I'm just curious if there is anyone in the 1st that Phil is extremely high on and is willing to move for. The sign and trade may help us do that if so....
You can bet that very few people beyond Phil knows his strong interest in a specific person. But, yep, agree with you again on the possible sign and trade for players or picks or both.
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Could we possibly be witnessing a sign and trade here???
NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... makes no sense on any level ... we could tender him and that accomplishes the same thing a sign and trade does ... only diff is we arent' on the hook for the Signing bonus ...
If we sign DA to a 3 year deal hes here for at least one of those ...,,
NO WAY ITS A SIGN AND TRADE ... just makes zero sense ...
nice thought though .. ....
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I'll be there someday...Although it will just be for lunch. I will bring my wife with me, (who hates Quinn) that should be punishment enough.
Is she planning on brown bagging it cause she sure as hell aint eating with us ...
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Could we possibly be witnessing a sign and trade here???
NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... makes no sense on any level ... we could tender him and that accomplishes the same thing a sign and trade does ... only diff is we arent' on the hook for the Signing bonus ...
If we sign DA to a 3 year deal hes here for at least one of those ...,,
NO WAY ITS A SIGN AND TRADE ... just makes zero sense ...
nice thought though .. ....
Aren't many signing bonuses small/eliminated now? Couldn't the contract be structured so that he is paid salaries and "roster bonuses" and "workout bonuses" and the like, so if traded; the new team would be responsible for these?
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shark....great news..hope it gets done soon. Two starting caliber QBs are better than one...mac
How is it great news when it's obviously inaccurate?
"Falsely want a 6 year deal" ???
I hope they get it done as well, but this isn't any indication.
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NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... makes no sense on any level
Sure it does. It takes the burden of singing him to a longer deal away from the team who wants him.
If we are signing him to the terms another team wants to take on, it makes a whole lot of sense.
As to the bonus.......baseball teams add cash to trades all the time. In the NFL they can;t do that, so clearing the bonus or a portion of it is how that would be done.
Lets me ask you a question.
If Savage could buy a draft choice, do you think he would??
I do.
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Nice use of infer and implied.
My 2 cents. I don't see why DA would sign with us before FA begins. If I'm in his shoes I am trying to get the best offer and most money possible. I am sure DA's agent has feelers out there and have some idea of the amount of interest in DA.
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Aren't many signing bonuses small/eliminated now?
No ... where is this coming from???
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Couldn't the contract be structured so that he is paid salaries and "roster bonuses" and "workout bonuses" and the like, so if traded; the new team would be responsible for these?
Sure ... but whats in it for DA?? ... U expect him to sign a contract that allows us to trade him to any team we choose and takes away the only small chip he holds in this entire negotiation??
NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... what is DA's incentive here??
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The Jets seem to be a possibility. They have given Vilma the OK to find a trade. We could use him... they could use DA.
I don't think that would happen. The Jets gave Vilma the OK to find a trade because he doesn't play well in the 3-4 defense...
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NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... makes no sense on any level
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Sure it does.
OK . Let me change that to ,, NOT A SHOT IN HELL .... at least not to anyone with a football IQ of over ... lets say 10 ...
there is that better???
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It takes the burden of singing him to a longer deal away from the team who wants him.
They don't have that burden now unless they want it .... there is NO MINIMUM # of years they have to sign an RFA to ... put things in context for a change ...
If a team wants DA and there willing to give up a 1st for him .. then there COMMITTED TO HIM and signing him to a long term deal is the least of their worries .. if they are only willing to give up a 2nd or 3rd for him and we'll except it then they won't have to worry about us matching ANY DEAL that they throw our their ...
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If we are signing him to the terms another team wants to take on, it makes a whole lot of sense.
Yup ... right up until the football IQ actually reaches 11 and we all realize said team could just as easy sign him to the SAME DAMM CONTRACT ...
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As to the bonus.......baseball teams add cash to trades all the time. In the NFL they can;t do that, so clearing the bonus or a portion of it is how that would be done.
*LOL* .... so were going to sign DA and give him a 6 mill SB as a cash throw in to trade him ... *LOL* ...
Psst .. Baseball does not have this little restraint the NFL refers to as the SALARY CAP ...
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Lets me ask you a question.
If Savage could buy a draft choice, do you think he would??
I do.
I agree ... he would .. as would any GM .. but again .... this MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL ... on many levels ... heres what your asking us to believe ...
1A ... he all ready has a trade worked out with another team al we have to do is sign DA and eat his SB at the rate the teams agree to and not DA and his agent ....
OR .....
1B. He's going to sign DA to a 3 year deal and give him a SB that he hopes will increase DA's value enough to other teams to garner us a 1st rnd pick???
1B is pretty damm risky .. and we'd be IDIOTS to agree to 1A .. DA has value to us .. and DA + eating a 6 Mill or so SB is not worth a 1st rnd pick ...
ALSO in Plan B your pretty much telling us that Opie is going sign DA to a deal and then trade him before the draft .... Ya .. that'd go over real well with every other player involved in contract talks with Opie for the rest of his career ... and so far Opie has built a Rep of being a pretty honest and fait negotiator .. now hes just going to have a brain fart and leave this small little detail out ..
*LOL* ...
NOT A SHOT IN HELL ...
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NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... makes no sense on any level ... we could tender him and that accomplishes the same thing a sign and trade does ... only diff is we arent' on the hook for the Signing bonus ...
Sign and trade means that whatever team we trade him to has him locked up for whatever number of years and that has to be more appealing then a High Tender and Pick up in FA? More cost effective for the acquireing team as well,,
And I would think it's not a big choke point for the Browns as long as the signing bonus isn't to far out of line..
So I don't think it's a mortal lock that if he's signed, he's here! But your probably right!
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Psst .. Baseball does not have this little restraint the NFL refers to as the SALARY CAP
I understand that....and we don't know where another team might actually be against the cap.
We also don't know how the final parameters would be structured under such a deal.
You asked why it could make any sense. I explained it to you.
I am not placing any odds of that happening...just educating you on why it could make sense..
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Sign and trade means that whatever team we trade him to has him locked up for whatever number of years and that has to be more appealing then a High Tender and Pick up in FA?
*LOL* ... some folks just don't get it ...
Ah well ... not my problem ...
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You asked why it could make any sense. I explained it to you.
AHAAA .... There is part of the problem ... where in the following three lines do u see me asking for an explanation ..
NO SHOT IN HELL ....
it makes NO SENSE on ANY LEVEL ...
NO WAY ITS A SIGN AND TRADE ... just makes zero sense ...
where exactly am I giving U the impression I am asking a question or am asking for an explanation ..... was I not being CLEAR ENOUGH ... *LOL* ...
but if u think there is BETTER THAN A SHOT IN HELL chance of this happening ...
i WILL GIVE 1,000 - 1 ODDS on any amount of cash u would like ... *LOL* ....
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NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... what is DA's incentive here??
DA's incentive could be the teams incentive and visa versa..
If he knows he has to sign here before something else happens, then the attitude changes.
Again, not saying that is the case. Just telling you how it can make sense.
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If DA does resign with us before FA, that tells me his agents feelers came back with little interest from other teams.
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
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If DA does resign with us before FA, that tells me his agents feelers came back with little interest from other teams.
At least at the cost of a 1 and 3 with the team willing to match. With the low numbers being mentioned, it would be a good bet it would have to be a pretty good number for us not to match.
Savage wants control of the contract numbers and who we might send him to. Anderson doesn't want that, but right now, he doesn't have the leverage to do anything about it....he isn't good enough for a team to give up big numbers and picks...it is going to have to be on our terms.
Phil played this one well.
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LOL* ... some folks just don't get it ...
weak response,, demonstrating that you have no clue.....
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Given your evasiveness on answerring any direct questions about where you value Andersons worth to the Browns to be, it certainly leaves your agenda open to interpritation....
You seem to be looking for a fight. I don't want to fight with you. Ref 1 said that kind of stuff is against the rules. Now, please quit antagonizing me and leave me alone until you can start speaking to me like a man?
Thanks.
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Bro, it's kinda crazy that you are defending DA. *L* But you know as well as I do that some of these posters are saying we are only signing DA to trade him because they still need to justify their belief that we should unload him. And then we have others who are saying the only reason DA will sign w/us is because no other teams are interested in him. I don't know about you, but those two possible scenarios are pretty far apart....like on opposite ends of the spectrum. One has it that we will trade him to a team that obviously wants him and the other has it that no team wants him at all. Yeah....okay guys.  I think the more likely scenario is the one that Phil and RAC have been talking about all along. They want to keep DA on the team and prolong making a decision on who to keep and who to let go for as long as possible. It's smart and I don't understand why it is so hard for some to comprehend.
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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