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The Browns have also tendered Daven Holly the second-round level, meaning he'll be paid about $1.4 million if he doesn't sign with another team. If he does, the team would owe the Browns a second-round pick.
not to go unnoticed, but this is a good move, A solid back-up / fill in player already in our system for only 1.4 million is a deal, and if some team wants him we get a second round pick for him.......Phil once again browns in position for a win / win.....wonder if Miami needs a DB like Holly.... 
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That's what it sounds like, and that is ideally what I think is best IMO. But until it's final, I'm not counting on anything.
I'd love to get back into the first round of the draft and better our defense. If we can get a first and third, I'd be ecstatic. If not, we have 2 QBs. Nothing wrong with that.
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If DA tests the market and there is no interest, why wouldn't Phil lower that 3 year offer??? What's keeping him from pulling that for an even better deal (from the Browns' side of the table)?
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What's keeping him from pulling that for an even better deal (from the Browns' side of the table)?
His reputation. He has said that the offer would still stand after FA begins. He's not going back on his word.
Interesting about not accepting anything less than a 1st and 3rd. It's all or nothing, I guess. Hmmmm, well, it looks like this will drag on out for probably the next few days, maybe even weeks. And to those of you that are planning on burning the midnight oil waiting for the BIG NEWS tonight, you may want to reconsider. I remember last year, everyone was up all night anticipating some huge signing and the deal for Steinbach didn't come until the next day (March 2, 2007). Just because FA starts at 12:00, doesn't mean anything will happen tonight.
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I don't get home from work till midnight.
What else am I going to do?
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Watch ESPN?
While sitting online.
I can multi-task. 
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Interesting about not accepting anything less than a 1st and 3rd. It's all or nothing, I guess. Hmmmm, well, it looks like this will drag on out for probably the next few days, maybe even weeks. And to those of you that are planning on burning the
How long does the Fa signing period go on or until when, It must end before the draft or that 1st & 3rd wont mean anything for teams this year. so it this could go on until possibley the last minute which is sometimes in early - mid April ?
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so what teams really need or could use an upgrade at QB that might want to take Derek?
Kansas City?
Chicago?
Minnesota?
Washington?
Miami?
NY Jets?
Baltimore?
Detroit?
Carolina?
Some of those teams may not be needing one bad but... I don't know. What do you all think?
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Twelve hours before the free agency period begins, Phil Savage says the Browns are prepared for whatever Derek Anderson decides to do.
The Browns have offered Anderson a three-year contract, and Savage said Thursday morning he believes there's a chance Anderson will sign it before midnight tonight.
If he doesn't, he'll become a restricted free agent and be able to negotiate with other teams. If that happens, Savage believes another team would "make it extremely difficult" for the Browns to match that offer and meet their offseason goal of keeping both Anderson and Brady Quinn.
"If he's willing to take the walk out there, there's got to be some indication there's something at the end of the rainbow," Savage said. "We have a pretty good strong package out there with the opportunity to play with a good group of players and a good coach.
"That would be my take on it. My natural assumption is if he were to walk away from what we have out there, there must be some sort of indication there's something out there for him.
"Our whole intention is to keep both (Anderson and Quinn). At some point we know we have to make a decision. That point could come as soon as the next few days or it could come two years from now. Who knows?"
Savage said the Browns have submitted their tender offer, ensuring the Browns would receive first and third round draft picks as compensation if Anderson signs with another team and the Browns don't match. Savage said the Browns won't be involved in any trade negotiations with potential suitors.
"We've already indicated we won't do that," Savage said. "We're not going to take less than what's on that sheet of paper.
"We value the player."
If Anderson doesn't sign elsewhere or reach a long-term deal with the Browns, he'd play 2008 with the Browns on the one-year tender.
Savage said he's asked Anderson's representatives for an answer by this evening so the Browns can finalize their plans for attacking free agency at midnight. Anderson's potential signing obviously would impact the Browns' budget going forward.
As for whether the Browns' offer would change if Anderson doesn't sign it by tonight, Savage said, "I don't think it would be off the table. I think the offer would be impacted.
"I think if Derek wants to be a Brown and really wants to stay here, he can do that rather easily. If he wants to take an opportunity to explore the possibilities out there, he can do that, too. He's earned the right to get to this point because of his play last year. I don't begrudge him if he wants to explore what's out there. We're in a good situation either way.
"It really comes down to what he wants to do."
Savage said the Browns plan to be on the phone at midnight tonight, trying to entice some free agents to visit Berea over the next couple of days. He said he doesn't anticipate any immediate signings like have happened in previous years, but the Browns hope to have visitors and possibly sign them over the weekend.
"We feel like there might be some opportunities out there the next few days that potentially can help us," he said.
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Savage said the Browns plan to be on the phone at midnight tonight, trying to entice some free agents to visit Berea over the next couple of days. He said he doesn't anticipate any immediate signings like have happened in previous years, but the Browns hope to have visitors and possibly sign them over the weekend.
"We feel like there might be some opportunities out there the next few days that potentially can help us," he said.
IE don't expect a CB from NE or a LB from Chicago to sign with us tonight
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Savage said, "I don't think it would be off the table. I think the offer would be impacted.
the offer would be impacted??????? I'm not sure what that means. Maybe the browns still offer a 3 year contract but the value is decreased???? The wording of that is very curious.
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Rumor has it Briggs is all but locked up and he will be a gold mining fool ...
by whom?
and if it is why don't you like Briggs?
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so what teams really need or could use an upgrade at QB that might want to take Derek?
Kansas City?
Chicago?
Minnesota?
Washington?
Miami?
NY Jets?
Baltimore?
Detroit?
Carolina?
Some of those teams may not be needing one bad but... I don't know. What do you all think?
Atlanta is another.
Some of those teams won't bite. I think Washington still will think Campbell is their man. Detroit seems to still like Kitna, and have their QB drafted last year, though he was on IR.
Minnesota for some reason likes Jackson. I don't think he's got what it takes personally.
Carolina needs to let go of Delhomme. He's whiny and on the downslide. But I don't think they'll bite, either.
KC has about the worse QB situation out there. They really need to bone up and fix that problem.
LMAO....I remember a lot of writers saying we had the worse starting QB(s) going into last season. What a difference a year makes, eh?
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What's keeping him from pulling that for an even better deal (from the Browns' side of the table)?
His reputation. He has said that the offer would still stand after FA begins. He's not going back on his word.
Obviously, he's not going back on his word. I guess the real question is, why did he practically guarantee that the same offer would stand?
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It would be decreased ... at least that's what he's saying now ... there really playing hardball with DA ... there giving the PERCEPTION of giving him 2 options ..
1. Sign now ... or
2. sign the tender and then get a reduced 3 year deal UNLESS someone gives us a 1st and 3rd ...
my guess is if he doesn't sign and is tendered then the fun begins ... then it becomes a game cause the one thing we have made clear is that we do not want to sign DA to a long term contract ... so now the games would begin .. cause no team is going to give up a 1st and 3rd for DA and we don't want to sign him long term ...
it could get interesting and become a BIG PI$$IN match between DA's agents and the Browns if we truely won't accept anything less than a 1st and 3rd ...and we don't want the pi$$in match as their is never any true winners in those ...
TICKETY TICKETY TOCK .... we have about 10 hrs. and 41 minutes to go till midnight .... then we'll know ... with the org. hopefully knowing a few hours earlier ...
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Niner 49er ... gold mining fools is what they were .. and I like Briggs hence why I am irrate ... this is a REAL WEAK FA CLASS ... and he is one of the very few that could make a BIG IMPACT for us .. the DL in this class are NUTTIN TO WRITE HOME ABOUT ..
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How many 100 mill dollar contracts can they have? Holy crap though Patrick Willis and Lance Briggs what a combo... 
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Savage said, "I don't think it would be off the table. I think the offer would be impacted.
the offer would be impacted??????? I'm not sure what that means. Maybe the browns still offer a 3 year contract but the value is decreased???? The wording of that is very curious.
It's my opinion that Phil is giving hints that the contract is going to decrease in value after FA opens. I've felt that way since reading it in an aricle in this very thread.
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Baltimore would make sense. They're getting old, and their window is closing. They can't afford to groom a young QB, unless they decide to scrap it all now and rebuild the whole thing.
Of course shipping a 1st and a 3rd to a divisional rival to get back some guy you released two years ago could be a tough sell ...
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Obviously, he's not going back on his word. I guess the real question is, why did he practically guarantee that the same offer would stand?
When and where did he gaurantee that ... he certainly didnt do it here and he didn't do it on the past from what I;ve read .. all i read was our offer would be reduced after FA started as we would be pursuing others and our budget would change ..
when did u hear different???
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The Dline in the draft aren't much to get excited about either..there are more than in FA ...but not a lot for a 34..there are some good LB's..
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the offer would be impacted??????? I'm not sure what that means. Maybe the browns still offer a 3 year contract but the value is decreased???? The wording of that is very curious.
That is a pretty interesting comment. I wouldn't be surprised if it does mean the deal would decrease if, indeed, there is no interest at all.
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The Rats window is SLAMMED SHUT ... there OL is in shambles .. its HORRIBLE ... even if Ogden does come back at full strength hes not near as good as he used to be ... there skill position players are BRUTAL ... and there D is on the decline .. lewis is a mere shadow of himself when hes actually HEALTHY and thats just the start of it ...
There a team on the decline ... its SLAMMED SHUT .... time to start re-building if they have a clue at all ....
I forgot .. who did they hire as thier sacrificial lamb .. err I mean new Head Coach .. *LOL* ...
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The Dline in the draft aren't much to get excited about either..there are more than in FA ...but not a lot for a 34..there are some good LB's..
Saddly
FA there isnt anybody out thier I'd jump thru hoops to sign, or take a chance of paying more than thier value for.
Draft: seeing where we pick # 56 I cant get excited about what might be left, & one second round pick isnt gonna change our Run defence like we hope & wish.
I do think the most intrging possiblity is looking at player who were resently released, trading for DL / LB or even waiting and seeing who is released thru training camps, But these players will only be a one or two year fill in until Fa next year / Draft.
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Obviously, he's not going back on his word. I guess the real question is, why did he practically guarantee that the same offer would stand?
When and where did he gaurantee that ... he certainly didnt do it here and he didn't do it on the past from what I;ve read .. all i read was our offer would be reduced after FA started as we would be pursuing others and our budget would change ..
when did u hear different???
You're right. You can call me Andy Pettitte because I misremembered what I had read. I thought Phil was saying the same offer would be on the table, but it looks like what he's really saying is that an offer will be on the table, albeit most likely a decreased one.
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Nope. I think they're going to let Croyle be the guy at least one more year.
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Well, I am now officially changing my mind about DA's agent. I said earlier that whether they sign or not doesn't necessarily mean there is or is not any interest out there. Hearing it from Phil, it does sound like perhaps there would have to be some major interest for DA to test the market when FA begins. If not, knowing that the offer would "be impacted" once FA begins, DA would be stupid not to sign the deal beforehand. Wow, this is really getting sticky and I just hope all ends well on our side of things. I know it seems like a win-win either way, but ultimately there are two things we MUST avoid when all is said and done; a) A QB controversy. b) 2 disgruntled QBs. (one because he signed a bum deal and the other beause we keep stringing him along while we wait to make a commitment to someone.)
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Well, this is how the DA situation will play out. Phil is brilliant!
First he puts an offer out to DA that he feels the Agent will not want due to greed. BUT the offer is fairly high for a 3 year deal... 16-20 million and 11 million guarateed... not shabby but not quite enough.
So DA will test the "Free Agency Market" looking for a payday. ANY long term deal with decent money would be better than a short term deal that guarantees you will soon be a back up QB again. DA's situation may never be better for finding a starting role... so we wait and see.
If DA get's his deal WE get compensated... which is what we really want most. Phil's latest word is that "we will not negotiate a trade, we want what's on the sheet, we value the player"... smoke and mirrors????
Phill wants to maximize the compensation for DA if he finds a deal out there, that is what he is really saying IMHO.
If DA doesn't get his deal then we sign him to a short term contract with starter money but less than 20 million, a long term contract at a huge discount (terms favoring the browns) or he plays 08 on a tender (giving us another year to establish/review his true value before we offer any kind of long term deal).
Phil will keep DA before he just gives him away BUT it will be on our terms.
The entire situation has been handled brilliantly and once again no matter what happens Phil has the Browns posistioned to win in the end.
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Actually I'd prefer to call u the Rocket ... cause appearantly he MISREMEMBERED a whole lot more things than Andy did ...
Suitors for DA ..
Minni .. NOT A SHOT IN HELL ... Childress drafted the Bum they have their now .. he's going no where as of yet ...
KC .. as long as Peterson is still there Croyle will be given a shot ..
Fish .. Beck is toast .. not what the Tuna likes ... DA is exactly what he likes ... STRONG ARMED .... no way he's giving up his #1 for him .. if he can trade down with someone who has two #1's or somehow make enough trades to aquire two #1's he may trade us one of them ... but that 2nd rnd. pick this year .. pretty much a 1 ....
but IMO .. NOT A SHOT IN HELL he does .. and Yes Daman I am aware it COULE HAPPEN ... 
Rats ... NOT A SHOT IN HELL ...
Chicago ... they'd have to be the leading candidates in the clubhouse .. and they've shown just enough STUPIDITY in the past at handling the QB situation that they just may do it ..
Detroit ..... Interesting .. who's their new OC .. but again .. NO WAY A FIRST ..
the Jets .. NO WAY ...
who else is there??
Skins ... NOW WAY .... Zorn has said he is commited to Jason ..
Carolina .. naaa ... they need a QB . but a bunch of other stuff to ..
Atlanta ... naa .. their going to draft Ryan ...
thats all I can think of ..
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Lots of unknowns ...
1. the deal "could" be impacted ... we'll have to see .. and then the big questionS down that line are as follows ..
A. how much will it be impacted ... is it worth a few million on the back end witch DA may or may not ever see anyhow to dip your toes in the water ...
B. is some team out there telling DA we have interest in him and they eventually back out for a plethora of reasons ...
2. DA's agents at this very moment could just be trying to squeeze every last penny out of Opie .. I would be ... its MY JOB ...
3. DA's agents could be working the phones to see if their is any interest in him as the last hours tick away ..
up until Midnight they HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE .. and even after midnight .. how much are they really going to lose ...
like i said .. a VERY HIGH STAKES GAME OF CAT AND MOUSE ...
at the end of the day .. he's going to end up a Dawg .. either sometime this evening or over the next few weeks ..
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