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Ok,

lets say Miami does put an offer in for DA, then decides to trade the #1 to Dallas for their two #1s and Barber/Jones, how funny would it be for us to get our #1 back that we traded to Dallas last year.... Maybe it is me, maybe its the beer, but I think that would be funny.

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Ok,

lets say Miami does put an offer in for DA, then decides to trade the #1 to Dallas for their two #1s and Barber/Jones, how funny would it be for us to get our #1 back that we traded to Dallas last year.... Maybe it is me, maybe its the beer, but I think that would be funny.

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That can't happen. Teams must use their picks in a tender situation, they can't trade their picks for other picks and then use those picks.

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NRTU

Look at this.
This is contrary to everything that Opie has said. This may be a KFFL goof...

Browns | Savage says if Anderson doesn't accept offer they won't bring him back
Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:44:09 -0800

ESPNews reports Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage said that if QB Derek Anderson does not accept the team's three-year, $20 million deal, the team will not re-sign him.

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What about the Niners?

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He also said...

By this evening we will know if Anderson is a Brown in 2008...

Savage fully expects Anderson to get a deal we WILL NOT match...

Enter Brady Quinn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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He also said...

By this evening we will know if Anderson is a Brown in 2008...

Savage fully expects Anderson to get a deal we WILL NOT match...

Enter Brady Quinn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This is the statement that those reports TWISTED!!! lol.. MEDIA!

I just want to know who we are going to sign!!

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I just want to know who's first round pick we are going to have

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I like Phil's stand that he will accept nothing less than whats on the paper.. a 1st and 3rd rounder.... GREAT POKER FACE!!!

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I like Phil's stand that he will accept nothing less than whats on the paper.. a 1st and 3rd rounder.... GREAT POKER FACE!!!

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I like Phil's stand that he will accept nothing less than whats on the paper.. a 1st and 3rd rounder.... GREAT POKER FACE!!!

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if hes offering thge guy 20 mil over 3 years he obviously thinks hes a darn good QB...which would make the 1 and 3 fair value

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Yeah that contract is less than what Shaffer, Bentley, Thomas, and Steiney each make...

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Yeah that contract is less than what Shaffer, Bentley, Thomas, and Steiney each make...

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And DA wouldn't have had half the year he had without those guys.

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now your asking me to believe a teams eval of Woodson is going to change based on the STOP GAP piece of JUNK they get to fit in for a year or two ...

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Not unless someone ELSE named OverToad said that, because I didn't.

The VALUE of the guy sitting in front of Woodson can change the teams idea of which direction it needs to go. More on that in a moment.....

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U either COMMIT TO DA or U don't .. he the LEAD DOMINO in this scenario for anyone interested in him ...

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What you're either unable or unwilling to see is that because the price to get Anderson is a 1st and a 3rd AND a high-end contract, he isn't the lead domino right now.

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Bro .. theres an old saying that hardly ever pertains to U .. but in this case its the best advice I can give U ..

Quit while your behind .. everytime U post U fall further behind .

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While the compliment part was favorable, the rest smells kinda like that chocolate-covered pig that came out from the wrong side of your barn door

Or maybe you mean I'm diggin' a deeper hole such as when I told you Anderson would be offered a $10+ million dollar guarantee to sign, and you told me I WAY OVERSHOT his value

You won't mind if I prove you wrong again, will you?

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With a quarterback who struggled at times in his first full year as a starter, the Vikings could be looking to bring in a little competition.

Or a lot.

Per Don Banks of SI.com, the Vikes are interested in Texans backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels. Rosenfels generated a passer rating of 84.8 last season, appearing in nine games. He was 4-1 and a starter.

Tarvaris Jackson was 8-4 as the starter in Minnesota last season. His passer rating of 70.8 barely put him on the right side of our patented Kordoza line.

Banks says that the Vikes have offered a third-round selection for Rosenfels. The Texans want a second-round pick.

Regardless of whether the deal goes down for a two or a three or not at all, the message to Jackson is clear -- one way or another, there will be competition for the starting job in 2008.

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So the Vikings have now made my point for me.

Who would you rather have: Sage Rosenfels or Derek Anderson?

WHY are the Vikings after Rosenfels over Anderson? You need me to tell you, don't you *L*

Because Anderson's value........the 1st and a 3rd and his big contract..........are far tougher to swallow than the 3rd (or 2nd) that it'd cost to get a STOP-GAP QB.

Now......If Anderson could be snatched up for a 2nd round pick, you gotta know the Vikings would be all over him. I don't think there's a person on this board that would argue Rosenfels is a better prospect than Anderson.

Remember, A leads to B leads to C:

A: Savage hit Anderson with the highest Tender because he doesn't want to let him get away unless we get majorly compensated

B: The Viking aren't currently willing to pay what it'd cost to get Anderson because of the costs, despite the fact that he's the best QB on any market right now

C: David Dunn is being smart by waiting because if a deal for Rosenfels falls through, the Vikings, who are now stating they aren't willing to hand the job to Jackson, may be forced to increase what they pay in order to land a QB.

Sorry bro, but as we CLEARLY see, a lesser quarterback is getting more attention because Anderson's costs are prohibitive.

Summary: Anderson isn't the first player. Another stop-gap QB is.

Quit while I'm behind my 3-legged behind

You're 0 for the last 2. Care to try for the trifecta?

On a more serious note, if the Vikings have decided that Jackson isn't a lock for the job, they may throw up the white flag and go after Anderson if they can't land Rosenfels. To say it's out of the question is selling the entire situation short. If Dunn didn't feel as though there isn't a team out there that could conceivably make a move for Anderson, he'd have signed the offer and been done with it.

I get your point. You're stating that if a team commits to Anderson, they will make him the starter. I get that. What you aren't accepting is the very real possibility that a team may not be able to land Plan A, and be forced to overpay for the privelege of landing Plan B, which is Anderson.

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Look at this.
This is contrary to everything that Opie has said. This may be a KFFL goof...

Browns | Savage says if Anderson doesn't accept offer they won't bring him back
Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:44:09 -0800

ESPNews reports Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage said that if QB Derek Anderson does not accept the team's three-year, $20 million deal, the team will not re-sign him.

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Yeah...That's NOT what he said...

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Want to see ANOTHER instance of horrid media reporting?

Check it out:

FoxSports idiocy

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Savage: Anderson almost out of time with Browns

BEREA, Ohio (AP) - The Browns want quarterback Derek Anderson back, but are prepared to begin the Brady Quinn era if no deal can be reached.

Cleveland has tendered Anderson a one-year offer for $2.5 million in 2008, and also made a three-year offer - reportedly worth $20 million, with $10 million guaranteed.

If Anderson declines the multiyear offer and becomes a restricted free agent Friday, it's unlikely he'll be back, general manager Phil Savage said Thursday.

"If he's willing to take the walk out there, there's got to be some indication there's something at the end of the rainbow," Savage said.

If Anderson signs with another team, Savage said the Browns wouldn't be able to match the offer. Instead, they'd take the first- and third-round pick draft picks they'd receive as compensation and turn to fan favorite Quinn as the starting quarterback.

"If Derek wants to be a Brown and really wants to stay here in Cleveland and play with the players that are on our team, then he can do that rather easily," Savage said. "We can look in the mirror and know we put a strong offer out there.

"But he's earned the right to get to this point because of his play last year. We're in a good situation either way."

Savage said the team's position isn't an ultimatum. But with free agency around the corner, the team has a budget with Anderson's three-year deal and another without it.

A message seeking comment was left with Anderson's agent, Mark Humenik.

Cleveland is desperate for help on the defensive line and at linebacker, and Savage expects to target those positions immediately in free agency.

The 24-year-old Anderson threw 29 touchdown passes and 19 interceptions last season and went 10-5 after taking over as the starter in Week 2. He made the Pro Bowl as an alternate.

Quinn, from Notre Dame, was limited to just eight passes as a rookie after the Browns traded their first-round draft pick in 2008 to take him with the No. 22 pick last April. He would remain the backup if Anderson agrees to the three-year deal.

"There's a comfort level that Brady can walk in, administrate the offense and do even more than that," Savage said. "He does have some mobility, is physically strong and has a good arm. The mental part is going to end up being his greatest strength."

If Anderson leaves, the Browns would be in the market for an experienced backup, Savage said.

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Talk about putting words into Savage's mouth

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I don't know how this will play out and I won't speculate w/out the facts.

I do have to say this though. It seems like most people think this is a win-win situation for the Browns. I agree that it could be, but if DA walks and realizes that "huge upside" that Savage talked about and BQ flops like a Couch, a McCown, a Losman, a Harrington, a Leaf, a Schuler, a George, a Boller, a Grossman, etc, etc, etc.............than the Browns could lose. And lose in a big way.

I hope he stays and the decision is made by performance, not on hope.

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the Texans wanted a second-round pick.

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the Texans wanted a second-round pick.

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Come again?

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Getting back to Anderson, if Rosenfels is worth a 3rd round pick to one team (a 2nd rounder to another) then it's well within belief that a team would be willing to do something with Anderson. Likely? I won't say that, but it's suddenly possible. All it takes is one, hehe.

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What about the Niners?

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They don't have their 1st round pick, so they can't meet the required compensation. IIRC a team must use their original pick, and not one acquired by a trade. So, if Miami were interested in DA, they could not trade their pick down and then use that lower one for compensation.

We would be able to work out different compensation with a team before they made an offer to DA, but Savage (as of now) said he has let it be known that he would not take less than a 1st and 3rd.

Draft position alone would likely rule out Miami and KC.

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