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I have to admit I'm a little disappointed in this deal. Why couldn't we have just let him play under the 2.5M tender and figure out what to do 2009. At that point we'd have some clarity as to BQ and DA, then we could commit.
This is a weird, middle of the road decision to me.
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Anderson has agreed to a three-year, $26 million contract, including $14.5 million guaranteed, to stay with the Browns, reports the NFL Network's Adam Schefter.
that is some serious money. I wonder how Quinn feels right now? I have to wonder if it would have been more cost effective to leave him at the 2.6m tender, and then if he played well next year, just go ahead and franchise him until a long term deal is worked out. What is the hit on a franchise QB?
Well, its a good problem to have. Two young QB's, for one more year they both should be happy but something is going to have to give at some point.
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I have to admit I'm a little disappointed in this deal. Why couldn't we have just let him play under the 2.5M tender and figure out what to do 2009. At that point we'd have some clarity as to BQ and DA, then we could commit.
This is a weird, middle of the road decision to me.
Because this way if he does do well this year we can trade him for something... if he does well then we either give him a huge pay day or lose him to free agency with getting nothing in return.
On the flip side... if he does poorly and gets put in a back-up role we can still try to trade him for something lower, or just cut him.
The short contract works well for both sides.
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Cleveland Browns quarterback carousel is turning
by Tony Grossi
Friday February 29, 2008, 10:58 AM
Do the Browns have a trade in the works for Derek Anderson?
That's the obvious question after reports that the quarterback agreed to terms this morning to a three-year deal.
Less than 12 hours earlier, Browns GM Phil Savage said he would not raise the club's offer of $20 million with $10 million in guarantees. Then the Columbus Dispatch reported the Browns upped the offer to about $24 million with $12 million in guarantees.
Savage also said the Browns would not trade Anderson for less than first- and third-round picks. But given the apparent change in contract offers, it's possible Savage could change his mind on a trade, too.
The Browns are presently without picks in the first and second rounds of the draft after they swapped their second-round pick to Green Bay for franchise defensive tackle Corey Williams. The first went last year to Dallas to move up and select Brady Quinn.
So now the Browns have a quarterback controversy, a defensive tackle and no picks in the first and second rounds.
There's got to be more to this.
Anybody agree with "our buddy" Mr. Grossi??
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To franchise tag a QB?? About $12-14 million for the one year.
This was by FAR the better move. Now we don't have to make a decision on anything based upon anyone's timetable but our own.
Browns is the Browns
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That would be my first reaction too...
if we are going with Anderson for this year (which I'm fine with) I would love to pick Phil's brain on why we upped the contract.
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Especially after he said he wouldnt.
I am not saying DA is going somewhere but i think SOMETHING is going to go down
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Especially after he said he wouldnt.
I am not saying DA is going somewhere but i think SOMETHING is going to go down
yeah... I know a lot of smoke gets blown... but that was a quick change of thinking.
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Browns, Anderson agree to terms
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The Browns have agreed to terms with quarterback Derek Anderson on a three-year contract, the team announced Friday.
Glad they got the deal done. Signing DA is what Savage wanted to do, but he wasn't opposed to the idea of obtaining a 1st & a 3rd round pick if it didn't work out. On that note, I personally don't see him starting for more than two more years, barring injury. Playing our division in particular, the possibility exists that, because of injury, Quinn gets at least one shot to run the show for a while within the next two years. I was excited for about five minutes at the prospect of getting a 1st & another 3rd round pick for DA, but Savage is right when he says we are in a unique situation in that we have two potential starters under 25. From a business point of view this makes great sense in that we probably won't see any drop off in production should DA go down because of both QBs skill set and familiarity within the system. I may be wrong, (as I often am,) but I don't see any scenario of a trade for at least two years, then I'd fully expect one. JMHO
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guess its pretty close to a wash then- that two year cost would be a guaranteed 14-16 million dollars. Maybe that was the thought process though, but with this contract less is guaranteed. Still a chunk of change either way we spin it.
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"but i think SOMETHING is going to go down "
Quinn's but on the bench?
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Right or wrong, we decided and acted. You can cope with knowns. Crystal balls are a luxury. I am not a huge fan, but we have depth. He has some horrible stuff he does badly, habits that need coached out. Chud needs to call to his strength; but it should be doable. We caved quickly, but in FA everybody seems to get more than I might consider ample. But this opens the door to our visitors without question marks. We are more in control IMO. So a goo day. Will it be a good season? Will BQ still keep his endorsements? All the world's our stage and so we shall wait and see. . . . .
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Hopefully not DA's QB rating/ completion percentage and his TD/INT ratio like it did over the last the half of the season.
Who says they wont trade Quinn?
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Lol..........Funny stuff. I still cant understand how people can honestly think DA is getting traded at this point...lol., However, although I agree DA will start the season as starter I wouldn't be so sure about him finishing the year as starter. DAs biggest flaw is his inability to throw accurately with ANY sort of pressure applied to him. I don't care how good your OL is when you face good Ds your going to have some type of pressure and make your QB do more than a 3 step and throw routine. Bro next year we have a much tougher schedule against MUCH tougher Ds. If DA doesn't improve on this he's not going to be our starter long, because the losses and INTs will begin to mount. He has to get MUCH better at this to keep his job and for us to win games against the Ds we'll be facing this year.
Last year we had one of the easiest schedules in the NFL........next year it will be among the toughest.
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We all saw the same thing last year.There could be very good reasons behind his faltering,or it could be he just wasn't that good to begin with.I'm not qualified enough to make that determination.
As far as Quinn goes,other than the 8 passes late in the season,there's not much else to go on.He looks the part,does stupid commercials.
PS likes them both,that's a good sign. Eventually one of the two will establish himself as the starter.The other will backup and then be traded.Not an entirely bad sitiation to be in.
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Great news!!!  I told Diam and Shep in PMs that I was hoping we would sign DA to a three year deal. Can't believe it worked out so perfectly. It allows us time to choose the right QB for the long haul. The battle will be won on the field, rather than on talk shows, in the media, and on message boards. I'm loving Savage more and more. One thing I think people are missing. Yesterday, it was reported that Savage said that the offer could be impacted if DA didn't sign before the the deadline. Most assumed this meant that it would be reduced. Savage didn't use the word "reduced," he said impacted. I hate to speculate w/out facts, but it would make sense to me that there was indeed a suitor for DA. Perhaps it wasn't a huge offer, but it was good enough of an offer for Savage to feel the need to increase the Brown's offer. The situation is pretty good here in Cleveland for a QB. DA can have more success w/the Brown's offense than he could w/teams such as Atlanta, Carolina, Chicago, etc. Thus, DA chose to stay w/the Browns. I think it boils down to something very simple............Savage likes DA's potential as a QB. He likes his upside. He wants to prolong the decision on the QB for as long as possible. He said all of those things and too many people did not want to give credence to those comments, but they sure as hell made sense to me. I too, see the huge upside in DA's game. I also think he is much more accurate than people give him credit for. I also think he helps the OL because he gets rid of the ball. I think his deep passing game helps open up holes for our running backs. I think his arm strength is a great thing for a guy like Edwards. He makes Edwards better. He makes our offense better. His teammates love the guy, especially the guys on the offensive line. On the other hand, DA still has some holes in his game. He has to improve his decision making. He has to improve his footwork when he is being pressured, because his accuracy suffers when his footwork fails him. He has to learn to manage the game more. Bottom line: He is young and can improve, but it isn't a sure thing. He's worth the money and the three years. The length of the contract also does not shut the door on a promising young Brady Quinn. Both QBs will have the opportunity to win/lose the job, just as it should be. The only thing that worries me is not Savage's decision making or DA's potential. What worries me is the fact that the most fans prefer BQ, even though he proved nothing on the field this year. They [yes many of you] are the ones who can, and probably will, make this situation ugly. I don't think DA or BQ will make it ugly. I don't think their teammates will make it ugly. I don't think the coaching staff or the front office will make it ugly. I do think that many media types and many fans will make it ugly, and that is a damn shame. It should not be about having a "favorite." It should be about what is best for the team. And I sincerely believe that keeping both DA and BQ on the roster and in competition for the starting job, for at least this year, is the best thing for the Cleveland Browns.
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Lol..........Funny stuff. I still cant understand how people can honestly think DA is getting traded at this point...lol., However, although I agree DA will start the season as starter I wouldn't be so sure about him finishing the year as starter. DAs biggest flaw is his inability to throw accurately with ANY sort of pressure applied to him. I don't care how good your OL is when you face good Ds your going to have some type of pressure and make your QB do more than a 3 step and throw routine. Bro next year we have a much tougher schedule against MUCH tougher Ds. If DA doesn't improve on this he's not going to be our starter long, because the losses and INTs will begin to mount. He has to get MUCH better at this to keep his job and for us to win games against the Ds we'll be facing this year.
Last year we had one of the easiest schedules in the NFL........next year it will be among the toughest.
And in a nutshell, you just explained why most of us are sceptical...
DA DOES have some upside though... He made SOME throws last year that were just downright AMAZING... The way this process has all played out just takes me by surprise that all...I just cannot see there being an open QB competition just based on the #'s that are being thrown around right now... Let's say DA falls flat and loses the starter's role just for arguments sake, you then have the backup QB making twice as much $ as the starter... In a quest to "wait and see" with what BOTH QB's bring to the table, the patience level for the young buck may be slim here....
Will be interesting nonetheless to see how this all unfolds...
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But then it occurred to us that maybe the trigger date for the first payment is far enough into the future (for example, one or two weeks) to gives the Browns an opportunity to move him. It wouldn't be definitive proof that there will be a trade; it would merely be evidence that a trade could happen.
And we've learned that the first payment is due to Anderson . . . in April.
Maybe it's due a couple of days after the draft? 
Hey,, wouldn't that qualify as a Sign and trade......?
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And we've learned that the first payment is due to Anderson . . . in April.
Make NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT...
Anderson IS and most likely WILL BE MOVED...
This ain't over by a longshot...
I wanna see this in WRITING...NEVER have we seen a contract of that size NOT have an IMMEDIATE sizeable payment in a Signing Bonus,,,Of which would KILL any trade thoughts due to the entire SB being an accelerated hit THIS year,,,
Stay tuned to this one folks... 
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POSTED 7:30 p.m. EST, February 29, 2008
BROWNS COULD STILL TRADE ANDERSON
Throughout the afternoon, we were flooded with e-mails from folks peddling rumors that the Browns might have signed quarterback Derek Anderson to a three-year contract merely in advance of trading him.
Our first reaction was that the Browns wouldn't want to make a huge bonus payment to Anderson and then trade him and an incur a huge cap hit.
But then it occurred to us that maybe the trigger date for the first payment is far enough into the future (for example, one or two weeks) to gives the Browns an opportunity to move him. It wouldn't be definitive proof that there will be a trade; it would merely be evidence that a trade could happen.
And we've learned that the first payment is due to Anderson . . . in April.
Again, this doesn't mean that he'll be traded. But unless and until that big payment is made there will be a window of opportunity for the Browns to move him.
Stay tuned.
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I thought I saw a PD article mentioning a signing bonus...........I'll look for it.
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This ain't over by a longshot...
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IMHO....Considering that Anderson's $ 14.5M Guaranteed money will have to be absorbed under our salary cap , I don't see us trading him now....It really bothers me since I feel that Mr. Savage , who I strongly support , has hurt our team during contract talks in general by going back on his statement that once Anderson turned down the original offer that it would Not be increased....In that sense this move puzzles me.....Besides this deal leaves Quinn in limbo and the longer that he sits on the bench his trade value drops .....
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j/c Savage is a genius if he structured a contract to DA that would allow the browns to postpone the signing bonus until after the draft. and i thought all of this trade DA stuff would come to an end once free agency started. Nope, more fuel to the fire. I am going to go on record as saying DA is a brown, he will be the starting QB in '08. There will be no trade. (and watch, tomorrow the news will be a trade to the falcons  )
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guaranteed money is not the same as a signing bonus..... it has no affect on the cap. others have explained this more thoroughly, its on the board somewhere.
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I don't know that is true.
I think some of that money can be passed off.
It all depends on when it is paid....
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OK...Some skinny from the PC by Savage per KNR,,,
1) The money reported in the media was not close to what we actually offered...What we agreed to was very close to what we initially offered...
2) Savage said WE ARE NOT TRADING ANDERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3) I wanna SEE this SB if there is one...It will speak VOLUMES...
There u have it...
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And we've learned that the first payment is due to Anderson . . . in April.
Make NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT...
Anderson IS and most likely WILL BE MOVED...
This ain't over by a longshot...
I wanna see this in WRITING...NEVER have we seen a contract of that size NOT have an IMMEDIATE sizeable payment in a Signing Bonus,,,Of which would KILL any trade thoughts due to the entire SB being an accelerated hit THIS year,,,
Stay tuned to this one folks...
You guys are amazing.
You really don't see the logic in my previous post? Not at all?
You really think we signed him to trade him?
You may be right, but it doesn't make as much sense as the scenario I proposed.
We'll see.
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I was listening, too...did he say no competition in camp?
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I was listening, too...did he say no competition in camp?
Coming from Brinda...Who was there...DA IS THE STARTING QB IN 2008...lol... 
And I must add...Savage said DA will not be traded in 2008...
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I was listening, too...did he say no competition in camp?
Shouldn't be really, unless Anderson absolutely sucks, he was a pro-bowl qb for us this year and should only get better if we add a target like Stallworth.
Anderson needs to work on his dump off passes and some of his decision making, but other than that he is really the perfect QB for this team.
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Coming from Brinda...Who was there...DA IS THE STARTING QB IN 2008...lol...
Yeah, that's what I thought he said.  That's just stupid.
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Thanks for the info DnD. At least we finally know  Here's to hoping DA works on those dump offs and touch passes.
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Coming from Brinda...Who was there...DA IS THE STARTING QB IN 2008...lol...
Yeah, that's what I thought he said. That's just stupid.
Why would we give the guy a 3 year 24 million dollar contract if we werent expecting him to start this year? That would be stupid.
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No, handing him the starting position is stupid when you very well may have a better QB in the house.
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Coming from Brinda...Who was there...DA IS THE STARTING QB IN 2008...lol...
Yeah, that's what I thought he said. That's just stupid.
Ohhhhhhh...I can see it now... 
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No, handing him the starting position is stupid when you very well may have a better QB in the house.
It's his job to lose... He threw for 29 touchdowns and led the team to 10 wins last year, I do believe Quinn may be better, but unless Anderson shows that he isn't pro-bowl material (which he was last year) there is no reason to not say he is the starter.
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