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If you don't like Brett Favre there is definitely something wrong with your head.

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Why? Because I don't share the same infatuation of him that the media does there's something wrong with me?

He's a great quarterback, and his consecutive games streak is one of the more impressive records in the NFL, but there are a few things I'm not to fond of:

1) The media worship of him. Then again, maybe it's a greater testament to his records that he was able to accomplish all that with John Madden's head up his rear, and a couple of other talking heads dangling from his ... you know what.

Before this year his stats were pretty down. Had he changed his name and jersey number, worn a wig, and played for the Browns, the fans probably would of booed him off the field. But he got a free pass because he was Brett Farve ... he's a "gunslinger".

2) He's a bit of a media whore. I'm not shocked at all that he's called a press conference to talk about his retirement a couple days after announcing it already. The was also the whole fiasco last year where he would call a press conference just to let people know he hasn't decided on retiring yet.

A couple years ago, he played a pretty heroic game where he was quite exhausted afterwards ... but during the press conference, he fell "asleep" during a question. Now it's only my opinion, but I thought it looked pretty acted when he did it.

3) He acts kind of selfishly. For two or three years now, he's kind of been playing this "I may retire, I might not" game with the Packers, who have no idea if they should be planning their offseason for a season with or without him. They also brought in Aaron Rodgers, just to give themselves some insurance, and his immediate reaction was, "I'm not going to mentor him" ... that's a nice "team" thing to say. I'm not shocked at all that the day after Moss signs with New England, he announced his retirement.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't hate him and I don't think he sucks. I'd probably have him in the top 5 all-time QB's, and I'd have him play for my team any time. I just don't think he deserves all the worship that gets bestowed on him. Like somebody said above ... you look on ESPN.com, and you'd think he just passed away.

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Overhyped: Favre didn't deliver in second half of career

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.


Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.


In his 17 seasons, Brett Favre set numerous NFL records, including most yards passing (61,655) and most touchdowns (442).



But do those numbers, combined with Favre's three MVP awards and one Super Bowl victory, put him among the top 10 quarterbacks of all time?




After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.



Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.



Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.



In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.




Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, above, was 9-1.
In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.


If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.



But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.



Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.



Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.



Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.



But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.



Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!



Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.



This is adapted from the best-selling book "The Paolantonio Report: The Most Overrated and Underrated Players, Teams, Coaches and Moments in NFL History" by Sal Paolantonio with Reuben Frank, which is available (I'm not gonna allow this post to be a shill for someone at ESPN )

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Frankly, Favre was a great QB who wasn't nearly that great as a person. Truth be told, he was an arrogant pirkc in the same mold as Marino, and got away with it, same as Marino, just because of all the records.

I think I read about jealousy or some such laughable bit when asked why someone wouldn't like Favre. I'm neither jealous of Favre, nor upset that he beat the Browns (if he ever did, which I can't remember, which shows how much it bothered me ). All I really know is that Favre was a great QB in this league who got all his super records by taking chances that other QB's either couldn't attempt or weren't able to get away with. His ironman streak is to be applauded, and his records should be recognized. However, he's given many free passes because of what he was early in his career, despite not doing any favors to fellow players (such as Jevon Walker) or to his organization (such as when he couldn't make up his mind when he was going to retire. He forced the Packers to draft Rodgers, then despite the fact it was his fault, he wouldn't help the guy during his first couple of years). So while I always knew he'd be an exciting player to watch on the field, I couldn't have cared less for his actions off of it, and am left with a feeling that I SHOULD feel more admiration for his numbers, but don't because of who and what he was, both as a player, and a person.

I've never felt as though a player should quit unless he WANTS to quit. Once you're done, you're done, and there's no coming back. I'm glad Favre didn't listen to people who called for his head a couple of years ago, but with that in mind, I'm glad he's leaving now, because this horse-and-pony act that he's been putting on for the past three seasons has grown tiring to watch. Great career Brett. Thanks for the memories. I'm glad it's over.

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Brett Favre is a top 5 QB... He's a legend IMO...

Nobody that I know of threw the ball with so much fire in the history of the NFL. You can't forget that.

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Seriously, how many people (and I proud to say I've NEVER been of of'em) bought into the hype about Trent Dilfer being a good QB because he "was a winner."

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Seriously, how many people (and I proud to say I've NEVER been of of'em) bought into the hype about Trent Dilfer being a good QB because he "was a winner."



soup

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Touche!

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Touche!

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And you call yourself an Englist teacher. That is improper use of the word touche according to the Mac commercial.