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Pit: Actually, I heard Savage in an interview on Sirius NFL Radio say it for himself right after DA signed the extension. He said that his fears were that another team would trade for DA and then use him to trade up into the high-first round and he didn't want our QB to be used like that. He didn't say which team he suspected, but it's entirely plausible that the Cowboys were the ones to do it. So I don't think Grossi is stirring the pot on this one, though he has been known to do that from time to time.

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at the beginning of my post.....I wasn't talking specifically to you.

That helps Kardiac.

However, as for the rest of the "I don't plan to trade up in the draft"?

I believe that to be posturing and GM's play a HUGE chess match this time of year.

I mean if the Phins were willing to give the Cowboys the #1 pick in the draft for DA, what's to say they won't offer us the same deal?

I'm not saying Savage would take such a deal, but I'm not discounting the possibility that he just might.

JMHO

Kardiac I heard him say the same thing on WTAM..the intitial thought from people was it was Bmore..that was posted in here a month or two ago..
He said he got wind of another team wanting to make this move with DA..
Whats even more interesting is that in a article I saw he tried to call the Fins and no one responded to his messages..

Now it's known that Dallas was in talks with Miami fits all the stuff I read about them wanting McFadden..

Just clicking.

Anyone think of who ends up with egg on their face if indeed Anderson had gone to Dallas and then the Tuna turns down the Cowboys offer?! Then Jerry Jones is stuck with his $60 Romo and how much invested in a backup QB?!

I really doubt that Jerry Jones would have so much money into 1 position. Just for a trade to get Mcfadden. And why would Mcfadden be such a coveted position to the 'Boys. It certainly is NOT their biggest area of need. This story has way too many flaws in it for me to believe there is any fact to it.

On top of that, the Phish are looking to rebuild. Why on earth would they give up picks at the top of any round to get a one year wonder QB?! Sorry, Anderson fans, but that's what he is ...... so far. I for one, believe that Winslow and Edwards (and the O-line) were the keys to his success last year. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan through and through and I hope he continues his success. And I won't be hurt if Anderson plays 16 games this up coming year, provided he's successful. Isn't that what we all hope for?!

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OK,, I gotta toot my own horn here..

About a month and a half ago, I said that a deal could happen where the Cowboys would sign Anderson, give us a 1st and 3rd, trade Anderson and thier other 1st round pick to Miami for the 1st over all pick so they could grab the top RB in the draft..

I got put on a rail and run out of town for that one...

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Daman...I would say you nailed it. You got inside info?

I will toot my horm just a little also...

...Savage did not want to lose "control" of Anderson

...Savage was concerned about the "poison pill" issue which was going to be addressed at the owners meeting but too late to protect the Browns should Anderson hit the market.

...Savage did not want to get taken.

I said that "anything" can happen referring to our QB situation and I still feel that way. As evidence, just look at what happened with Frye, one week into last season.

Could a deal happen on draft day...yep.

Does it mean that Savage intends to trade Anderson...nope.

But now Savage has control over the situation and can do what he feels is best for the Browns.

Not much happens within our organization that is not intended. Even this story coming out at this time could have a purpose behind it.

Set back and relax, knowing that Savage will do what is best for the franchise...mac

"POison pill" is a term used in business usually. If a company wants to buy your company, and it is an unwanted takeover attempt, say a competitor you hate, you write a set of terms and conditions, these being lumped as a "poison pill" that go into effect if there is a hostile transaction you can't block. The point is to make it such a horrendous set of consequences that it is horribly unattractive. Another way, you concede battle, but you assure that the winner will lose the war in the long run. We sweetened the pot to hurt the Cowkids. Like a Pyrric victory. As I understand it, the extra put it out of reach.

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Just some simple questions...................

Isn't this the very SAME Grossi who wrote that Cowher would be our coach this year?
The same Grossi that gets accused of writing articles "just to stir the pot"?
The same Grossi that so many on here say "isn't credible and is a hack"?

I guess that only applies when he writes something many disagree with, huh?

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Nope, he's pretty much always a hack.. I don't know about any of you guys, but I can't get too excited over anything any reporter says, but if they directly quote someone, then I guess I can deal with that.

Pretty much what I'm talking about here are the direct quotes attributed to Savage.

It seems your feeling better, glad to hear it Pit!

Just clicking on ya...


It didn't matter if I was pretty convinced or just slightly," Savage said Tuesday at NFL league meetings. "The threat of that being there [influenced him to raise the Browns' offer."

And it wasn't that he didn't want him to go to MIA either. No, what he didn't want was for Jones to one-up him by using his own QB to get a better deal. Which explains why he tried to call Parcells himself. If the value was there, he wanted it to come to him, not to the Pompous U know what...

It also seems that Phil might be thinking(he said as much) that Jones may be taking the Quinn thing personally..if I were him I wouldn't be concerned about it..the Browns record meant the Boys don't get a high pick...hah..so stick it to them anyway U can..
The Boys swapped draft spots with us several times last year and used those picks to move around also..I don't doubt they woulda done the same stuff this year.

I'm not saying Savage would take such a deal, but I'm not discounting the possibility that he just might.

The only problem with that scenario would be if you actually believed that Phil was so altruistic that he wanted to save DA from being "traded around" then there's no way you could believe that he'd then turn around and do the same thing himself.

Of course, since I don't think Phil is actually a saint then it would follow that I think a trade could be made on draft day.....

But I don't......DA is here for at least this year. I'd bet on that.

j/c
...so there's NO chance that PS kept DA from Dallas because he wants to deal with the Tuna himself....is there?
I mean, he DID tell his scouts to prepare as if we had a first round pick...

j/c:

--Actually Damon..........you got drilled because you said that the Browns could trade Anderson after he signed the contract. You have nothing to toot your horn about, other than feeding your own ego. *L*

--DA is going to be here this year. No way we eat the 7 million dollar signing bonus. Next year might be a different story.

--I don't know if the speculated trade would have materialized between Dallas and Miami. I do know that DA is the kind of QB that Parcells loves.

--DA is probably going to be our starter this year. RAC said that DA would really have to struggle and that BQ would have to play lights out in practice. From what I've heard, BQ has played anything but "lights out" in practices.

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--Actually Damon..........you got drilled because you said that the Browns could trade Anderson after he signed the contract. You have nothing to toot your horn about, other than feeding your own ego. *L*

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Wrong again bud... I said it long long before he signed a contract... I can't find the thread anymore, but it was sometime in February,,, early to mid I believe,, DA didn't sign his contract until March 1st give or take a day.

So, you are wrong!

LOL.............sure I am, Mr. Even Keeled.

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LOL.............sure I am, Mr. Even Keeled.

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Is that comment something that goes along with one of your grammer attacks,,, or is that something new I should be on the look out for.

First of all, it wasn't a grammar attack. You wrote that what I was said was "the dumbest thing you ever heard." You later used the word "idiotic." Then you said that it was "to stupid" to continue discussing the matter.

It was more about irony than anything else. But, I am fairly certain you won't get that either.

Why don't you two just keep trading remarks back and forth because it makes for real interesting reading for the rest of us.

Once again, stop,,

J/C

I dont think theres a chance in you know where we trade DA...none. He fits Chud's offense...possibly better than BQ.

He had the highest Y/C in the NFL. Our offense predicates throwing the ball down the field and opening up the run by backing up the safeties. I think it's a more modernized form of the Air Coryell system. (someone correct me if im wrong...not 100% sure) DA fits this style of play regardless of what it is.

I think the hope of the FO is DA improves on his weaknessess, which he is young, and quite capable of doing IMO. Thus eliminating the need to take another chance with an unknown in BQ.

BQ's contract is such that if he rides the pine he isnt a cap hit that we cant take to have a decent backup.

JMHO

Makes sense to me.

I wonder if people would freak if we traded BQ on draft day? *L*

Sure people would freak if BQ was dealt, because it would make zero sense.

The Browns don't know which QB will eventually be the QB of the team. It's DA's job to lose, but obviously the Browns aren't sold he's the guy or he would be locked up 5+ years. You don't sign a young player you think will be great to a 3 year contract. You sign a guy you hope will be good to a 3yr deal, and you give him a shot.

Phil isn't stupid, this will work out either way. If DA plays good, then we can extend his contract and look to move Quinn in 2009. If DA falls flat, we have BQ to try and DA as a solid backup.

The truth is neither guy is going to be moved this off-season because the front office is split on who "our guy" is, hence the smart thing is to bring both back and let things play out.

I know you want BQ gone Vers but it's not gonna happen in 2008, what sense would it make? If DA was a proven guy I would agree and I think Phil would too.

JMHO!

LOL Z, you don't know squat.

I don't want BQ gone. I've said from the beginning [shall I toot my own horn ] that I want both QBs here. I've said that neither has proven enough to eliminate the other.

I was just rattling some chains. People act like we may still trade DA. Hell, after the season, it was like a given w/many posters that he would be gone. The contract tempered that a bit, but still people talk about it. They do so despite the Browns having to eat 7 million dollars. To me, that is nonsense. If they were going to trade him, they would have done so before re-signing him. Why trade him and eat money?

Your humility is rivaled only by your ego....

DA isn't gonna get traded, and neither is Quinn? agreed? End of story.

Humility/ego? It was a parlay on what Damon said.

I dont know...I think trading BQ is more likely than DA at this point...JMHO

not to interject with football talk...lol

but where did you get the 7 mill cap hit from?

i thought that da's bonuses didn't come due until after the draft...at least thats what was said on here right after he signed....

now i tend to agree with you in i think both guys will be here this year and the cards will fall where they may....

but i do think savage did a smart thing....if the tuna really wants da, and if savage really thinks that bq can play he could field a trade on draft day....

now i think there is no way in hell that savage instigates any of this....but if the dallas rumors were true, then that could mean our phone is ringing on draft day....

only thing that makes me say no way it could ever happen is that we don't have a first round pick to package with da for the 1st overall anyway....so its a moot point....


guess its hard to step back from all the improving we have been doing and say slow down....evaluate...then work with a full draft next year...but its the most likely thing to happen, because if we choose the wrong qb it would hurt us big time...

Since this is starting to turn into another QB debate, I figured I might as well put this here....

Experts, coaches don't see a QB controversy
Thursday, April 03, 2008
Tony GrossiPlain Dealer Reporter

Palm Beach, Fla. -- In Cleveland, the debate between Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn no doubt will burn hot for another year at least.

But coaches and personnel experts interviewed this week at NFL league meetings were unanimous in saying the Browns have done the right thing with their quarterbacks.

"Obviously, the bold move they made a year ago paid off for them," Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis said.

"I'm talking about putting Anderson in and trading Charlie [Frye] and moving on. I think with the other 52 guys -- or 51, because I don't know that Brady's fine with it -- they know who their quarterback is. That's a huge step for a football team. You have to make that step to win."

Nobody here expressed the opinion that signing Anderson to a three-year deal after trading a No. 1 to select Quinn the year before automatically creates a quarterback controversy.

"The controversy would come if they didn't keep Derek," said Pat Kirwan, a former Jets assistant coach and front office employee now with NFL.com.

"Those receivers were going to go crazy. [Kellen] Winslow and [Braylon] Edwards, they're making the Pro Bowl right now with Derek Anderson delivering the mail. They don't want to go backwards. They know that guy gets the ball to them, and they have an open attack. Why would they take a risk to switch out?"

Not even Phil Savage can say, however, how long Anderson's reign as the starting quarterback will continue.

"Derek, he's a little bit more of an unknown," the Browns' general manager said. "He just kind of came from the hinterlands and all of a sudden ends up in Hawaii [in the Pro Bowl]. Now we'll see if he can build off that. It was worth the investment for us to see if he can go further with what he did last year."

And if he doesn't?

"That contract does not lock Derek down," Kirwan said. "Here's what Phil said to me a hundred times: 'I made sure that we are good for 2008. Then we'll figure it out.' And I don't think that means you trade Brady Quinn if he's great. If [Anderson's] great, you're going to play out the three-year deal. If he's not great, they move Derek and give the kid a chance.

"If he has three games at the beginning like the Cincinnati game [in December] . . ."

So far, Quinn is the victim of bad timing.

He slipped down the draft board a year ago because Miami passed on him at No. 9, and then came a long run of teams uninterested in drafting a quarterback first. He had a contract dispute in training camp, partly as a result of the Browns wanting to sort out the Frye vs. Anderson debacle. Then Anderson buried him on the bench with a totally unanticipated breakout year.

If Quinn were coming out of Notre Dame this year, experts here said, he would be considered with Boston College's Matt Ryan as the draft's top quarterback.

"That would be a tough debate," Minnesota coach Brad Childress said. "Apples and oranges. Either one could be the top one taken."

"I think they're real close," Kirwan said. "I think this year, unlike last year, more teams need a quarterback in the top 10. I don't think either one would go to Atlanta at No. 3. The first interest might be Kansas City at 5. And then the one not taken would probably go to Baltimore at No. 8."

This year's No. 8 overall pick will exceed the $15.4 million in guaranteed money given the 2007 selection, Jamaal Anderson of Atlanta. Quinn got about $7.8 million in guarantees. So, factors totally out of Quinn's hands have been costly to him.

But Savage and coach Romeo Crennel insist Quinn can and will handle the situation.

"His state of mind is that he's got good enough ability to be the starting quarterback for the Browns and that's what he's going to try to be," Crennel said. "He understands there's a competition and there's a guy ahead of him, but that doesn't diminish his confidence in himself or diminish his ability at all."

Gruden never met a quarterback he didn't like, but he seems particularly impressed with Quinn.

"It seems like a heckuva trade to me, to get him 22nd [last year]," he said. "Who knows what'll happen? Derek's a heckuva story. Whether it works in Brady's favor in Cleveland or not, they have two really good young quarterbacks and that's a lot more than some of us can say.

"That's an exciting team, man, to have those two guys. This is a quarterback-driven league."

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

tgrossi@plaind.com, 216-999-4670

grossi

I found it interesting what Kirwan said about Kellen and Braylon freaking out if DA was traded. Sounds like pure speculation on his part. I hope he knows what he's talking about. Anyway, I thought this fit right in with where the conversation was going.... again.

I have to say that I've shown some concern about a controversy but I can only see it happening if DA continues to have another up and down season. And then, like you Vers, I am a bit concerned about the fans' response if DA starts to falter. I can't say that I believe it will affect RAC or Phil's decision as to who plays, but it has got to affect the players. It made me sick to hear of fans Booing DA and cheering for Quinn in that 49er game. As much as I wanna see the kid play, you must support the guy under center, whoever that may be. I'll admit, I would curse DA up and down at times from my living room, especially during that last Cincy game. But I would never Boo him and throw him under the bus like I feel some fans have done and may do. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. But hopefully, we can avoid a controversy at all costs. We fans need to chill out and let the chips fall where they may, myself included. I think we're so used to getting burned that we can't accept that we actually have competent people in control of the situation. So let's be fans and let them make the tough decisions.

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Yeah we do...training camp!

Just an FYI for anyone in Northeast Ohio with Time Warner....Phil is going to be on More Sports & Les Levine tonight. Les will probably touch base on this topic before he takes calls.

When Policy was running the show, the Browns FO would have nothing to do with Les. so it's nice to see Phil making an appearance. I've been on his show, and Les is super nice and easygoing, so I never understood the distance the organization would keep from him. Anyway, I digress.