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To me it is like going to the grocery store and the person in front of you wants to pay the $50 tab by counting out pennies and nickels.
Make's sense  I see what you are saying, I guess im taking out on all of you, for how I was terated. 
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I used to golf a lot with my grandfather before he started having health problems. The one time we decided to take my brother, who had bought clubs recently off of someone (mind you, he only golfed a couple times in his life).
Well, he was hitting all over the place. One of the rangers on the course must have noticed as he went by, because he followed my brother with every shot for 3 holes on his golf cart. To say my brother was pissed would be an understatement. At one point, I thought my brother was going to fire the ball at him. If you want to say something, just say it. I'd be irritated as well if someone followed me around on a golf cart for several holes.
I don't enjoy following a slow group, either, but people have to learn the game somewhere. Going to the range only does so much.
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First of all, I always let people play through. It doesn't bother me at all. The fact that monster truck show looking people run through the course and drive golf balls right at me, is not cool.... that would shake anyone up. I did nothing to warrant they way people were treating us.
And I don't drive very far. And I don't care. Like you said, it is supposed to be fun. Unlike posting on this board some days.
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There are learner courses...if you are holding up the process,
And this is where I was. Believe it or not, I wasn't the worst on there.
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Maybe you are right/ But do people have to be so rude?
If you allowed 20 minutes to drive somewhere.. and the route was a non-passing single lane road and there was a 90 year old woman in front of you going 20 mph and the trip was going to take you 45 minutes because of her, would you be chipper and nice?
I agree with pretty much everything Peen has said... first, get to the range until you are at least competent.. second, play in the evenings or while everybody else is at work to start off with.. third, once you've hit it 8 times, pick it up and move on.. fourth, don't study your club selection from 150 yards, and toss grass to measure the wind, if you're shooting 120, it ain't going to matter... fifth, don't plumb-bob, you don't know what you're looking at anyway...
Look, I've played with guys who broke 80 and were annoyingly slow and I've played with guys who shot 100 and were quick and enjoyable to play golf with... a lot of it is the tempo of the player as well... but if you go to the course on the first beautiful weekend of the spring and shoot 140+, expect people to be rude...
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You are soo! rude! 
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believe it or not shotty its true. It is also the reason why I dont golf...... people get uppity and dont want to wait.... Personally I think its rude not to let someone learn the game.......I tried a dozen or so times when I was younger with a friend who played on his high school team (he was good, I wasnt) and it was just unreal how these old farts would get an attitude. Some of these golfers feel entitled to more even know I paid the same green fee's they did....
but Ive also found the people that like golfing sooooo much they want to play through and be rude and not let a person learn... are also the kind of people I dont like on a personal level outside of the golfing environment... (rude, uppity, close minded, and silverspoon lickers) so now I just dont play...
no loss, it just shocked me that most people in a certain sport can be so rude to first timers.....
and Peen (this from a terrible golfer) the Range only helps you so much, you cant learn how to play a hole or lay up, or any of the complicated things experianced golfers like yourself do..I also dont think you shoyuld have to play around anyone elses schedule because you want to learn and they are impatien..thats why it irks me so much when these people on the course act like that..........at one time they were just as bad as me
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Thankyou...And im sure ONB does also...I have been a dart thrower for years, won many turney,s ect. ect., But I am more to give a youngone advise than to put them down! For taking to long, not adding fast enough, or wondering what to throw next. But I learned from old time darter's that you need to be respectful for the game.
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I understand what DC and Peen are saying to a certain extent. If you are really slow dont try to go out and play Augusta. I think a lot of it is also not so much if you are a bad player or not but your pace and observance of ettiquette. I take my 8 year old son out to little 9 hole Jr courses and we still step aside and let people play through. Right now he is playing 30 yards at a time so I wouldnt even take him to a 18 hole course and expect people to wait behind us. That does not excuse people being jerks on the course because they think they are high and mighty because they are better golfers and I have taken guys balls that landed two feet behind me and driven them 200 yards into the woods. Last time I did it it wasnt even my group that was holding up play, actually it was nobodys fault, it was just a really busy Sunday afternoon on the public course the majority of us have to play. We were held up halfway down the fairwaywhile the group in front of us were finishing putting. We were playing ready golf and going as quick as possible. The jerk on the tee stood their and yelled something at us and put his arms up like "WTH" so I turned and looked back at him and held my arms up like "wth do you want me to do" so after we turned and looked the other way he decided to go ahead and tee off and hit a shot that stopped two feet from my heel. Never yelled "fore" or anything. So I walked up to his ball and drilled into the woods with my 3i hybrid. Best shot I hit all day!!  Guy never said another word, went to his bag got another ball and put it on the tee. He waited all the way till we were finishing up putting before he teed off again. I always ondered though if he took a penalty stroke KING
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but Ive also found the people that like golfing sooooo much they want to play through and be rude and not let a person learn...
I agree with a lot of what you said Rabid but honestly if you know you are really going slow you should let them play through without them having to ask you.
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If you can hit the ball descently you can play at a good pace. A driving range will get you to that point. No one is saying that you need to play in 3 hours; but I played 2 6 hour rounds last season and that is just insane. You don not have to be good to play fast. As Peen said, there are pleanty of good golfers who play waaayyyy to slow as well. I walked off 2 courses last year and asked for a refund; 6 hour rounds are just crazy. I was taught to play "ready golf". Hit when you are ready, go to your ball right away, don't bicker over who is "away" on the greens, don't line putts up like it's to win the Masters, don't look for a lost ball for 10 minutes, etc. Basically common sense IMO. As I stated above, my mom shoots in the high 50's to low 60's and she keeps up with my dad and me just fine - we can easily play 18 in 4 hours. There were some great analogies above - the slow driver, paying with pennies (ala Seinfeld  ), etc. As also stated there are beginner courses, like par 3's. I've taken my 5 year old to the local one and fully expect a LOOOONNNG round when I do that. When I shell out $100 to play Longaberger and it takes 6 hours, that's when I get ticked.
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When people start hitting into others that is just wrong. I don't care how slow things are. It certainly isn't going to solve any problems. Sheesh. I do the same thing as you do, or if the fairway is wet, drive the cart over the ball and plug it nice and deep into the ground 
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drive the cart over the ball and plug it nice and deep into the ground
I will have to remember that one, thanks 
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I agree with you Peen. Golf isn't always just about you and your score. It's also about proper etiquette. If the course is kicking your tail that day, pick your ball up, give yourself double-par with an asterisk and move to the next hole. Well, I would only do that if there are other golfers behind me playing up our backs. Heck, if you stink, your score doesn’t matter. It’s about learning.
And I’m one of those stinky golfers. If I sense “its one of those holes” I just play alongside with my friends, like a best ball format.
Also, think about playing faster for the people in your group too. They’ll appreciate the effort.
So where can you just play all your strokes without being too slow? The driving range. Other than that, start with the junkier courses and play up as you improve. If you play a nicer course, being very aware of your pace and how its affecting people around you.
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Heh... heh... hitting his ball into the woods was being nice. I really only see this kind of behavior on public courses. Once I had a group behind mine that was particularly obnoxious. They hit into our group once (all four of them). Now we're all former high school golfers and, at the time, most of us were single to low double digit handicappers. We all looked back at them and held our arms up to to indicate we were waiting for the green to clear. No response. The very next hole, they do the same thing! That was it. We each took one of their balls, teed them up and hit them right back at them (making sure, of course, we didn't come all that close to hitting them while getting the balls close enough for them to know their golf balls were being "returned to senders." They never did it again and they noticeably avoided us at the end of the round.
In all seriousness, I would say, unfortunately, a majority of the public courses in this country are poorly run. All but the higher end public courses schedule tee times FAR too close together and then they have the audacity to get bent out of shape after a few lost balls hose up the course for hours. It is unfortunate, but it is a fact of life for those of us who can't afford memberships to private clubs or the higher greens fees of the better public courses (where they generally KNOW how to run a golf course).
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Havn't got to go out yet this year but I just went and hit a bucket of balls at the driving range and I would have to say it was a great day for the first time picking up a club this year. I'm really excited to get out i'm going through withdrawls. 
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Yeah Peen, I'll get back out there and I know I won't be as good as I was. I even can almost admit I won't hit it as far. [aarghhh!!]
Yes, I have played w/those old guys who hit it short, but right down the middle and then they are deadly on the green. I loved playing w/those guys. Good golf. Great conversation.
I always practiced w/my PW, SW, and Lob Wedge a lot. Those are the clubs that I used the most on the range. They are the "money" clubs. That, and the putter. The toughest shots are the ones you can't take a full swing on and that is why I went to the SW and Lob wedge. The lob wedge is a great club, but it is very tricky to use. It's real easy to hit the ball fat w/it.
I was pretty deadly w/my PW. Anywhere from 100 to 112 yds. or so. I used to love being at the range and have a real nice tight pattern close to the hole. Hell, some of my buddies and I would bet $5 a ball on the range. It made it a lot more fun.
For those of you who are learning the game. Peen and Columbus were right about going to the range. You can gain your confidence there. Start w/your shortest clubs first. Start w/your pitching wedge, move to the 9 iron, then the 8, etc. Don't hit your driver until the end. Too many people only want to practice w/the Driver. Bad move. I always hit my driver at the end, but then I hit a few more wedges right at the end of my session on the range. If you are not a long hitter, end w/about 8 to 10 shots w/the club that you seem to use the most when trying to reach the green.
After the range work is done......head to putting green and putt three balls at the various holes on the putting green. Don't follow one ball around. Also, don't hit too many balls at each hole. Two to three is fine. You get a feel for the required touch and a feel for reading breaks that way.
A couple of psychological tactics. Golf is unlike other sports. Keep your emotions in check. Patience is huge in golf. Don't be afraid to use an extra club and never worry about the guys who hit a PW 160 yds. They aren't made to fly that far. Those guys hit them too low. Use the club that you KNOW you can get to the green. Being on the green is much more important than showing off by using a club that you will rarely hit that far. I see guys do that all the time, and then they complain that they mis-hit it. *L* One more thing. Visualize each shot. Find your sight line and picture the ball hitting the target that you want. Concentration is paramount. So is confidence in your ability to make the shot. And that is why practice on the range is so vitally important.
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It is also the reason why I dont golf...... people get uppity and dont want to wait.... Personally I think its rude not to let someone learn the game..
It isn't like that at all....golf is the only sport where others golfers offer up tips even when you don't want them.
Look...the course isn't the place where you learn to hit the ball. You do that at the range.
My dad never took me to a course until I showed I could hit the ball 150 or so yards in the air on a regular basis, and even then it was off hours. 9am to 3pm is for decent golfers, not beginners trying to get their first ball airborne.
As DC said...decent doesn't mean you have to break 90....but you have to be able to move forward with the group in front of you...and that assumes they can move with the group in front of them.
7am is when the old guys and ladies tee off...by the time that 9 am lowball starts, you need to be able to move with the pack through about 3 pm....then the duffers take over again so they can find their game.
Nobody has a problem with that. If I go out after 3 to a public course, I expect to see a bunch of kids, guys with their girlfriends, and a few others working on the game..no problem...I may even ask to join them to teach them a little something if they want.
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but you have to be able to move forward with the group in front of you...
I believe this is the key to the whole thing. If the golf course is somewhat crowded (meaning every tee time is filled), and there is more than half a hole open in front of you, then YOU ARE PLAYING TOO SLOW. I can honestly tell you that I have never gotten mad at somebody who I could tell was waiting on the group in front of them...
My guess is that everybody who thinks this is so rude, has other areas of their life, with something they are good at, where they would feel the same way.
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Hey Vers.....if you want to get better with those half shots, a good practice round on a slow day is to go out with only odd or even clubs all the way through the bag up to the putter...take your pick....lots of times I can do this late in the day and play 2-3 balls a hole once I get to the half shot club.
Seeing as you can hit something only so far, you have to work on a bunch of knock down shots.
To add a edit...don't take any woods on that practice round....just play with odd or even irons.....makes you learn to use a 1 or 2 iron.
Those clubs get a bunch of run if you hit them right....no reason why you can't be 220-230 yards away from where you started.
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Putting and chipping is by far the most important. When I played golf in high school my nickname was "the scrambler", as I would hack my way near the green, chip on and one putt almost every time. I averaged 41.6 for 9 hole tournaments my senior year. The funny thing is, I now hit the ball WAY better from tee to green (the general vicinity that is  ), but still score the same as I did in high school. The difference? I hung out at my local course all summer from dawn till dusk and practiced putting and chipping a majority of the time. I've started practicing the chipping/putting more now. Putting especially - if you can consistently hit 4 footers it will almost certainly knock a couple of strokes off of your game depending upon where you are at. Get more consisten with 6 footers and watch your score drop more.
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My guess is that everybody who thinks this is so rude, has other areas of their life, with something they are good at, where they would feel the same way.
You may be right about some people, but for me, and im not bragging but, I have made it to many national turney's in dart's, and have thrown against some of the best in the world, and have never come up against the like's of people on the link's. Sorry but if someone is trying to figure out what to throw at next...I dont stand there and tell them to hurry th F>>> ! up I tell them to take their time and throw what I would, not to get the hell out of my way because I am better!
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... I can honestly tell you that I have never gotten mad at somebody who I could tell was waiting on the group in front of them...
Of course not. Why would you?
I'm not a slow player at all - I do take my time over the ball because I don't like to be rushed, but after a shot, but I move quickly to the next one and pretty much know what club I'll need when I get there.
Another tip: take every club out of your bag that has a number higher than a five (like 1W, 3W, 1-4 irons) and go play a round. A lot of mid-high handicappers would score better if they did.
I'd almost guarentee it. Unless they putt like OnB.
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Peen, when I was a kid, my dad played every Wednesday evening with his buddies. My brother and I would play behind them on purpose just so we could get used to playing slow. (Not that they were slow, but there was 4 of them shooting in the 90s and we were a 2-some shooting in the high 70s so we had to wait on pretty much every shot) Some of the people who don't play much don't understand how it can screw up your game to stand and wait eternally between shots.. but we purposely practiced that when we were kids... of course that was long ago, when woods were... well, wood.
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You may be right about some people, but for me, and im not bragging but, I have made it to many national turney's in dart's, and have thrown against some of the best in the world, and have never come up against the like's of people on the link's.
It's because you get 3 shots at a time. You don't care if they hit someone else's board. If you had to wait for them to throw a trips 20 and it took them 60 tosse and 90 minutes, you would get aggravated....especially if you had to stand in the sun and watch every throw.
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Peen, when I was a kid, my dad played every Wednesday evening with his buddies. My brother and I would play behind them on purpose just so we could get used to playing slow. (Not that they were slow, but there was 4 of them shooting in the 90s and we were a 2-some shooting in the high 70s so we had to wait on pretty much every shot) Some of the people who don't play much don't understand how it can screw up your game to stand and wait eternally between shots.. but we purposely practiced that when we were kids... of course that was long ago, when woods were... well, wood.
That is good practice...and I can slow my pace from the norm...to a limit.....like I said before, when the only person swinging the club on a regular basis is the person holding up the course, they need to move out of the way until they get a bit better.
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Peen...I guess what im getting at is , Is everyone who play's golf that rude? Maybe I shouldent even be talking  I think im just getting at people in general not just the golf course. Just going on what ive seen my self....Not trying to start sh-t 
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j/c Haven't played yet this year.  I think we've had one decent weekend so far. I'll be putting drilled and slotted rotors in the vette and painting the calipers this weekend. I don't practice anymore...got one of those long putters and don't look at the ball when I putt anymore (look at the target)...I'll probably be in the mid to low 90's when I start up...and without practicing will probably end up shooting from the mid 80's to mid 90's during the season - had a putt to par the back nine last year....ran it by...finished 2 over.
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Is everyone who play's golf that rude?
No....but I suppose it depends on the people who play at the club.
But all semi decent golfers are going to get hot under the collar watching someone insist on playing out to entirety a round of 140.
Sorry, that is just the way it is.
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[Nobody has a problem with that. If I go out after 3 to a public course, I expect to see a bunch of kids, guys with their girlfriends, and a few others working on the game..no problem...I may even ask to join them to teach them a little something if they want.
I have a problem with that. Assuming it is a public course, somebody should not have to play around a certain time because between 9 and 3 the " good golfers" want to play. They have just as much right to the course during that time as anybody. If the rude people dont like it they can join a club so they can all be rude to each other their.
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If you're not a decent golfer, you've really got to be mindful of the players on the course. It's part of golf etiquette. On the better / more difficult courses you'll usually find the better golfers. On many of those courses there has to be a certain pace maintained...some have clocks that tell you weather or not you're on pace. If you're a beginner than you'll never be able to keep up. Go to the 9 hole courses.
I've heard that there are some countries where unless you've attained a certain handicap you aren't even allowed on the course. (don't quote me on that)
It seems prejudicial.....but actually it's in the best intrest of the golfers.
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I fully understand that feeling, but that isn't the way it works.
It took most of us a time or two of getting sneered at to figure it out.
I am just trying to make life easier for you.
Not everybody can afford a private course. A little courtesy and etiquette goes a long way in life. Most....the vast majority...don't get upset to wait some....it is when the wait gets excessive they get irritated because it appears the other person doesn't give a damn about their enjoyment. Kind of like the simpleton who doesn't move their grocery cart from the middle of the aisle allowing you to pass because they can't decide which Hamburger Helper they want this week.
If you have people playing through you all ticked off, it is a good indication you had no concern for them until well past the appropriate point.
And like I said...the back-up started before they saw you on the tee or green. It started 3-4-5 holes back. By the time they saw you on the 6th hole, they have been backed up from the 1st fairway.
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I've heard that there are some countries where unless you've attained a certain handicap you aren't even allowed on the course. (don't quote me on that)
Lot's of places are like that. At my club you had to play 2 rounds with 2 different groups of members along with the normal acceptance process.
If you bring a guest, you are vouching they can play and keep up. They don't have to score great, but they have to move along or you will be told not to bring them back if not asked to leave after 9 holes..
And that is something you really don't want to happen.
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I fully understand that feeling, but that isn't the way it works.
It took most of us a time or two of getting sneered at to figure it out.
I am just trying to make life easier for you.
Not everybody can afford a private course. A little courtesy and etiquette goes a long way in life. And like I said...the back-up started before they saw you on the tee or green. It started 3-4-5 holes back. By the time they saw you on the 6th hole, they have been backed up from the 1st fairway.
I never said to back the course up and make people wait. I am not the greatest golfer but even in a foursome we move along pretty well and most times end up waiting ourselves. My point earlier about someone driving up our back was not because we were going slow, it was just a very busy Sunday afternoon on a public course, but the idiot behind us thought he was special and shouldnt have to wait, just like everyone else on the course had to wait. We have moved aside and let faster groups play through. Especially if it is a smaller group than ours that is riding while we are walking.You are right though, a little courtesy goes a long way, but that is from both sides. Not just the poor slob of a hacker who cant afford to be in a private club.
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Just for the record.....people who aren't members of private clubs aren't necessarily poor or slobs.
Just wanted to clear that up if that is what you or anyone else may interpret that as what I was saying.
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Just for the record.....people who aren't members of private clubs aren't necessarily poor or slobs.
Just wanted to clear that up if that is what you or anyone else may interpret that as what I was saying.
No I didnt feel you were saying that at all. I am just saying those of us who cant afford a private club or even to pay the real high fees at the semi private courses have to put up with the crowds and the waits at the local public courses. Hell I play the Metroparks courses and I try to do the real early mornings or even weekday mornings to avoid the crowds and long waits. If I was paying good money to play a private course I would expect more too.
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