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The experience on the Celtics is exactly why are better. Posey has been to and won in the finals - and was a key to the Heat when they won it. Cassell has been and won in the finals - granted it was a long time ago, but he also went with the T'Wolves. KG has been in the playoffs. Ray and Pierce have been in the playoffs. Not too many players on the Celtics roster hasn't been to the playoffs. They understand playoff basketball. The Cavs had an easy road to the finals last year so I think the playoff experience is a push between these 2 teams.
I see your point on Boston not needing their bench because there starters score more, but that is both good and bad. Boston can win without its bench, but in the playoffs a bench is less important. Yes you still need it and it's necessary to win in the playoffs the bench's biggest role is to keep the main guys "fresh" during the regular season. Besides, the Celtics score on average 10 more points than the Cavs, and the Cavs bench outscores the Celtics, but so far in the playoffs - the Cavs bench outscores the Celtics by a very small margain but the Celtics bench scores in a much shorter time.
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The experience on the Celtics is exactly why are better. ............. so I think the playoff experience is a push between these 2 teams.
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Woof, when i was saying that our guys have their role....they dont take away from the other parts of the game, theyre just specialists in those positions.
all except Eddie House, he makes us worse on defense. but, In comparing It's that our bench players can play on near the same level as the starters but do their one thing better.
The Cavs bench...i think the guys come in, and it takes away from them in certain parts. Varejao and Pavlovic take away from the offense. Boobie and Joe Smith dont though.
I guess I'm looking most at the top two spots of the bench and id take Posey and Powe over Boobie and Varejao. Maybe thats me being a homer, but I would.
and playoff experience snt a good gauge because 3 Boston bench players own rings...no Cavs player does.
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Woof, when i was saying that our guys have their role....they dont take away from the other parts of the game, theyre just specialists in those positions.
all except Eddie House, he makes us worse on defense. but, In comparing It's that our bench players can play on near the same level as the starters but do their one thing better.
The Cavs bench...i think the guys come in, and it takes away from them in certain parts. Varejao and Pavlovic take away from the offense. Boobie and Joe Smith dont though.
There ain't a team in the league whose team does not lose anything when their bench is on the floor. There is a reason these guys are not starting and playing short stints. To say the Celtics bench players "can play on or near the same level as the starters but do their one thing better" is just plain unintelligent if you consider yourself someone who really knows anything about the league.
Come on man, I am sure you didnt mean it that way. 
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but, In comparing It's that our bench players can play on near the same level as the starters but do their one thing better.
Who on the bench is near the same level as KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce? If any of them were anywhere near that good, they'd be starting somewhere else....
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Well, after going through that, we might as well not even play. Only LeBron and Z are better than any other member of the Celtics.  
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Well, after going through that, we might as well not even play. Only LeBron and Z are better than any other member of the Celtics.
Well at least we know what the "Homer Margin of Error" is... since 4.9% voted that Boston has the edge in the LeBron vs PP match-up and only 1.6% voted that the Cavs have the advantage in the Ben Wallace vs KG match-up... so everything is off by at least 3%... 
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The experience on the Celtics is exactly why are better. Posey has been to and won in the finals - and was a key to the Heat when they won it. Cassell has been and won in the finals - granted it was a long time ago, but he also went with the T'Wolves. KG has been in the playoffs. Ray and Pierce have been in the playoffs. Not too many players on the Celtics roster hasn't been to the playoffs. They understand playoff basketball.
That's true, but the Cavs actually did it together last year and the year before, that is the point. And it will remain the point until Boston loses a tough series this year and comes back ready next year to contend.
Fact is while the Cavs were in the playoffs the last 2 years playing (and wining) meaningful games learning the ropes together, Doc was calling their games, KG was getting bounced around in Minni, Ray was in Seattle gunning 3's on a losing team, Pierce was playing infront of 8,000 Celtic fans with bags on their heads, Sam was ending his prime on the Clippers, Rondo was bricking jumpers at Ky, and who knows where Perkins was..
They are a new team..
It always takes a team a year in the playoffs together to learn the ropes, then next year they come back ready.. Just like the Cavs did last year..
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Boston can win without its bench, but in the playoffs a bench is less important.
This about sums up your knowledge of the NBA.
Once again, you dont understand the difference between regular season and playoff basketball..
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Well, after going through that, we might as well not even play. Only LeBron and Z are better than any other member of the Celtics.
Well at least we know what the "Homer Margin of Error" is... since 4.9% voted that Boston has the edge in the LeBron vs PP match-up and only 1.6% voted that the Cavs have the advantage in the Ben Wallace vs KG match-up... so everything is off by at least 3%...
I spit out my water when I looked at those stats and saw that 13% of voters said Boston had the advantage or that it was a toss-up when comparing LBJ and Paul Pierce. 
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but, In comparing It's that our bench players can play on near the same level as the starters but do their one thing better.
That statement is just flat out ridiculous.
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The experience on the Celtics is exactly why are better. Posey has been to and won in the finals - and was a key to the Heat when they won it. Cassell has been and won in the finals - granted it was a long time ago, but he also went with the T'Wolves. KG has been in the playoffs. Ray and Pierce have been in the playoffs. Not too many players on the Celtics roster hasn't been to the playoffs. They understand playoff basketball.
That's true, but the Cavs actually did it together last year and the year before, that is the point. And it will remain the point until Boston loses a tough series this year and comes back ready next year to contend.
Fact is while the Cavs were in the playoffs the last 2 years playing (and wining) meaningful games learning the ropes together, Doc was calling their games, KG was getting bounced around in Minni, Ray was in Seattle gunning 3's on a losing team, Pierce was playing infront of 8,000 Celtic fans with bags on their heads, Sam was ending his prime on the Clippers, Rondo was bricking jumpers at Ky, and who knows where Perkins was..
They are a new team..
It always takes a team a year in the playoffs together to learn the ropes, then next year they come back ready.. Just like the Cavs did last year..
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This about sums up your knowledge of the NBA.
Once again, you dont understand the difference between regular season and playoff basketball..
I said the bench was still needed to win games, but the benches largest role throughout the year is to help keep the main guys fresh in the regular season. Benches do not win playoff series. They can win games, not series. The main players on a team win the series for a team - NOT the bench. For any team to win - be it playoffs or regular season - it needs 3 players to step up most times. the Lakers of early 2000s had Kobe & Shaq, but they had players step up in games like Horry and Fisher to put them over the top. The Cavs last year had Boobie step up with LeBron and Hughes or Illgauskus to get them to the finals. The Celtics have their 3. Even the Celtics of the 80's didn't have a good bench, yet they won 3 championships. The bench doesn't win playoff series or championships. It's just not the case.
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The experience on the Celtics is exactly why are better. ............. so I think the playoff experience is a push between these 2 teams.
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LOL, sorry I made that confusing. I was responding to a claim that Cleveland had more playoff experience. I think the playoff experience is a push, but the talent on Boston makes them over the top. With Bostons talent + playoff experience > Clevelands talent + playoff experience, is what I meant to say.
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For the record, I do not think this is going to be a Celtic sweep of the Cavs because I think the Cavs will take Boston to 7. The Celtics play much better at home and that will be huge. I don't see Cleveland stealing one in Boston, but I could see Boston stealing one in Cleveland. I think this series goes no shorter than 6 games, but I think Boston wins it.
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Atz, as a Cavs fan I disagree with some of what you have said in the details but for me it boils down to this... The Celtics have more starting talent, LeBron is going to need consistent scoring help (whether it comes from Booby or Wally or Delonte doesn't really matter), if he gets it, the Cavs can take this series deep and could win it. If they win it, it will be an upset, just not as big of an upset as some people seem to think.
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I just know one thing...
If Boston tries to win the game on defense, you are playing right into the Cavs hands.
Boston has a good defense, Cleveland has an amazing defense, as you can see so far in the postseason. The Cavs are built for the Postseason...but I am not so sure that the Celtics are.
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I agree with that. You know LeBron will put around 30 ppg this series - like he always does against Boston. Z will probably put up 15 ppg this series. The Cavs bench will probably put up 25 ppg. That = 70 points. That means that a player or 2 - Wally, Boobie, or whoever - will have to make up the extra 20 - 30 points in order to have a chance.
The Cavs could win this series, but they will have to do it in 6 games. I don't think either team wins it in 4 or 5, and if it goes 7 - I think Boston wins.
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I don't see Cleveland stealing one in Boston, but I could see Boston stealing one in Cleveland.
based on what?
boston couldn't even get one in atlanta...
while the cavs have 2 impressive road victories... one in complete and total domination, and one where they executed a shot to win with less than 5 seconds...
the cavs have a better chance of winning in boston then the celtics do in cleveland...
i think either team can win on the road, but to say that you don't see cleveland winning in boston, but boston winning in cleveland is pretty laughable...
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There are very few sweeps from now on in the playoffs... The Cavs are better than last year... More tools in the box for LJ... He is one of the top 3 players in the league, if not the best player and will be for some time to come... With LJ on any roster it's difficult to say definitively that they can't win... We shall see.  I'm a Celtic fan and always have been... Since the 60's... It's hard to argue or stake a case against one of the most successful NBA franchises, (the Celtics) of all time... Many have tried and failed... Those who try here again will have the same outcome... The Celtics are better to a man on the court and in the front office with the exception of LJ... The Celtics are better defensively more talented, deeper and are better coached. I see the Celtics in 6; however the series going 7 won't surprise me. The Cavs support players can not have any bad games in the series and expect to win the series... It should be a great series!  IMO, the Celtics will advance to the eastern conference championship.
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I think I would still take Cassell. Cassell is a better PG, and when it comes down to a last 2nd shot, Cassell is still as good as anyone.
Plus, Rondo + Cassell > West + Gibson
I could be wrong about Brown and Smith, but Smith in no way is that much better than Brown, or Powe.
Varejao is a nobody IMO. I'd much rather have Powe than Varejao, but that's JMO.
Posey IMO is also much better than Pavlovic or Devin Brown. I would never want either of those 2 over Posey.
As I see it: Cassell would start on the Cavs and maybe Posey, but nobody on the Cavs bench would start on the Celtics.
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The experience on the Celtics is exactly why are better. Posey has been to and won in the finals - and was a key to the Heat when they won it. Cassell has been and won in the finals - granted it was a long time ago, but he also went with the T'Wolves. KG has been in the playoffs. Ray and Pierce have been in the playoffs. Not too many players on the Celtics roster hasn't been to the playoffs. They understand playoff basketball.
That's true, but the Cavs actually did it together last year and the year before, that is the point. And it will remain the point until Boston loses a tough series this year and comes back ready next year to contend.
Fact is while the Cavs were in the playoffs the last 2 years playing (and wining) meaningful games learning the ropes together, Doc was calling their games, KG was getting bounced around in Minni, Ray was in Seattle gunning 3's on a losing team, Pierce was playing infront of 8,000 Celtic fans with bags on their heads, Sam was ending his prime on the Clippers, Rondo was bricking jumpers at Ky, and who knows where Perkins was..
They are a new team..
It always takes a team a year in the playoffs together to learn the ropes, then next year they come back ready.. Just like the Cavs did last year..
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This about sums up your knowledge of the NBA.
Once again, you dont understand the difference between regular season and playoff basketball..
I said the bench was still needed to win games, but the benches largest role throughout the year is to help keep the main guys fresh in the regular season. Benches do not win playoff series. They can win games, not series. The main players on a team win the series for a team - NOT the bench. For any team to win - be it playoffs or regular season - it needs 3 players to step up most times. the Lakers of early 2000s had Kobe & Shaq, but they had players step up in games like Horry and Fisher to put them over the top. The Cavs last year had Boobie step up with LeBron and Hughes or Illgauskus to get them to the finals. The Celtics have their 3. Even the Celtics of the 80's didn't have a good bench, yet they won 3 championships. The bench doesn't win playoff series or championships. It's just not the case.
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Well, Atlanta was fully healthy, had a playoff team for the first time since '99 and don't play a half court offense. Boston struggles against teams that run the floor. Cleveland plays more of a half court offense than Atlanta. That Atlanta matchup wasn't a good matchup for Boston. Not only that, Boston destroyed Atlanta in every home game, but never got blown out when they played in Boston. Washington wasn't fully healthy, and with Atlanta's addition of Bibby, Atlanta was a more talented team.
IMO, it's more likely Boston wins one in Cleveland, than Cleveland winning one in Boston. Can either team win a road game? Of course, but its more likely Boston wins one in Cleveland rather than the other way around.
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You honestly think Doc Rivers is a good coach? Good motivator, yes, good coach, ah hell no.
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I don't think I ever said they were in the Finals. I said they had been to the playoffs - with KG and Cassell - and Cassell has been to the finals - with Houston early in his career. If I did, it was a typo or me typing slower than my brain was thinking.
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Ok, i wrote that the wrong way. What i meant to hint at, is that I think Boston's bench is closer to starting talent than Clevelands. I think that there are more players that could start that play on Boston's bench, than could Clevelands.
But again...I think this series wont go like Cleveland/Washington. Washington was toooooooo focused on LeBron, and it hurt them. Boston will just play their game. They know LeBron will get his, and they'll be ok with that. But the rest of the players cant beat us. LeBron can score 35-45, but, the rest of the team wont do enough to beat Boston, because I think they'll play em straight up.
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lololololololololol
is this guy serious?
What have I said that's so ridiculous? I think I've made valid points in my responses. I would gladly discuss with you what you think is so ridiculous.
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lololololololololol
is this guy serious?
What have I said that's so ridiculous? I think I've made valid points in my responses. I would gladly discuss with you what you think is so ridiculous.
the way you talk about how a bench isn't important...
that is ludicrous...
a bench is one of the most important parts to a basketball team, especially in the playoffs...
so important that manu ginobili, one of the better g/f's in the game, actually comes off the bench...
look at the san antonio spurs...
even the old chicago bull teams... where would they be without their bench guys?
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You honestly think Doc Rivers is a good coach? Good motivator, yes, good coach, ah hell no.
I disagree with that too.
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is this guy serious?
What have I said that's so ridiculous? I think I've made valid points in my responses. I would gladly discuss with you what you think is so ridiculous.
the way you talk about how a bench isn't important...
that is ludicrous...
a bench is one of the most important parts to a basketball team, especially in the playoffs...
so important that manu ginobili, one of the better g/f's in the game, actually comes off the bench...
look at the san antonio spurs...
even the old chicago bull teams... where would they be without their bench guys?
I did say they were necessary to win games. I also said the bench's #1 priority in the season is to keep a teams top players fresh for late in the season in the playoffs. That is true! Of course a bench is important to winning a game, playoff games too, but even in the playoffs a bench doesn't put a team over the top. Benches do not put teams over the top - it's still the top players that do that.
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You honestly think Doc Rivers is a good coach? Good motivator, yes, good coach, ah hell no.
I disagree with that too.
Doc Rivers is a lot like Eric Wedge in my mind. He can do good things with a good team but when things aren't going so well, he doesn't know how to make the proper adjustments. It's pretty funny actually, most of the city wanted him gone last season and now suddenly he's amazing.
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Ok, i wrote that the wrong way. What i meant to hint at, is that I think Boston's bench is closer to starting talent than Clevelands. I think that there are more players that could start that play on Boston's bench, than could Clevelands.
Is this based merely on circumstance? and not talent? The only player that MIGHT start for Cleveland is Cassell and that's because Cleveland doesn't really have a pure PG. That's not a reflection on how good Cassell is but rather a numbers game in terms of roster spots. Cassell isn't anything special but he can run a team. West does a great job but Gibson is more of a SG. Beyond Boobie, the only other player capable of running the point is LeBron. When a team is thin at a position, ANY veteran NBA player with any skill whatsoever has a chance to start (see Eric Snow getting minutes for the last 2 years or so). Not sure how that would prove how good Boston's bench is?
Posey wouldn't start for Cleveland..... unless you're going to move LeBron to the 4 or slide Posey to the 2, which neither is really suited for.
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Yeah, I agree with that. I could have coached the Celtics to a 50-win season. It seems that coaches aren't even important anymore because most of them are only as good as their team.
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Cassell's rings were 13 years ago.
Also, Ben Wallace won a ring in Detroit...
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On the Cavs bench, only Boobie and Joe Smith would be major contributors on another NBA team IMO.
The Cavs bench isn't as good as some on here think it is.
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On the Cavs bench, only Boobie and Joe Smith would be major contributors on another NBA team IMO.
The Cavs bench isn't as good as some on here think it is.
devin brown was a pretty solid contributor to a team that has won 4 titles over the past decade
yet he wouldn't be a major contributor on any other team, how does that work?
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