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Adams might not be bad in Nickel/Dime packages.

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Just a reminder..Adams lost his starting job in San Fran because of his lack of hitting ability. He was moved to corner. I don't think he is an answer to our prayers but he has played corner in the pros.

Even if Holly will be fine, this is a huge wakeup call. We are very weak and very young. I understand Savage not wanting to draft one of the corners that were left. He didn't see them as being worth it. That's fine. He needs to have a backup plan (I'm sure he does) and I would feel much, much better if he were to execute it now.

Has it been determined where it happened??

I know he isn't signed yet, so I am wondering if he was even at a OTA and thinking it could have been sustained playing basketball or rollerskating.

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I know he isn't signed yet, so I am wondering if he was even at a OTA

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Really, I thought he signed a contract already.. like back in February or something?

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UPDATE 5/21 10AM: The OBR's story has now been confirmed by the Browns, WTAM, and the Lake County News-Herald.

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What am I missing,,, I went to WTAM, I went to the Browns site and nothing.. not an official word about it.. Also, nothing from WKYC either.

WHere is OBR getting the info that it's confirmed,,,

Tomorrow morning Savage will be on the radio with Wills and Snyder on WTAM.. We should know by then for sure I would think.

Well, here it is.....

Daven Holly blows out knee: Browns may woo Ty Law
UPDATE: 2:09 PM, Wednesday, May 21, 2008
BY Steve Doerschuk
REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER

BEREA Browns cornerback Daven Holly "blew out his knee" in practice Tuesday, Head Coach Romeo Crennel said today.

General Manager Phil Savage said Holly's injury is "pretty serious" and indicated surgery will be performed Friday.

Savage said finding a cornerback to replace Holly becomes a top priority.

Both Crennel and Savage made it clear they would like to sign former Patriots All-Pro Ty Law, who is still on the market as a free agent. However, Savage said signing Law is unlikely. He said the Browns have the salary cap room to bring in the veteran but are close to the edge of their limits in terms of cash expenditures.

Law is asking for a big signing bonus, which is where the cash comes in.

Holly was hurt when he collided in practice Tuesday with wideout Braylon Edwards, who came out of the exchange with a hip pointer.

Edwards' injury was not portrayed as serious, although he did miss today's practice.

Savage sounded skeptical about Gary Baxter being part of the solution.

Baxter was cleared for practice late last season after a long recovery from double patellar knee surgery.

Crennel said Baxter suffered a "re-injury" but was not specific other than to say Baxter has not been cleared to participate in spring practice.

Savage said Baxter is more likely to be a safety if he comes back.

Holly was competing with second-year pro Brandon McDonald for a starting cornerback job opposite Eric Wright.

Savage said the Browns are comfortable with Wright and McDonald, "but it's wide open after that." He alluded to four undrafted free-agent cornerbacks, hoping one would be good enough to make the team.

Savage said he will consider making a trade to add a cornerback. He wants a veteran but doubts it can be an expensive veteran. He seemed cool on the idea of bringing back Kenny Wright, a veteran who was cut last week.

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Crap.

Well, there's my confirmed talk of Law. Find the cap room and bring him in! We need him AND another young guy to step up. We had a depth problem before this injury and it's worse now.

Well, I was hoping for the best but expecting the worst, and I guess this is the "worst." Maybe we can bring back Ted Washington to play DB. You know no one's gonna get around him if he chucks the WR at the line!

I hope Holly can recover quickly and fully (which it doesn't look like Baxter has done).

This is friggin' ugly. Just UGLY.

Hey *knock on wood*, we went through last year pretty injury free. If this is the absolute worst that happens to us this year, I'll consider us pretty lucky.

Does anyone think there's a chance we take a flyer on putting a WR at DB sometimes? I have no idea if it would work or not, just throwing an idea out there.

and one more...

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8464
Holly out after 'serious' knee injury
Jeff Walcoff, Staff Writer
05.21.2008

Browns cornerback Daven Holly suffered a "serious" knee injury during practice at organized team activities Tuesday, according to head coach Romeo Crennel and general manager Phil Savage.

Holly will have surgery on the knee most likely Friday, according to Savage.

Crennel said there is damage to both ligaments and cartilage in the knee but did not specify anything more.

According to Savage and Crennel, Holly jumped for a ball during practice Tuesday and came down awkwardly on the knee.

Neither Savage nor Crennel provided a timetable as to when Holly would return to action.

On the same play, receiver Braylon Edwards suffered a hip pointer. Edwards missed practice Wednesday and is considered day-to-day. His injury is not considered serious.

Stay tuned to ClevelandBrowns.com for full coverage of Holly's injury and all of Wednesday's news.

If there was a way, I'm sure Phil would have considered it and it doesn't sound good. We may be SOL.

As much as this hurts, I do believe Phil will find a way to bring in a couple veterans for depth and still not over spend or trade away any high draft choices. If there was anybody I have faith in to find a solution to this problem it's Phil,

the weird part is that I don't know of any stipulation in the CBA regarding actual cash expenditures.... does this mean that we've simply blown Randy's budget for signings for the year?

Well, remember that we still have a few draft picks to sign to a contract. So Phil may wait until those are done to see what kind of cash we have left before he pursues anyone. I never thought I'd say this but Thank God we didn't have a #1 pick.

The thing is we gave a lot of upfront guarenteed money to the guys we traded for. Probably much, much more then we would have for if we had our first three picks. We do have some people on here that understand salary cap issues. Maybe they will be able to shed some light on things.

Problem is that, since our need was high to begin with and our need is extremely high now, other teams can take advantage and ask for exorbitant amounts in return (very high draft picks, good players, etc.).

Oh this could be bad.....very very bad.

we'll probably see a trade to pick up a displaced vet a la the Hank Fraley deal 2 years ago. That one worked out pretty damn well.

I don;t see us shelling out for an over the hill Ty Law or giving up more draft picks for Sheppard.

We'll trade for a mid-level vet and then scour camp cuts for wily vets and potential diamonds in the rough. Then we cross our fingers and pray that our front 7 is going to be as good as advertised and our corners only have to cover for a few seconds.

This may also benefit us....Phil may have to look into trading T.Wilson or A.Davis for a CB, I know saying this might upset some but even a Jerome Harrison or a Steve Hieden might bring some value to a team with extra CB looking to add depth also but in other areas,

It could benefit us in now bye trading away other players, players like Bell Hubbard or whom ever will now have to step up and perform thus giving players a chance they might not have gotten before the trades.

Remember were not gonna trade for a all-pro...champ baily type CB were looking to add solid Depth or a player good enough to make a team, our team...but not good enough to start but good enough to back-up a starter, there is diffrence in talent thats why these players are obtainable in a trade.

just clicking...

I didn't see Troy Brown's name on here. Yes, he's mainly known as a WR, but has played CB - and I think 2 years ago quite a bit. Last I had read before the draft, the Pats weren't going to re-up him - so he should be available (unless he signed somewhere else, but ESPN has him as a Pat still). I personally would love to see Phil bring him in and see what he has left in the tank.

Relax, we can't even if we wanted to... Ralph is a Cardinal; and there is no way we trade for the likes of him.

Everyone is a little worked up.

Daven Holly sucked last year, and I mean he stunk up the joint.

JMO

Kardiac, thanks for the info,, Dang this sucks..

Unlike some folks, I was actually ok with the guys we had,, Holly was someone I was counting on to mature and bring his A game this year.. I'm bummed out.

I hate to see them go after a Ty Law.. Not because I don't want him, but because it's really early in the season and we may need some of the money for something else. Seems wrong to kill the cap this early... but that's just me.

It's a week and a half to June 1st.... any trades for a vet would allow the trading team to spread any cap hit from accellerated bonus money over this year and next, which might make it easier to acquire someone.

Browns Scramble to Replace Holly


CB Daven Holly By Fred Greetham
OBR Browns Reporter
Posted May 21, 2008


Fred Greetham reports from Berea, as the loss of the corner gives the Browns a hole to fill. Here's what Romeo Crennel and Phil Savage have to say about their next steps, and more...


BEREA — It was not what the Browns were expecting.

To lose cornerback Daven Holly most likely for the season is a serious blow to the Browns plans for 2008.

However, if there is a silver lining it would be that the injury occurred in May and the team will have time to adjust to his absence.

“We weren’t done at the position (cornerback) anyway,” Phil Savage said. “Looking at our roster, we didn’t have a lot of depth to begin with. It was a soft spot as far as depth goes.

“We were concerned already,” he said. “It’s not good, but at least we have time to react.”

The Browns had traded away Leigh Bodden in the Shaun Rogers trade and were basically counting upon Holly and Brandon McDonald to battle it out for the starting spot opposite of second-year corner Eric Wright.

Romeo Crennel said that Braylon Edwards and Holly were going after a ball in practice on Tuesday and Holly came down wrong on the knee.

“He basically blew out the knee,” Crennel said. “He needs surgery and we don’t know how long he’ll be out, but it doesn’t look good.”

Edwards suffered a hip pointer and was held out of Wednesday’s practice.

“He’s day-to-day, but I think he’ll be alright,” Crennel said.

Holly is believed to have torn at least two ligaments, as well as cartilage. With Holly facing surgery scheduled for Friday, McDonald moves into the front running spot to be the starter.

“When my name is called, I have to be ready,” McDonald said. “I don’t see a change in my role. I’m competing every day out there.”

If McDonald and Wright are the starters, the Browns will have both corners in just their second season.

“I don’t see it as No. 1 or No. 2,” Wright said. “I want to be more productive than I was as a rookie.”

One possibility is to use Mike Adams at corner and recently signed Jereme Perry.

“It’s a big blow to the team,” Adams said. “We just have to keep going. It’s part of the game. We’re all professional football players and someone is going to have to step up.”

McDonald thinks he can handle whatever is thrust upon him.

“I’m working in the nickel,” McDonald said. “Some of it is new to me, but I think I’m doing pretty well.”

Savage and staff are scouring the available free agents to bring in. Ty Law and Lito Shepard were mentioned, but Savage indicated their current salary demands would make it nearly impossible to take on as is.

“We have cap space, but the issue is for cash out the door,” Savage said. “Unless those guys have a change of heart, it will be tough.”

Savage is hoping to acquire a cornerback who can come in and be one of the top three in the equation.

“Optimally, whoever we bring in we’d like to be one of our top three,” Savage said. “We have two with Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald. Other than that, it’s wide open.”

Notebook

Rookies Join: The rookies have joined the OTAs and Crennel said they are adjusting.

“The new kids have come in and are learning,” he said. “They made a lot of mistakes the first day, but today was better.”

Missing: Crennel said LB Willie McGinest was excused for personal reasons, while WR Braylon Edwards missed practice after colliding with Holly. Edwards suffered a hip pointer and is day-to-day.

WR Joe Jurevicius (knee), TE Steve Heiden (back) and OL Ryan Tucker (hip) missed practice with injuries. TE Kellen Winslow and OL LeCharles Bentley were still missing, but Crennel expects them at

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IMHO....Always stay ahead the curve ....At this point IF we have the chance to acquire Henry or another DB with Talent we should do so , before someone else does , and that option is lost ....However , I don't see us making any moves until after the June Cuts....

If there was a "Cleveland Curse", Braylon would've blown out his knee instead of just getting a hip pointer on that jump ball. See...our luck's changing!!!

Hopefully someone will come available that can help us out.

One of, if not our weakest area, just got weaker.

J/C

What does it mean that we have the cap space but not the cash? Does that mean Lerner won't release the funds to pay for the signing bonus or that the bonus they are asking for would essentially put us over the cap aka "we can fit in their salary but not their bonus"

I almost hope the Browns re-sign Corey Fuller so I can throw batteries at him.

Definatly hurts the team, I wish Holly the best in recovery and I hope his carreer isn't over.

My prayers are with you Daven!!

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I almost hope the Browns re-sign Corey Fuller so I can throw batteries at him.

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May the fleas of a thousands camels infest your tighty whities for making such a statement