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I mean, wouldn't you still want to be able to process the information going on on the field and think strategically?
What for? To help call in plays? 
I agree though. I go to the games to watch the games. Not pass out in the 2nd quarter. Or worse puke all over my section.
Well I have my seat location this year for one year only(for now) so I am going to act like a total ass(more than normal) so the person who owns the PSL's will be so hated when they return next season that they will want to sell me the PSL's .  (this will be funny for those who know whos seats I have this season)
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Though it might not happen at the place you hang, Dawg Talk Island, I am sure that isn't even 1% of the fans who attend games. Overall the atmosphere during tailgating isn't appropriate for people under the age of 18 and this needs to stop. Yes football might be violent, but that doesn't mean people need to get plastered hours before a game, and act foolish creating unfavorable conditions for a family. It wouldn't bother me one bit if security started making fans take breathalysers before entering the stadium so they could eliminate the riff raff that attend games. I never understood why people needed to get so drunk before football games, not only do they miss the real point of attending, it makes good people not go because people can't behave like responsible citizens. Changes need to be made, and this is a good first step by commissioner Goddell.
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I can't agree with that, but I can agree it's not appropriate for all ages. I waited till my kids were 16 before I let them tailgate.
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I'll agree that changes need to be made, and that security needs to be beefed up. Anybody who gets out of line needs to be tossed out of the game. Somebody who starts a fight should be tossed and charged with assult. Anybody who throws crap should be tossed out and charged with assult. Any who gets so drunk they are puking, or passing out needs to be tossed out.
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I'll agree that changes need to be made, and that security needs to be beefed up. Anybody who gets out of line needs to be tossed out of the game. Somebody who starts a fight should be tossed and charged with assult. Anybody who throws crap should be tossed out and charged with assult. Any who gets so drunk they are puking, or passing out needs to be tossed out.
And in the end that is where this is headed.
The "NFL" isn't going to do anything to fans. It is simply establishing a conduct policy for fans to see so when each club starts cracking down on bad behavior nobody can complain.
And bad behavior doesn't have to go as far as fighting in the aisles.
I think you will see more people denied admission as they stagger up holding a ticket, and more people ejected for things such as yelling cuss words and just plain anti-social behavior.
I think we will see restroom attendants to monitor what happens in restrooms with the ability to radio for police to start arresting people.
The number of cops on site probably won't go up much. The city can only delegate so many to the event and the team can hire only so many extras, but team security can be on alert.
If they really start to crack down on stuff like that, it won't take a game or two before the message is sent........if you show up smashed, you won't get in. If you act up inside, you will be thrown out.
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After reading through the thread, I have to say I'm impressed, I expected more objections. It shouldn't have to be as black and white as age restrictions or banning beer, adults should be able to act like adults.
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After reading through the thread, I have to say I'm impressed, I expected more objections. It shouldn't have to be as black and white as age restrictions or banning beer, adults should be able to act like adults.
That pretty much sums it up right there, unless of course you are sitting in babes seats, then you are free to act like a ass.
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What is going on here? I dont agree the with tailgating? I dont agree with drunkeness? good lord, municipal is dead as dead. ohhh boo hoo, i wanna take my kid to a game without having him exposed to beer and loud cursing, give me a break. My mom didnt take me to a Browns games until I was old enough, because she knew what went on there. So what. Our society is becoming desensitized to violence on a daily basis through multiple media outlets, and people wanna turn football games into Disney matinees?  good grief.
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Our society is becoming desensitized to violence on a daily basis through multiple media outlets, and people wanna turn football games into Disney matinees?
Nope, I want all of the hard hitting contact I can get on the field... You screaming profanities at the field, the refs, and other fans while in a drunken stupor adds NOTHING to the game, in fact, it detracts from it.
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After reading through the thread, I have to say I'm impressed, I expected more objections. It shouldn't have to be as black and white as age restrictions or banning beer, adults should be able to act like adults.
That pretty much sums it up right there, unless of course you are sitting in babes seats, then you are free to act like a ass.
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What is going on here?
I dont agree the with tailgating?
I dont agree with drunkeness?
good lord, municipal is dead as dead.
ohhh boo hoo, i wanna take my kid to a game without having him exposed to beer and loud cursing, give me a break. My mom didnt take me to a Browns games until I was old enough, because she knew what went on there. So what.
Our society is becoming desensitized to violence on a daily basis through multiple media outlets, and people wanna turn football games into Disney matinees?
good grief.
Quit being such a blowhard. Your causing global warming.
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I think you will see more people denied admission as they stagger up holding a ticket, and more people ejected for things such as yelling cuss words and just plain anti-social behavior.
What I would be afraid of is them turning people away just because they THINK they have had to much to drink. Somebody drives several hours to the game, has a few drinks at the tailgate, then gets refused admission because some idiot thinks they are to drunk to enter.
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Exactly, just because someone is intoxicated, doesn't mean they will start a riot.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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and just because somebody drank a six pack over a 5 hour period does not mean they are drunk
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No, but they've got a running start.......
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While I agree that I don't really want 60 different people at ticket areas each deciding who is too drunk and who isn't.... and I agree that just because you're intoxicated doesn't mean you will start a riot...
I think the point Peen is trying to make, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, is that if the people don't start policing themselves and acting like grown ups... then the rules are only going to get that much more strict. In the end, the most obnoxious fans, otherwise known as "the lowest common denominator" are going to decide for everybody else how bad the rules get.
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No, but they've got a running start.......
I saw the smiley - but for what it's worth, a 6 pack over 5 hours would be the equivalent of a totally sober guy walking into the stadium and buying 2 beers, drinking the first one on his way to his seat, and drinking the second on during the first quarter.
Not quite a "running" start.
The problem is when a guy has a 6 pack (or more) in the hour prior to the game, then continues to buy beer during the game at the rate of 2 per quarter.
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Sorry, but to modify your example, if I had a beer now and had another while I watched a half hour sitcom on TV,and it was on an empty stomach, I'd have a buzz by the ending credits. Which I'd quantify as a "running start". Perhaps I'm not quite the "alkie" that you guys are.......
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Good Gosh.....do you argue everything?? I think I used the term staggering... Ok....let them in, but if they even fart in the wrong place, toss them out.....wait, you would have real problems.
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It shouldn't have to be as black and white as age restrictions or banning beer, adults should be able to act like adults.
I used to have a common phrase when someone would say something that I agreed with and they summed it up in short fashion----I would say "There ya have it, in 25 words or less."
You did it with that line. Attending a football game is not about getting lit and acting like an ass, it's about going to watch a football game and supporting your team in their endeavor.
Obviously, if it weren't a problem then it wouldn't be in the process of being discussed. It's funny when you hear these stories about how it has "always been like this" and people should expect it to be "that way" because that is the norm.
Actually, it isn't the norm. When people talk about fights and people acting like an ass, it is an exception to the rule and they stand out in their minds because they are such isolated incidents......and when they occur, people stand up and take notice because they aren't accustomed to seeing things such as this. They are becoming more and more the norm, and they shouldn't......henceforth the crackdown.
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And to add to your well said words....be respectful of opposing fans.
Standing up and cheering for their team isn't a sign of disrespect.
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Sorry, but to modify your example, if I had a beer now and had another while I watched a half hour sitcom on TV,and it was on an empty stomach, I'd have a buzz by the ending credits. Which I'd quantify as a "running start".
Perhaps I'm not quite the "alkie" that you guys are.......
That's all well and good. Congrats to you for not being a drunk...........oh, but wait, that was kind of my point. If 2 drinks in an hour gives you a buzz, but 4 drinks in an hour does nothing to the guy beside you, do you really want anyone to "predetermine" who can get into a game and who cannot? 2 drinks in an hour puts your bac at .04, but it would drop to about .02 or .03 at the end of the hour. The state of ohio has determined, along with about 45-49 other states, that .08 is where judgment slips as far as driving a vehicle............and we all know watching a game is not near as complicated as driving a car.
What are your thoughts on drinking and attending a game? Obviously, with your example, a breath test won't work since you say you are buzzed after 2 drinks in an hour - obviously banning alcohol will never happen because stadiums make too much money off of it, as does the nfl
I hate the drunk rowdies as much as anybody. Do you have any suggestions?
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Assuming that the people that need to be policed don't have enough common sense to act like adults I doubt that any policy will completely do away with the problem of drunken rowdiness.
But I suppose you could institute a policy that says you could lose your tickets for the next game if you're tossed from one game. Two games if you're tossed a second time, etc.
But that would probably be cost-prohibitive (to police) in the long run. The problem really comes down to the fact that a lot of "adults" can't or won't act their age. I don't know how you remedy that without taking away some of the privileges that the majority have rightfully earned. Sad but true.
I might also add that I've spent enough time in the Muni Lot to know that a good 75% of those folks are way past buzzed by the time they reach the game. Frankly, I'm surprised there isn't more violence in the stands.
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This is a tough issue to give a definitive opinion on. Lots of factors involved and I doubt if there is a "right" solution.
Personally, I have never attended a game and not drank. However, I have never really gotten drunk at a game. I think the most I ever drank was when I met Diam at DTI a few years ago. Probably had more than I should have.
I personally have never liked the rowdy drunks. I never liked those who ooze violence. They make me uncomfortable, even though I am never their target. It was hard when I first took my children to games. But, not to worry.........my kids just laughed at those guys and thought they were idiots.
I can't stand people who are always out of their seats and think they are more of the show than the show. On the other hand, I do like laughing at guys who go berserk. It's entertaining to watch them hoot and holler rooting for the Browns.
I don't like the fact that some dill-weed at the gate can turn people away. I know a lot of drunks who would never get violent. I do not approve of a police state. I think people should police themselves.
I also really never worry too much about drunks and don't need help. If they really wanna go..........well.........I can handle myself.
I don't know......it's tough. I don't think there should be fighting at games. But, I don't want the stadium to become even more sterile than it already is. And believe me..............it seems so orchestrated lately. Commercials and this fake goody-goody feeling. Hell.....some of my best times at games were walking out w/my daughter and the both of us laughing our asses off at these crazy things the drunks were saying/chanting.
I guess I think football is trying to become like the rest of society.........project the image of being righteous, pure, clean, and politically correct.......while the reality is that it is uglier, dirtier, and more corrupt than ever.
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Thanks for the reply. I agree.
There really is no way to police it. 70,000 at a game, or society in general. If more laws and rules were the answer, this country would be set.
However, those people, drunk or not, that cause problems need to be punished in some manner, in my opinion. Problem is, what if I have someones season tickets, I get rowdy and fight - you can't take away that persons season tickets because of it.
The remedy ought to be a game day deal - kicked out of the game, maybe arrested and dealt with in the courts.......I don't know.
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Sorry, but to modify your example, if I had a beer now and had another while I watched a half hour sitcom on TV,and it was on an empty stomach, I'd have a buzz by the ending credits. Which I'd quantify as a "running start".
Perhaps I'm not quite the "alkie" that you guys are.......
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Ok....let them in, but if they even fart in the wrong place, toss them out.....wait, you would have real problems.
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Problem is, what if I have someones season tickets, I get rowdy and fight - you can't take away that persons season tickets because of it.
Actually, while you may feel this way, they can take away your season tickets. That's one of the reasons I don't sell my tickets to someone I don't know if I can't make a game. One drunk does something stupid while he's in my seats and I'm screwed. Not a good feeling.
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I think you would be given a pass...especially if you sold them through Viagogo.
They can void your PSL, but I don't think they would unless it became a reoccurring problem with those seats.
But, like you, I have only sold my extras to people I know.
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I should have clarified my breathalyser comment a bit more, I don't think everyone should take a breathalyser, only the obvious people that are hammered. I look at it like this, when I go to someone else's house I don't show up tanked, I try to be respectful even in a party atmosphere. I don't condone the responsible drinker, it's those that infringe on other peoples rights, like Vers, I agree with much of what he says, but still thinks the system needs improvement.
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While I agree that I don't really want 60 different people at ticket areas each deciding who is too drunk and who isn't.... and I agree that just because you're intoxicated doesn't mean you will start a riot...
My point was that being drunk is indicative of being an ass. I know plenty of people who are nothing but happy, good time drunks. But I know a lot that become belligerent and obnoxious when they are drunk as well.
Judgment should be made based solely on the persons immediate behavior. If someone is annoying the heck out of everyone around them, toss them. If someone comes staggering to the front gates yelling obscenities at the Steelers fan and his kid walking next to him, give him a stern warning, and if he immediately says something again, kick him in the teeth...err deny him access.
I mean if they can't even show up with a mature attitude, chances are their going to an ass by half time.
But you can't deny someone just because they've had a few drinks, everyone handles drinking differently.
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That was my point as well so stop arguing when we agree..  A drunk is far more likely to go from "good timing" to fighting than is a sober person....
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But you can't deny someone just because they've had a few drinks, everyone handles drinking differently.
You would have to define "a few drinks" but technically you can. There are laws against being drunk in public there are laws which would prohibit a beer vendor from selling beer to somebody who appeared the least bit intoxicated.
As I said in a previous post, the laws and rules that we all have to live by are going to be dictated by the lowest common denominator, the exception and not the rule, the handful of beligerent obnoxious violent drunks... they will determine how far the rules go.
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I personally have never liked the rowdy drunks. I never liked those who ooze violence. They make me uncomfortable, even though I am never their target.
Because of where I've lived, I've seen far more Browns road games than home games over the last 10 years. I've seen them in Washington DC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Philly so I have been the target because I wear my Browns stuff proudly. So I will tell you, 95% of my experiences have been positive but there are always those select few a every game that make you uncomfortable because you are SOOOOO outnumbered and you never know who is going to help you or join in with the beating if things go that way.
I will also say this, you can't tell from looking at people what their mentality is. I went to Baltimore in November of 2001, the Browns were actually a .500 team and had already beaten the Ravens once. My friend go the tickets and he's a Skins fan so he was indifferent. We got to the stadium and there were 5 "biker" looking folks sitting behind us, we had good seats, lower level in the endzone. It was 4 guys and 1 woman, they had the denim jackets with the sleeves cut out and Ravens patches, the rags on their heads, chains on the wallets, the biker boots, long hair, ZZTop lookin' beards, a bunch of tats... at first appearance, they were rough and they were right behind me. So we sat down and as soon as the beer vendor came around I got one for me and my buddy and 5 for them... I introduced myself and told them I was hoping for a good game. About 8 rows in front of us were a few weightlifting yuppy college kids who were causing problems. They threatened every Browns fan who stood and cheered. They even threated a 60 year old couple and told them they would never make it out of the stadium because they had to go by them to get out.  Well, in the 4th the Browns intercepted a pass which pretty much sealed the victory for the Browns and I stood to cheer. The yuppies turned and started threatening me only now there weren't 3 of them, there were 5 of them. So I stood and cheered and told them to sit down and they turned like they were going to come up my way.. then suddenly, they stopped and they sat down... I turned around and my biker buddies were standing behind me pointing for them to SIT DOWN. I thanked them and we exchanged our opinions on how sad it is that some people just can't enjoy the game, win or lose.... So, you just never know but it never hurts to make friends BEFORE you get a few beers in you.
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My point was that being drunk is indicative of being an ass.
That was my point as well so stop arguing when we agree..
What's the fun of the boards if I can't argue with you when we agree, it's much easier to get my point across that way.
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Problem is, what if I have someones season tickets, I get rowdy and fight - you can't take away that persons season tickets because of it.
Actually, while you may feel this way, they can take away your season tickets. That's one of the reasons I don't sell my tickets to someone I don't know if I can't make a game. One drunk does something stupid while he's in my seats and I'm screwed. Not a good feeling.
Bad choice of words on my part. I know they CAN, but in and isolated incidence, I don't think they should. And, they probably don't - I don't know.
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Attending a football game is not about getting lit
um, yeah. go down to the muni lot before a game with a loudspeaker and let them know that, that should get them going
but seriously. If fans are caught fighting or any other violent behavior, make the penalties harsher.
99% of the time, you dont see brawls at the game, so who who cares what they do?
If you dont like it, there is a family zone, just for you.
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If you dont like it, there is a family zone, just for you.
How about it is freaking public place, if you want to act like a drunken idiot keep your ass at home. I have no problem with drinking and the occasional swear word, hell I cuss like a drunken sailor myself sometimes( I am working on it) but if you have to get sloppy drunk and act like a ahole you dont deserve the privileg of being at a public function.
Is some simple manners really that hard of a thing to comply with? It doesnt have to be on extreme or the other, there is a happy medium.
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