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I wonder how many families go to a restarunt 10:00 pm? At any rate don't worry about the police pulling you over, no ticket...no worry. 
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OK so someone blows a .09.... They are really completely capable of driving. They don't get an accident. They get cherry picked by a cop late at night. Who is the victim here?
So, it's the cop who's at fault here? Perhaps they are just doing their job. The BAC is too low, IMO, but if I get pulled over and blow over .08, why would I be ticked at the cop who arrests me? 
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If ignorance is bliss, you gotta be the happiest person on this board. What studies have you performed to say that someone blowing a .09 is perfectly capable of driving? How many cases have YOU actually looked into (since they're a matter of public record) and found wrong doing by police?
I would suggest that you and Tyler are just bitter because you don't like the idea of something you enjoy being illegal. Tough. The laws are there for a reason. These people you are belittling have dedicated their lives to protecting others. Your ignorant rants are completely untrue, unfounded, and laughable.
Get back to me with the results of your research. Until then, you're just another whiner that is angry his favorite vice is illegal.
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I can easily drink a sixer while watching a Browns game and drive home completely safely. I would definitely blow over if I got pulled over, but I just drive ultra cautious.
Driving after drinking isn't necessarily as dangerous as many claim it to be. Its driving recklessly after drinking that causes problems. Driving home doing 80 because you are trying to get off the roads ASAP b/c of fear of getting pulled over. Driving with a cigarette in your hand and the radio blasting after leaving the bar. This is what causes accidents. If you just focus on navigating the roads safely--then there is little or no risk associated with driving after a bucket of beer.
Of course, if you can't walk, talk, or see str8, then that is a different story.
IMO it is reckless driving that is the danger, not necessarily the drinking part---that is just the thing that we choose to blame. Similarly we blame drugs and guns for crime. When in fact, its the irresponsibility with regard to these things that becomes a problem and often has tragic results.
Yea, our way of diagnosing social ills is beyond dumb.
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As I said in PM. Prove your false assertions. As you said in PM, you can only go by wait you claim are personal experiences. Just because you haven't been in a wreck doesn't mean you were safe to drive. That's like saying airport security is very "safe" because no terrorists have been caught since 9-11. Pure bunk.
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If you drink a 6 pack of 12 oz. beers over the course of 3 hours, you will NOT blow over the limit - unless you weigh like, 100 pounds or something. (provided you don't drink any other alcohol).
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"I know a few cops that are decent people. So I can't say that all cops are lousy people. But I can say that I think most laws that they enforce are lousy. I think DUI laws are more about extorting money out of the public than keeping people safe. And I think that drug laws function in the same vein.
In my mind, killing, stealing, robbery, rape, assault---these are the laws that should be enforced. And pretty much the only laws that we really need."
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So the cop does his job...just as is required of him by the city gov't and your beef is with the cop????
Many of us hold Libertarian views concerning local ordinances and we wish the laws were more lenient or repealed...but you make those changes thru the ballot boxes and thru elections. Cut the cop some slack here!
As far as the personal attacks go...don't participate nor respond...like the grownups do!
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I can't say that all cops are lousy people. But I can say that I think most laws that they enforce are lousy.
Cause if you did, you would see that my beef is with the laws, not really the cops.
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I have been harassed by cops for stupid things in the past... And very rude cops at that.
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And the maybe one or two times that we actually needed them in the past, they didn't even do anything. I remember witnessing assault & battery / domestic violence in a club in Akron a couple years back. A girl that was in our group was just sitting at a table... Her ex boyfriend came in, saw her, basically came over and punched her in the face then ran off. Tons of people saw it and we called the police. Waited over 2 hours and they never even bothered to show up.
well i gotta tell ya, that there just aren't enough cops to go round...while its unfortunate that some guy did that....that might not be the worst thing going on at the time....if he was waving a gun, i'll bet you there would have been police everywhere...
more than likely they showed up after you left....not the ideal response, but often times the best a short staffed department can do...
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Then getting ticketed for speeding, etc
so your pissed for getting a ticket....don't be mad at the police....look in the mirror....
i got a few tickets when i was younger...said nothing but i'm sorry....i'm the one that decided to drive fast....
wether you know it or not, that officer is trying to protect YOU, even if you don't want protecting....not to mention whoever you might hit...
and as far as the intial thread from derden....i don't much see the big deal....for what its worth, having a list like that might give an officer alittle warning as far as what to expect on an stop....
but imo what it really does is this.....it makes thier presence known....
you talk about it...it spreads...just like that speed trap you talked about...
most people don't speed where they know the police sit...
same goes for drinking and driving.....if a city is watching more than normal, heavy drinkers might just go elsewhere...and guess what....that officer just deterred crime in his jurisdiction...and didn't have to make a stop....
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so your pissed for getting a ticket....don't be mad at the police....look in the mirror....
i got a few tickets when i was younger...said nothing but i'm sorry....i'm the one that decided to drive fast....
 I got my first speeding ticket at age 16. I had gotten my license at about 11 am on a tuesday. At 9:00 pm on wednesday I had my first speeding ticket. Lost my license for 30 days.
I still see the judge every now and then - and he STILL talks about me to juveniles that are in his court for traffice offenses - he says things like "well, you almost beat the record - I had one person that got a ticket 34 hours after he got his license".
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lol.... i got pulled over once going 77 north to 490 west...went into the turn going about 80, came out going about 110.... slowed down on the bridge to about 80....passed one car then i got pulled over....the officer walks up to the car, and says "either you were flyin', or that car you passed was in reverse" ended up getting a ticket for going 80....figured that wasen't bad cause i was going 30 more than that a few seconds earlier....lol 16 and stupid....the good old days...
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My wfie's cousin was a pilot in the Navy. He was in town when we were younger and borrowed my bike. He said he was over 100 MPHs when he got caught on 71. The trooper that pulled him over gave him a sarcastic "Can I see your pilot's license." My cousin in law calmly pulled out his credentials and handed them to the trooper. The trooper looked at them, realized what they were, laughed, and told him if he saw him going 1 MPH over the speed limit the rest of his leave, he was going to write him up, turned around and walked back to his car.
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thats pretty funny...
i remember once i was coming home from paramedic school, and i was following a police car going about 50 in a 35....he didn't have his lights on.....
then he hits the lights...pulls over one car....then backs up and tells me to pull off the road too....
he gets this guys license...and walks up to my car...and asks me what the heck am i doing going 50 in a 35.....
i said, "following you"...he just shook his head and laughed and told me to get out of here....
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i was stationed at FT. campbell and i lived in a little town off post called big rock, and it is next to dover which is like mayberry. I had a 5.0 mustang and i was flying through some curves when the county sherrif pulled me over...80 in a 55. he said after he took my license, "i've been waiting for you all day" as serious as i could i said " well, i got here as fast as i could" didn't get a ticket 
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been harassed by cops for stupid things in the past... And very rude cops at that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- couldn't have anything to do with your attitude huh? lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've had a couple issues with cops as well, and I have no attitude and think of myself as very well-mannered and good guy. I got pulled over about a year and a half ago for speeding. I was speeding, and I wasn't mad about that at all. Well, the officer approaches my window, and as he's at the back of my car, I take off my belt to bet my registration out. He says, "why is your seatbelt off?" I tell him I just took it off like a second ago as he was walkng ot the window. He doesn't say a word. Grabs my stuff, walks back to his car, then returns a few minutes later. He tells me he's giving me a ticket for speeding as well as for not wearing my seatbelt. I'm like, WTF?! I didn't blow a fuse, I just politely told him that I did have it on, like I said before, and took it off to get my stuff out when you were walking up (which I'm sure he saw me do). He tells me, "next time, don't take it off until I tell you to take it off.." and walks away.  I would have loved to got out of the car and gave him a piece of my mind, but I'm not stupid. Being nice didn't exactly work, either. I thought it was completely uncalled for. I was going to fight the ticket, but just gave in and paid it. Had another incident with some punk cop that I semi-know. I used to go to a gym a lot, and the first several months with one of my good friends, who is a cop as well. One of his cop buddies worked out there as well. If I was with my friend, he'd BS with us, say hi to me, etc. If my friend wasn't there and i acknowledged him, he blew me off and ignored me. One day, my bro gets pulled over and they tow his car. Said that his license was suspened in Beaver Township. He didn't even know where the hell that was. It ended up being a mistake. But he had to straighten it up at a later time. In the meantime, I had to go pick him up on the side of the road. There were 2 cops there. One of them was the guy from the gym. Both were standing next to each other, waiting as we approached. I ask the one cop, "do you need to see my license before I take him home?" He tells me no, not to worry about it. He walks away with my brother while the other cop from the gym sits there with me. He waits for the other cop to leave, then turns to me and says, "I need your license and registration." I'm thinking to myself, "what a ." Point is, some cops are cocky SOB's, are rude and aren't out there "trying to protect YOU," as you said. Some are good guys, but there are ones out there that are dirtbags, like some are trying to describe.
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Not getting into the pissing match on this thread, but I was just telling a few friends the other day, in regards to the Buffalo game last year...
When everyone got out of the stadium, the roads were deplorable - a white sheet over all of I-71 (at least until Rt. 82 - Strongsville when I got off). With that said, and a good guess of 20-25K out of the 60-65K that showed up to that game --- at the time they drove home, would've blown at least an .08 or higher, there were absolutely no wrecks, cars skidded off, on the medians, etc.
I went to work the next day, between 5:45-6:30am --- before rush hour - but still a steady pace of traffic.
The roads where just as much a mess as when we all drove home between 4:30-6pm - ODOT had not done a darned thing - yet people where getting in accidents and flying off the road all over the place.
I have to generally assume that many of these people, like me, where headed to work. And like, me, probably wouldn't blow a .08 at 6am on their way to work.
Moral of the story...the drunks who drove home and concentrated did better off then the high flyers that next morning who were sober and too excited to get into work.
Not saying I agree nor support driving drunk, but an interesting story I felt needed to be shared.
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Point is, some cops are cocky SOB's, are rude and aren't out there "trying to protect YOU," as you said. Some are good guys, but there are ones out there that are dirtbags, like some are trying to describe.
lol...i won't argue with you about that one bit
i'm a firefighter...and i've seen my share of good cops and bad...
that wasen't my point...i was talking to the other poster that basically said almost all cops are bad, and there is only a few good ones..
my dad was a cop, he's retired...my uncle was a cop, and he's now got a different job, and my brother-in-law is a cop...
so maybe i have a jaded view, but i know alot of cops, and they are no different than everyone else...there is good and bad...but they do a hard job, so i respect them....
my brother-in-law told me once that if your batting 1000...50% of the people you see as a policeman will be happy to see you...and nobody bats 1000....
that certainly wasen't cool about the seatbelt...thats just someone being a jerk....
what i usually do if i get pulled over is just stop...and keep both hands high on the steering wheel...and i wait for the officer to approach the window...then i do what they ask...
i'm assuming if you had to take off your belt, that your registration was in your glove box...how do you think that looks to a cop, to see someone reaching over to where they can't see? it doesn't excuse him from being a jerk, but i could see him putting up his guard...and as for not taking your word....these guys are lied to all day...still if you were cool, he probably should have took your word for it....
my dad told me thats a stressful thing walking up to a car alone...
i had an issue once with going to court in parma for a ticket...
i pulled into the front lot, where there were alot of regular cars...went in and got the ticket taken care of...
i come back out and most of the cars are gone...and a parma motorcycle cop is giving me a parking ticket...he tells me i'm in a police only lot...i point out the other vehicles, and ask him about those...he says there fine....
then he points to the sign, that i didn't see because a tree was growing in front of it...he says he don't care....so i take the ticket...walk back in, explain what happened, and the guy says he'll take care of it....but what an egotistical jerk...
now i'll give you another good cop story....was 2 years ago...browns steelers game....some steelers fan is walking with a white trash bag full of cans of beer...and an open one in his hand....cleveland cop says, "you don't come into our town....dressed like that, drinking in public" then he made the dude dump all his beer....classic...
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I'm going to just say I haven't read everyone's response but I can tell you what the cop did was not illegal. My sister in law is a cop and she says if she's on patrol and there no action, she'll look into a close by parking lot and just start running plates. Funny thing she has caught some pretty bad people that way, including a child molestor who had an open warrant. Your license plate # is out in plain sight and the cop was on patrol in that area, so yes they have every right to do that.
Were you the same dude who had the roomie who was a nutcase? If so you seem to be surrounding yourself with a bit of dramatic existence.
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I have been harassed by cops for stupid things in the past... And very rude cops at that.
couldn't have anything to do with your attitude huh? lol
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No. I am smart enough to not get an attitude when dealing with the law. My attitude here in this topic is based upon the bad experiences I have had. If you haven't had any, consider yourself lucky.
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 Dude you are not that important, the cops care about the public not you sort of speak, stop doing drugs and getting hammered and these worries will go away. Side note: Your weak as hell, you accuse peeps of calling you names and what not, but the fact is YOU broke the law. Get a set and quit crying about getting pulled over, been there done that, thin skinned one. Quit the I am an "angel" routine, you seem to be just another in the long list of those who have no idea about life and your posts have proven that. Your young, hopefully you'll grow up, but from reading your posts on this board, I am asking for a miracle LOL. Oh and when you tried to portay as Shep "dogging" you, that was DUMB, yes I said it, but you posts proved it, so don't act like people are hating on you, this situation is one you brought upon yourself.. Oh and Waaa, want your pacifier, this happens all the time, lightweight.
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what i usually do if i get pulled over is just stop...and keep both hands high on the steering wheel...and i wait for the officer to approach the window...then i do what they ask...
Excellent advice. Like it or not, the cop does have the ability to make your life suck for awhile.. and not only can he make your like sucky.. he can make it expensive too.
What you want to do is place your wrists at the top of the steering wheel fingers out and up. Have the window down, pull as far as you can to the right side letting him use his car as a shield from bypassing traffic.. If he asks you for license and registration, you tell him where it is and you ask him if it's okay to reach for it. What you want is you want this guy to like you and have a comfort zone dealing with you. If you can tell his rank address him by rank, the Sarge's will like that.
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that's kinda creepy
my girlfriend is a police dispatcher, i'll ask her if she's ever heard anything like that, i would bet everything i have that her department doesn't do stuff like that
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that's kinda creepy
my girlfriend is a police dispatcher, i'll ask her if she's ever heard anything like that, i would bet everything i have that her department doesn't do stuff like that
If you're refering to following people home, no they don't do that.
But you'll see police in the general area of the bar all the time. It's the best place to catch drunk drivers before they do any harm. You'll definately see them around last call as well.
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now i'll give you another good cop story....was 2 years ago...browns steelers game....some steelers fan is walking with a white trash bag full of cans of beer...and an open one in his hand....cleveland cop says, "you don't come into our town....dressed like that, drinking in public" then he made the dude dump all his beer....classic...
Ha! That's awesome. 
Speaking of cops being jerks....I do have one more....except it's about my father-in-law, who's a retired cop. (Hope my wife doesn't walk in when I type this  )
He told me a story a couple times of him sitting in his cruiser at a red light, when he saw this good looking woman on the side of the road. He started staring at her, when all of a sudden he felt a thud. Here his car coasted into the car in front of him, rear ending it. He said nothing major, but just caused some minor damage.
Well the car was being driven by some little old lady. When another squad car came and they started filling out the paperwork, he told the old lady her car drifted backwards into his car.  And she bought it. So she got cited for the accident, and my father-in-law got out of it.
The sad part is that he laughs everytime he tells it, and I just think about this poor old lady that had to probably go to court over it. 
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That's messed up to take advantage of an elderly lady like that. 
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The police are regularly out of control and abusing powers.
I'll ask again:
How so??
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I'll ask again:
How so??
Well, I do have some stories, not from personal experience but Athens police are generally the scum of the earth, and it goes beyond "underage drinking."
Example: At 5fest in May, it was like a herd of cattle trying to get on the bus, they told everyone to stand back, and the people in the front of the line were trying to but everyone in the back was pushing...so the people in the front got tasered and arrested. This happened more than once. I saw someone right next to me get tasered, then I looked at the girl I'm talking to (or "courting" as the older generation likes to call it) and said "Let's just walk."
Don't even get me into how they try to pick up girls, they try to manipulate it so girls "do things" for them.
Plus, men get sent to Nelsonville even if the Athens jails are empty, while the women go to Athens.
Just the general abuse of power I see, they seem more interested in busting underage drinkers than actually helping people. When I needed a cop he was NO help to me...this was during the roommate situation, we honestly felt our lives were being threatened and he basically didn't even bother to help us.
Does this represent cops in general? HELL NO. Some of my friends parents are cops or are retired cops and they're some great people. Hell, I remember wanting to be a cop when I was 5.
But Athens police? Worthless. I'd say it to their face but I'd get tasered and they'd find some reason to lock me up.
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that's kinda creepy
my girlfriend is a police dispatcher, i'll ask her if she's ever heard anything like that, i would bet everything i have that her department doesn't do stuff like that
If you're refering to following people home, no they don't do that.
But you'll see police in the general area of the bar all the time. It's the best place to catch drunk drivers before they do any harm. You'll definately see them around last call as well.
no, i'm talking about keeping a list of what cars are at a bar or restaurant daily
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OK so someone blows a .09.... They are really completely capable of driving. They don't get an accident. They get cherry picked by a cop late at night. Who is the victim here?
It's just gone to extremes.
They have a "field sobriety test" that they can give you. And often they do. They do it in front of "their little camera" in their car. That way you've "given them evidence to convict you" IF you ARE drunk!
If you aren't? If you pass that test? Guess what? They'll STILL give you a breathelisor test. But why? If you were not impaired enough to fail the field sobriety test, why should they nit pick?
You see, you're either impaired to the point that it has a big impact on your motor skills, or it doesn't. If it does, you will fail the field sobriety test.
But of course they don't really care if you're drunk or not. If that was their concern, passing the field sobriety test would be quite sufficiant. But it's about $$$$$$$. And LOTS of it!
So I'm against "drunk driving". But not some racket that has been insituted that designates anybody who has had three beers is guilty. Alcohol tollerance varies from person to person. So a "standard" in regards to blood levels is a foolish idea.
The field sobriety test is fair, but not profitable enough. So they turned it into a "legalized racket".
Common sense is thrown out the window when big $$$$ dictates policy IMO
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Sorry, Pit, but I know of MANY times that someone has been pulled over, given the field tests, and let go with nothing further happening. What you left out in the field test is the eye test (can't spell it and not going to). You may pass the field tests and still fail that. That test is foolproof.
My brother is a Police Chief and I have heard many MANY instances where a driver was tested in the field and then on their way because they passed.
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Common sense is thrown out the window when big $$$$ dictates policy IMO
And popular opinion......but I agree and have said so for a long time.
Cruising bar parking lots has been a ploy for a long time....in the old days cops would chalk your tires....illegal, but hey, proving it is another thing.
That way they could sit a few blocks down....see a car with chalk on the sidewalls, you had a car to follow.
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Sorry, Pit, but I know of MANY times that someone has been pulled over, given the field tests, and let go with nothing further happening. What you left out in the field test is the eye test (can't spell it and not going to).
No, it's not just an "eye test". It a "coordination test". How can it be an "eye test" when you have to...............
1. Say your ABC's backwards.
2. Walk toe to toe
3. CLOSE YOUR EYES and touch your nose with your index finger tips.
None of these have anything to do with your "eyes".
And yes, there are "some cops" who feel a "double testing" is unfair. And if you pass the field test, they "can" let you go.
But that varies a LOT from municipality to municipality and each individual cop. So you are saying that "Justice" is the luck of the draw? Sure sounds like it.
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Sigh, please read what is typed, Pit. There is a specific test names horizontal ngytmus test (not sure of the spelling that's why I didn't use it), that uses light and the path of they eye while moving from one side to the other. It is foolproof for detecting sobriety. THAT is the test I am referring to that cannot be detected on the video.
What I'm saying is that you may not pass THAT test, but pass the others and THAT is why further testing is done. You simply don't know and so you make the leap to it being all about the money.
Am I saying EVERY cop is good and doing things correctly? Nope, because law enforcement officers mirror society and there is bad in ALL WALKS of society. It's when you make claims like you did implying things are standard procedure when it's not that is what I take issue with.
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And it is "standard procedure" in some municipalities. It varies. I have friends who are and were cops. So I know how this thing works too. And I would say Peen has a pretty good idea of how it works too............
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I know Peen knows how it works and I don't see him claiming it as "standard procedure" for an entire department as you just did. Sorry, I don't believe it.
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So because it doesn't happen "in your relatives police force". It doesn't happen anywhere.
I see................................
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Yeah, that's what I said.  I said I don't believe your accusation that it is "standard procedure" for an entire police force to take every person in that passes all the field tests. I guess if it is a one officer town you could be right. Other than that, I don't believe it.
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I know Peen knows how it works and I don't see him claiming it as "standard procedure" for an entire department as you just did. Sorry, I don't believe it.
Some of both, but it isn't some sinister problem all over the place.
But DUI has become a moneymaker.
Over the 4th of July holiday I was reading some statistics from a check point we had set up here in town.
Over 2000 cars were stopped at this one location, so it had to be in operation for over several hours. In that time, 2 DUI arrests, 1 suspended license arrest, and 1 for some other warrant arrest were made.
It makes me think the man power would be better served in other areas. For that many stops, you probably had to allocate 7-8 city officers and 1 Highway Patrol officer....for 4 arrests......2 for the purpose for which the check-point was set up......I know, they call them safety checkpoints now, but lets be real.
But as far as what Pit said.....I do agree that many smaller towns spend way to much effort to nail some driver who may be legally drunk but doesn't pose much real threat. Most people at or around .08 may be a bit tipsy, but aren't going to be your classic weavers on the road posing any real risk of plowing in to a school bus or something.....most of those people are up in the .12 or higher range.
But......08 is the point where just a few beers more can make it spike quickly, so I understand the level at which it;s set...people get drunk gradually, then get smashed quickly if that makes any sense.
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I don't disagree with what you said, it's stating that it is "standard procedure" and the generality that Pit used to imply it happens everywhere that I took issue with.
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