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All's im saying is ADD up what you pay ...and then what they would have to pay out, not trying to put you down or anytrhing.
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All's im saying is ADD up what you pay ...and then what they would have to pay out, not trying to put you down or anytrhing.
i pay $550 a year...i'm completely fine with that
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All's im saying is ADD up what you pay ...and then what they would have to pay out, not trying to put you down or anytrhing.
1500 a year over 20 years is $30K
you could easily cause that damage in one accident
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No, Michelle, others did. I didn't see the need to repost them just so my name would be attached to it 
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All's im saying is ADD up what you pay ...and then what they would have to pay out, not trying to put you down or anytrhing.
i pay $550 a year...i'm completely fine with that
Try paying over $2800 per year. Me, wife, and 20 yr. old son - that's just car insurance.
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I see what you are saying...Guess ive had one to many beer's.  I will talk latter tommarrow on this. 
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I see what you are saying...Guess ive had one to many beer's. I will talk latter tommarrow on this.
Your spelling is much more creative when you've been drinking...
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I know the statistics...that wasn't really my point. But, since you felt the need to post those, how many of the 17k+ involved in alcohol related fatalities were under .08, I wonder? I also wonder how many of those drinking were at fault. What if I've been at the game, had five or six beers, drive home and you fall asleep at the wheel and crash in to me? Does that count as alcohol related?
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Holy cow, this thread is outta control...... was gone for a few hours and there were over 60 replies.
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What if I've been at the game, had five or six beers, drive home and you fall asleep at the wheel and crash in to me? Does that count as alcohol related?
Of course it does... because I would have been drinking at the game too. 
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DUI is nothing but a money maker. If they really cared about stopping DUI's in this country they would make the punishment much more harsh. I say anything over .12 is an automatic 30 day jail sentence. Would it ruin some people's lives? yep... The story would get out quick and people would soon change their ways. That's jmo though...
So, the guy/gal that gets busted at .13, for example, should be able o have their lives ruined, but I'm not allowed to shoot someone that breaks into my house? And if I do and don't kill them, I can be held reponsible?
Thank goodness the castle law doctine will be enacted soon in Ohio.
Sorry, but my grandpa was killed by a drunk driver. I have -actually HAD, 2 friends that were killed by a drunk driver - in Kansas - I've seen it, felt it, and yes, I have a dui conviction myself.
There's a difference - people that cause an accident need to be punished. People that disobey the alcohol limit need to be punished - but ruin their lives? Sorry, if an accident doesn't happen, I don't see the point in ruining someones life. Punish them, yes.
You may see it differently, and if so, fine. But if you do, be prepared to have your life ruined because you were speeding and an accident happened, or because you were on a cell phone and an accident happened.
Am I crazy? No, it already has come to that. Plus, studies have shown that talking on a cell phone while driving impairs a driver just as much as driving with a .08 or higher BAC - wonder what people will say about putting cell phone users in jail and ruining their lives. Are you for that, if they haven't caused an accident?
It doesn't have to ruin your life. You can just not drink and drive... All I'm saying is that if they want to actually stop it, that's how they could do it. If they just want to make money, keep the status quo.
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Why should you, or anyone, be allowed to risk peoples' lives just so you can drive around drunk?
You could just leave the drunk part out. You risk your life when you leave your house and get into your car and drive where ever it is you are going.
Again, you folks act like getting into a vehicle after having 4 or 5 beers means that you are some kind of tornado flying down the highway without any ability to drive a car. Its not like that.
I don't think most people here are referring to a couple drinks after work or something, they are referring to stumbling, can't see straight drunk.
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Again, you folks act like getting into a vehicle after having 4 or 5 beers means that you are some kind of tornado flying down the highway without any ability to drive a car. Its not like that.
There are a bunch of people on here who are perfectly willing to discuss whether .08 is too high or too low if that is what you want to discuss. I believe it was Peen who accurately stated that most of us don't really know what .08 feels like and we don't know if we get there after 1 drink or 2 or 3.... so if you want to discuss the legal limit, then lets do that. If you want to make blanket statements such as, it shouldn't matter to the law how drunk you are as long as you arrive at your destination without killing somebody, then that is something completely different and I would fully expect a comment like that to get ridiculed. Obviously there is a point at which alcohol impairs your judgement, your reflexes, your hand-eye coordination to a point where you should not drive a car because you become a serious threat to others so if you want to discuss where that point is, go for it. If you want to say that point does not exist... then I guess I'm out of this because you are being totally irrational.
I personally believe that the limit should be much lower than .08, something like .00, for younger drivers (regardless of the fact that the drinking age is 21) because younger drivers tend to drive faster anyway, they tend to want to show off for their friends, they have less driving experience and they tend to get in far more accidents even when they are sober... now you take a person who is older with more driving experience and more of an aversion to risk and they are more likely to recognize that they've had a few drinks and should probably slow down a bit and be more careful, most of them are probably fine at or a little above .08.. unfortunately our laws don't really work that way and most of the subjectivity is removed from them... because it is too hard to enforce otherwise.
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Tyler, if they didn't make the laws tougher on drunk drivers, then their would be increased repeat offenders. My bet is if at 2 PM on a thursday if I mowed over Lil Johnny in the crosswalk going 50 mph while SOBER, I'm a reckless person who's taken a life. If you do the same scenario and I'm loaded, it's not the same thing. A drunk in his house at 2 PM is only poisoning himself. Once he goes out drunk to score some more Natty Light, he is now putting the general public at a higher risk because of his state of impairment. Driving fast is one thing. Driving recklessly and fast is worse. Driving fast, recklessly, and drunk is a total complete disregard for everyone in your path. Lil Johnny is dead all the same, but presumably if the person wasn't drunk in that scenario, they could have reacted properly to stop an accident from occuring.
In a sober mind you have a shot at avoiding disaster, even when driving recklessly. Drunk, it's pretty much not a choice.
Look, I get that you're in college and in general no college male is going to say "I'm too drunk to drive, I'm grabbing a cab," but your line of thinking is synced up with a lot of people who are in DUI accidents. Driving after four or five beers, unless you're the size of Orlando Pace, does result in impairment that can cause death. PERIOD. Just because it doesn't happen doesn't mean it can't happen. Spend 5 mins in an AA meeting and you'll meet a lot of people who were only caught once.
I'm pretty sure even in this thread is speaking from a place of experience with doing stupid stuff, and I'm guessing some are wishing they wouldn't have done what they did. I'm pretty sure NO ONE here wants to see you get in an accident that takes a life, but you're taking it like we're preaching to you. Again, coming from someone that had a friend ruin two family's lives, let me tell you that it only takes a split second to change a life.
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Depends on how long it took you to drink those 4 or 5 beers. 
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I personally believe that the limit should be much lower than .08, something like .00, for younger drivers
For under 21 in Ohio there is no level, any amount you can be cited for DUI.
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Driving fast is one thing. Driving recklessly and fast is worse. Driving fast, recklessly, and drunk is a total complete disregard for everyone in your path. Lil Johnny is dead all the same, but presumably if the person wasn't drunk in that scenario, they could have reacted properly to stop an accident from occuring.
Presumably if a person wasn't drunk, they wouldn't put themselves in that position in the first place. By your post, I assume you feel that driving fast and reckless is NOT a complete disregard for others around you? Being drunk (and I know we haven't really defined that yet) is about more than physical reflexes, it's about judgment. And if you think your judgment isn't impaired after drinking, then explain some of the women I've found sexually attractive at 1:30 am...
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Yes, it does add to the debate. You don't know how the test works or what studies have been done to show why it works. Hence, you are ignorant on the subject. That isn't an insult, it's terminology. Don't blame me you don't want to know what's going on.
Prove it's a money making racket. I am supporting taking studies into account that shows the amount of impairment and then making the law in correlation to that. Why do you have a problem with keeping innocent people safe from other people's poor judgement? You can say all you want about how you can handle your liquor, but that doesn't mean you are right or that the science backs it up. I am basing my opinion on studies done on impairment. You are basing yours on your opinion that you can handle more than the law allows.
While you dismiss studies on global warming? I guess "studies" are only believed by you when they fit your agenda.
I DO know about the eye test and the studies behind them. And to some extent, they are about as conclusive as global warming. If you take a good shot to the head in a football game, I guess you shouldn't drive. Because according to your "theory" they too would fail an "eye test". There are MANY factors other than alcohol that can cause the very same results.
Pretty simple really.
When did the "studies" dictate it should go from .10 to .08?
They didn't. No, you are mistaken. Sometimes they don't even GIVE YOU a "field sobriety test". They just make you do the breath test.
I am fully aware of the eye test and what you are referring to. But why then do they keep lowering the blood standards? It's to create a situation where they can "call" more drivers "legaly impaired".
Can you show any "proof" why the standards were lowered? It's called MADD. Political pressure and money.
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LOL, keep comparing apples to oranges, Pit. You always do. A concussion does NOT cause the same effect on the eyes. A player is checked for a concussion by seeing if the PUPILS DIALATE, not the tracking of their motion. Yeah, you know quite a bit about the test. As for WHY the levels are lowered, it's really pretty simple. http://www.lmu.edu/Page25066.aspxAnd it works: http://ideas.repec.org/p/bar/bedcje/2007173.htmlAt .08, according to this article, you are "significantly impaired". You see, I base my opinions on facts. You just throw things out there you believe and want people to take them as fact. All this coming from the guy that's always claiming such concern for others.
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Keep saying "nuh uh" without anything to back it up, Tyler. It's all you have ever done in any of these discussions.
Here ya go Coach. Pa Browns fan posted it.................
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At the .02 blood alcohol concentration level, experiments have demostrated that people exhibit some loss of judgment, begin to relax and feel good. But tests have also shown that drivers at the .02 level experience a decline in visual functions, affecting their ability to track a moving object, and experience a decline in the ability to perform two tasks at the same time.
So according to your "theory" Coach, .02 would cause you a problem with your "eye test".
So yes, a beer, not "really impaired" at ALL to any degree, ( FAR below legal standards ) would cause you a problem. Not a money pit?
I disagree.
If not, why don't YOU show us these "studies" you keep rambling on about?
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Why don't you read instead of just denying the studies. Show studies that say that .08 doesn't impair a person. Don't just say it doesn't and throw out your little . Those aren't any proof of anything than your desiere to dismiss facts that refute your erroneous and misguided opinions.
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Well at least you posted them.......finaly. Thanks! But as shown by Pa Browns fan, it would only take "one beer" to have a problem with the eye test.
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LOL, you really do need to know what you are talking about. There is a formula with the test to determine the amount of impairment. Stop posting your little and actually research something. You won't because it goes against your opinion.
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Let's try this again. Don't you do the very same thing with studies on global warming? Pot meet kettle.
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Like I said, keep comparing apples to oranges. There is controversy over whether or not global warming is even occuring. Ther is NO controversy over whether drinking causes "impairment" in the ability to drive. Keep trying your same lame tactic, though Pit. You never have made a lucid, legitmate arguement. Now, "let's try this again". Please provide ONE STUDY that refutes that consuming alcohol doesn't affect an ability to drive. You have had each of your points refuted so you fall back on something that is totally different and pretend it is a valid arguement. Same Pit, different subject.
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Let me ask you something Coach. Lets say a 30 year old guy has four drinks and is driving with a BAC of .05 is he more dangerous than a 75 year old man or woman driving who has had nothing to drink?
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Hey, I'd rather be out on a limb and taking a stand than just towing the line. I'm not sure I said anything in there that was all that "crazy" but I guess not wanting to see someone be in a drunk driving accident must be lunacy!
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Good question. I don't know the answer to that. All I can tell you is that someone with a .05 has some impairment in his ability to drive. I haven't researched the impairment of aging on a 75 year old.
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Let me ask you something Coach. Lets say a 30 year old guy has four drinks and is driving with a BAC of .05 is he more dangerous than a 75 year old man or woman driving who has had nothing to drink?
Yes.
It's far too subjective to try to determine based simply on age.
My grandmother drove just fine until the age of 95 or 96... the last two years she started driving by sound a little and now she doesn't drive, but that is just a recent development. At 75 though, I have zero doubt that she was just as solid and safe as any 30 yr old.
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Let me ask you something Coach. Lets say a 30 year old guy has four drinks and is driving with a BAC of .05 is he more dangerous than a 75 year old man or woman driving who has had nothing to drink?
Safety at all costs! Even if not a lick of common sense is used.
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Let me ask you something Coach. Lets say a 30 year old guy has four drinks and is driving with a BAC of .05 is he more dangerous than a 75 year old man or woman driving who has had nothing to drink?
Depends on the 75 year old, and I think after age 70 you should be required to go in for a basic driving test every 2 years. Living in Florida, I have seen my share of elderly folks that can barely see 3' in front of them and can barely walk get behind the wheel of a giant automobile. And I've had several near misses with some as well.
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But her reflexes were slower at 75 than a younger persons were. Wouldn't that have made her a more dangerous driver than a young person. Wouldn't her reflexes be impaired compared to a younger persons?
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You say that as if it is guaranteed fact... do me a favor, roll the clock back twenty years and we'll test it out.
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Oh, many people do fine well into their 80's. But like you, I've seen some scary older folks getting their renewed licenses and on the road.
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Let me ask you something Coach. Lets say a 30 year old guy has four drinks and is driving with a BAC of .05 is he more dangerous than a 75 year old man or woman driving who has had nothing to drink?
Safety at all costs! Even if not a lick of common sense is used.
MADD won't be happy until it's a big fat zero. It's the only thing that justifies their much loved political existence. It's a shame when people who are initially involved in a cause let the power and control take over. Unfortunately, it appears to be human nature.
What I have read a lot of in this thread is some posters trying to prove that a persons reflexes, and other things might be impared. Whats the difference if they are a little impaired, yet still better than many, many of the other drivers who are on the roads?
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