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Change the name Brady Quinn to Charlie Frye and your post for the same game would say the exact opposite. You say he threw a foot behind the WR, he has a noodle arm. he is afraid to go downfield because his arm is so weak. But since its not Frye you feel its OK to gush over the same type of game by BQ. Thats why you have absolutly no credibilty with me. Maybe later when you get some"" Life Exsperience " you won't be so Star Struck.
Who was open to throw deep to?
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In addition to what you clearly pointed out about the line in front of him; you could see that BQ was taking what was given, the slants.
It is difficult to judge what he really can do until - he is in real games and working with our first teams and against the oppositions first team.
In the limited time we been able to watch BQ he has shown he is capable of running the team. He has looked comfortable and has shown pocket presence and awareness.
He threw the deep ball well at ND. DA has the ability to put the "deep out pattern" on a rope. No doubt he has a cannon. However, I have seen no indication that BQ can not make the throws necessary to lead a team.
Jeff Garcia who has to put all he's got into a 30 yard pass has been to Pro Bowls.
However this all unfolds time will tell. DA could be the real deal but that does not mean that BQ is any less capable. We are in a good place having BQ where is is now. When "the decision" is made we should have all the factors covered to make the right decision.
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Why would I worry if a Browns QB throws for damn near 4000 yards, 30 TD's and makes the Pro Bowl? PLEASE explain your backasswards logic.
Because he also threw 19 interceptions, some at very inopportune times which led to us losing games and could have kept us out of the playoffs? just a thought....
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Why would I worry if a Browns QB throws for damn near 4000 yards, 30 TD's and makes the Pro Bowl? PLEASE explain your backasswards logic.
Because he also threw 19 interceptions, some at very inopportune times which led to us losing games and could have kept us out of the playoffs? just a thought....
No, he was implying that I want Anderson to do poorly cuz he thinks I want to see Quinn in more than I want to see the Browns win. He thought I was a Quinn coddler (which is surprising considering how much I've been honking DA the past 5 months) who wants to see DA fail.
Which couldn't be farther from the truth. If Anderson makes the Pro Bowl again and Quinn is traded, my Quinn jersey goes into the drawers forever and I'll have an Anderson jersey faster than you can blink.
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Just heard Tony Grossi’s recorded Chat.
We should just release Quinn. We don’t need him. We are in super situation with whomever we have. Just get rid of him so we can move on and there will be zero discussion around this topic.
 
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U mean U listened to Gross-me-out's throw up chat?
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I wasn't ...... gonna .... do ... it ........ But ........ last year, Grossi was all over Quinn's jock, and talking down Anderson. He did so in the off-season as well. Many applauded Grossi for his "frankness" and "refusal to be a team shill". Wow how quickly times change.  
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Well, I'm glad I wasn't one of those people.
For whatever reason, Grossi rubs me the wrong way. It started especially when he was all over the Winslow contract situation that wasn't a situation at all. It's like he's trying his best to get a job at FoxNews or with Nancy Grace and their sensationalism crap.
I can't stand when the media blows things out of proportion or "invents" stories, and it really seems that he leads the charge a lot, from Winslow, to bashing DA, etc.
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Grossi has done, and has said that he will continue to do one thing that will forever earn him some respect as far as I'm concerned ...... and that's fighting fArt Modell's possible induction into the Hall of Fame. He has been an outstanding advocate for the Cleveland fans in that particular matter.
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And I have no problem with that. But I do have a problem with the other crap I mentioned.
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Whateva, Gossi was one of the biggest JIM TRESSEL should replace RAC blowhards ...dude thinks he knows how to run the team..
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Its more then 30-40 minutes since I listened to Gross-me-out's throw up chat. I feel much better now.  What a piece of crap he is. He pretends like he knows everything inside out.
He went to far protecting DA’s touchdown throw to BE and bashed Quinn for throwing check downs. It seems he is bothered by Quinn’s play in Practice too. He thinks Dorsey’s doing good job throwing deep passes.
If you ask him. DA is second coming of Brett Favre.
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Actually, Attack, he reported that Tressel was HIRED and WAS replacing RAC as coach of the Cleveland Browns. Not "should" but HAD BEEN. He's a hack. He may be right about one thing (keeping Modell out of the HOF), but he still is as bad as Roger Brown in his columns.
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Browns is the Browns
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Grossi is a bag of wind...
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To try and bring this thread back to football.
I do think Quinn throws many more outlet passes but without the coaches tape of the whole field we don't know if there are throws out there to make.
One thing about throwing (and completing!) outlet passes is that it keeps drives going. When Quinn is in I feel like we march down the field instead of hitting some quick hitters and big gaines. I also feel like we score an awful lot of the time when Quinn plays so I thought I'd check it myself:
Detroit preseason 2007
Drive 1 - TD
Drive 2 - TD
Denver preseason 2007
Drive 1 - FG Missed 46yds
Drive 2 - TD
Drive 3 - Punt
Drive 4 - Punt
Chicago preseason 2007
Drive 1 - Punt
Drive 2 - TD
Drive 3 - INT
Drive 4 - Punt
San Francisco regular season 2007
Drive 1 - FG
New York Jets preseason 2008
Drive 1 - INT
Drive 2 - TD
Drive 3 - Punt
Drive 4 - FG
So for those scoring at home Cleveland scores points half the time on drives when Quinn is at QB. 7 of 15 Drives with 5 TDs for a total of 41 points!
How many drives in the typical game? Between 10 and 12 usually.
41 points in about 5 quarters worth of football is pretty good IMO.
Take this for what it's worth as it's a limited sample size, playing with backups against backups for the most part but I thought it was interesting.
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It doesn't matter what you say Heldawg,, you won't change perception around here.. Good effort! 
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You are one of my favorite posters on here, but I think what you laid out means absolutely nothing.
The only way we'll get a true measure of Quinn the QB is to see him start several regular season games and then analyze them. And I don't think we are going to get a chance to do that.
I'm curious if Quinn has some of that 'gamer' in him I keep reading about - that type of player that elevates his game in real live action that counts. We'll just never know until we get to see him in that situation.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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A head scatcher response. I have no idea what you are trying to say.
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But maybe they think DA could be a top 5 guy, and this is his audition.
And I said, if they are wiling to trade a Top 5 QB (which would be why he's audtioning I assume) it's insane!
Did that help?
You misread that then.
He was saying if he was a top 5 QB, this is his chance to prove it...not that this is his chance to showcase for a trade.
Thanks for stepping in there. I just couldn't bring myself to do it.
Daman, you must be pulling our legs that you own and operate your own business.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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We'll just never know until we get to see him in that situation.
And like you said, we probably never will until he is playing for some NFC team.
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You are one of my favorite posters on here, but I think what you laid out means absolutely nothing.
Thanks and I agree. I just had a feeling that we score an awful lot when Quinn is in regardless of how much he stretches the field. I checked and yes we do. Then I just copied it and put it out there.
What's wrong with some meaningless statistics every once in a while!
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But maybe they think DA could be a top 5 guy, and this is his audition.
What's wrong with you Rish,,, what does the above statement mean to you?
To me it meant that he is audtioning for a job with a club we would trade him too.., He certainly can't be auditioning for the Browns.. he's got the freakin job.
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He wrote what he meant. I understood it the first time I read it. I also understood it the 2nd and 3rd times I read it. I really don't see what is so hard to understand. If you had read the entire post I'm guessing you'd have understood it, too. Perhaps you'd have understood it if he'd put a behind it? 
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OK,, so he was joking.. I get it now... Geez.. 
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Kinda like if you are gonna be a drunk, be the best drunk you can be! Lousy joke, old, and AA aside, it applies here to what I think. even if he is a D&D tosser, be good enough, and be awfully freekin' good at it and score TDs. One thing must be different is getting Dawson less werk by scoring more TDs. But it seems odd that the bulk of his work is that radically different from DA sets. Hope this is not yet another case of 'arrested development' with BQ. Just going to go finish my Subway now, and wash it down with a mighty weightlifting training beverage. Good luck to all Browns! And put your shoes on . . . . Duh!
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We'll just never know until we get to see him in that situation.
And like you said, we probably never will until he is playing for some NFC team.
I think we would live to regret it if we let him go without giving him a chance at some real game action. As Coach Jimmy Johnson said, "The greatest impediment to being great, is being good." Last year we were good, this year we should be good... so is being good going to prevent us from pulling the trigger on something that could make us great? I don't know. I'm not sure Anderson can't make us great.... I'm not sure Quinn would make us great... I'm not sure Quinn would make us any better than we are with Anderson... Last year at this time I didn't even think Anderson could make us good....
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Opinion: Not giving BQ. a chance to compete is a mistake.. They made the it clear that they do not want a QB. problem in Cleveland , at any cost ! .. We shall see how it plays out . Savage and RAC have made a believer out of me , but I am not sure about this move...
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I just think Phil is taking the Philip Rivers/Drew Brees approach. Highlight your starter build him up do everything u can to help him succede while you prepare the young QB.
Trade DA before the draft and you dont pay his big bonus money. Also last years draft class was a very week class everywhere but RB and OT. This years class appears to be loaded at LB, corner and safety.
I dont see Brady quinn having enough trade value to go anywhere especially before Phil gets to see what he has in the kid that he gave up a 1st and 2nd for.
I like both QBs and think we can win with either guy. If that is how Savage sees it as well he is more likely to move the guy with the value.
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I just think Phil is taking the Philip Rivers/Drew Brees approach. Highlight your starter build him up do everything u can to help him succede while you prepare the young QB.
Trade DA before the draft and you dont pay his big bonus money. Also last years draft class was a very week class everywhere but RB and OT. This years class appears to be loaded at LB, corner and safety.
I dont see Brady quinn having enough trade value to go anywhere especially before Phil gets to see what he has in the kid that he gave up a 1st and 2nd for.
I like both QBs and think we can win with either guy. If that is how Savage sees it as well he is more likely to move the guy with the value.
Click , thats kinda how I see it ; but both QB's will still under contract next season , NO ???? We don't " HAVE " to do a thing next season ??
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That's been my thinking all along. Build DA up, bring Quinn along. You'll get one helluva trade and keep a fine QB. win/win Does that make me a hater? 
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That's been my thinking all along. Build DA up, bring Quinn along.
You'll get one helluva trade and keep a fine QB.
win/win
Does that make me a hater?
Hater???...NO...
Perfect scenario???...YES...
BUT...
What if Anderson stops doing the BS things we all go WTF R U DOING...
What if we win the division with this schedule???...And if we do make the playoffs with this schedule...We can beat ANYONE in said playoffs...
What do we do then???...Trade a QB that had a great year and team success just to get a 1st or 2nd rounder???
I don't know WTF 2 do right now... 
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Assuming Quinn is the better QB..sure..But we have NO ASSURANCE of that..
What did the Chargers get in exchange for Brees again? Hmmmm let me think. Never mind
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What if Anderson stops doing the BS things we all go WTF R U DOING...
What if we win the division with this schedule???...And if we do make the playoffs with this schedule...We can beat ANYONE in said playoffs...
What do we do then???...
I will say this for the umpteenth time.. (and my feelings on the QB situation are similar to Pits) but in the scenario you posed above, the decision gets easier... the scenario that scares me is DA has a decent year, we miss the playoffs by a game or 2, DA continues to do some of the "WTF things" he did last year, and Quinn never gets to see the field.. then we go into next offseason with the same questions as this offseason and nothing, in my mind anyway, has been resolved.
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What if Anderson stops doing the BS things we all go WTF R U DOING...
What if we win the division with this schedule???...And if we do make the playoffs with this schedule...We can beat ANYONE in said playoffs...
What do we do then???...
I will say this for the umpteenth time.. (and my feelings on the QB situation are similar to Pits) but in the scenario you posed above, the decision gets easier... the scenario that scares me is DA has a decent year, we miss the playoffs by a game or 2, DA continues to do some of the "WTF things" he did last year, and Quinn never gets to see the field.. then we go into next offseason with the same questions as this offseason and nothing, in my mind anyway, has been resolved.
Mine too.
Worst thing that can happen is DA plays well enough to stay off the bench, but not well enough to fix his ills.
We won't make the playoffs against this schedule like that.
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I look it this way,if Anderson has a successful season and improves, I wouldn't do anything..
Uh...thats if he does..
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Assuming Quinn is the better QB..sure..But we have NO ASSURANCE of that..
What did the Chargers get in exchange for Brees again? Hmmmm let me think. Never mind
You are right. We don't "know". But every FO has a "strategy". A game plan. Goals.
And the improvement of DA or the lack there of, combined with Quinn's progress will be the deciding factors. But after watching him in his limited play, it seems he is quite capable of moving the ball, scoring and fine pocket presence. So in that regard, we don't know if he's "not ready NOW".
But in the NFC North, I think we can see that even a Carson Palmer doesn't help "that much". With weather, a "control style, short passing offense" in general, makes far more sense over the length of the season.
A QB who is more nimble and having the ability to scramble (when needed) and not just "straight ahead" is a positive.
So there are many variables to the scenario. And I believe this season will go a LONG way in answerring many of those questions.
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So there are many variables to the scenario.
Here is a question I have been wondering about. Is the success/failure of Aaron Rodgers one of those variables?
If Rodgers has a great year is Quinn more likely to willingly and gracefully sit another year? If Rodgers stinks it up does that confirm to Quinn that he needs on the field experience? Is it just not related at all?
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