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Agreed, that pass might have been the defining factor as well..

.." Who does Sowells have incriminating pictures of ? "

... That is the opinion of many on the board

just clicking ...

Savage's presser is up on the main site.

I found it interesting that he never mentioned Wilson's name when asked about the third WR position until someone asked a question where he had no choice but to address him. Then his response was he 'felt Wilson had ample opportunity ... it didn't turn out for him the he wanted or we wanted' ... I felt the tone was strange ... like the relationship was strained.

Just an observation.

Here is a question. Who gets cut when we bring in a new DB?

Dinkins.

the surprise to me was Hubbard making the team.

It was no surprise to me. Hubbard from that one catch was going to make the team because he would have been picked up by another team.

Too much raw talent to work with.

Wilson.....you have to catch the ball......

His hands were sooo stiff. Even on catches he often double clutched because the ball would not sit in his hands. I also think Wilson has spun himself into the ground mentally, worried every time a ball is heading his way.

I would have bet $100 that Wilson would not make this team...even after all the preseason pub.

The biggest surprise to me was Sowells over James Lee. What are we waiting to see from Issac? He's not good and it's been years of working with him. Lee made his share of mistakes this preseason but he also flashed some skills.

If I want a guy to groom, who's going to be inactive anyway most of the time....it would have been Lee.

Surprise number 2 was Sanders. Scratching my head on that one. They must have felt that Hubbard can contribute (I don't think he can really right now) and wanted to keep a 4th TE.

Btw....my darkhorse to get cut was Hadnot....and he was cutnot. Oh well.

Then I misunderstood you.

I just think if you're keeping one extra WR, you'd keep Wilson. I can't see Hubbard doing much of anything this year. You can't stick Wilson on the PS, but you can stick Hubbard on there.

Sure, there's a chance he'll get signed away. But WRs are a dime a dozen. I just can't see how Hubbard is going to help our team this year.

Wilson doesn't impress me, and Hubbard definitely has a higher ceiling. He just hasn't moved much to get off the carpet yet.

I don't get down on Savage often but keeping Hubbard seems like a pure face saving move. People are talking about that one catch like it erases the 4 or 5 straight-up drops (two for TD's) and I gotta think that doesn't escape the coaching staff. He was saved from above.

Mark my words, Hubbard = heartbreak. You can't teach hands. Quincy Morgan would catch a great ball occasionally and then drop the game winner.

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Who does Sowells have incriminating pictures of?

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He certainly didn't look that good the other night against the Bears... He must have pictures of someone with farm animals.. that's my guess

I think when it came to Wilson and Hubbard, it came down to who will get open and make a play if one on one with a corner...

Hubbard was the choice..

Hubbard's hands are big and soft. They're kind of clumsy right now but that's different from Wilson's hands that were stiff.

I can see why Savage picked him. Put him in the #17 jersey and he looks the part.

He has at least a year though before he's ready to contribute though. His route running is awful. He doesn't know how to play the position.

But the talent is there and the hands are there. Just because we've seen drops doesn't mean that we will in 09, 10 and on.

I like this kid. Just unfortunate that we couldn't keep a guy who could contribute more in Sanders for this year.

Thems the breaks.

jc

yeah, also wondering why Sowells is still on the team...he got beaten badly play after play by Bears-cut DE Bazuin and didnt look much better in the other preseason games

Bennett, Sowells, Lawton, Steptoe and Dinkins or Heiden still cant feel secure...add Sorenson and Cousin to that list

Holy Cow!!!! I can't believe they waived Cieslak and kept Dinkins!!! JMHO Go Brownies!!!!

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I think Sowels Sucks !

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Maybe Phil can sucker the Vikes into a trade, since McKinney is suspended the first 4 games!!! hehehe Go Brownies!!!

I can't say I'm very excited about the way our WR corps has shaken out. Seems as if we'll be relying on K2 and Heiden as our pass catchers after Braylon and Donte. Cribbs, as much as I love him (heck, I wear his jersey on gameday), doesn't strike me as a true WR threat. I doubt Steptoe or Hubbard will even sniff the field this season.

As I said several times already. The Browns were not high on Purcell, or Pittman. No suprise here.

I think our 4th WR will see the field. I don't think Cribbs will lineup all too often at WR, but we'll see K2 lining up there. I think our guy behind Cribbs will get into the games on occasion. Probably won't do much, but I believe they'll see some PT.

Yeah, I know he is....not sure if I agree with it....

Either way, I don't think Cribbs will be out there every time we line up 3 WRs. Plus, his status is still up in the air next week.

nobody on this thread is mentioning special teams...its quite possible that alot of the last few spots were filled by gus that do well on them...

right now we have quite a few guys injured that are valuable to special teams...

HA!

Dinkins didn't get cut, take that you haters.

I'm glad Hall/Rubin made the team..I woulda kept Orr also..and Sowells is a waste of time..

Just a general reply:

Savage had said something along the lines of our 3rd WR last year only having 8 catches for the year .........

I think that we'll see Winslow as a 3rd WR on 3rd downs a LOT this year with Heiden playing the more traditional TE role. I could actually see this as the case in any poor down/distance situation. How much will the "#3" WR see the field? I would guess not a whole lot.

I'm glad Dinkins made it too. The guy is a good ST player, and a good blocker. He worked hard this year and earned his spot. Cieslak was good, but got injured and I think that hurt him.

As for the WRs, don't be surprised that when Rucker returns, he ends up being used in the slot. He was impressive in camp, and will be able to be used like K2.

I also see Steptoe seeing a lot of time in the slot. He seemed to know how to play the position. Plus, with him on the roster, they can use Cribbs more on offense and have him to fill in on returns. IMOI his versatility is going to be utilized.

Appreciate the descriptions. I understand what you are saying about Wilson. They used to say that when Brooks Robinson fielded a ball at 3rd base that you never heard the ball hit the mitt. This is something inate and can't be taught.

As for Hubbard, I get from you that he has good hands when his technique is good but that typically he doesn't have good technique and this can be taught therefore he could get better (much better) with some work.

If I paraphrased you accurately I'll agree with your conclusion (I take the premise as correct because I haven't really watched these guys and not sure I would be able to tell anyway). Seems to me that there are a lot of guys with great physical attributes who "only" need to work on technique to be good but very few actually do become good.

Few surprises on 53-man roster
Zac Jackson, Staff Writer
08.30.2008

For now, the Browns have the 53 players they'll be going forward with.

And now, of course, come the games that count.

The decisions weren't easy - and they certainly aren't final - but there were few surprises as the Browns announced their final preseason roster moves Saturday morning.

Among the players waived were wide receivers Travis Wilson, a 2006 third-round pick, and Cleveland native Steve Sanders. Young cornerbacks Jereme Perry and A.J. Davis were also waived, and veteran linebacker Shantee Orr was cut.

All five of the Browns' drafted rookies and undrafted rookie cornerback Gerard Lawson made the active roster and are slated to be on the practice field when the Browns return to work Sunday.

"I have some version of a working, 53-man roster pretty much year round," general manager Phil Savage said. "Performance, upside potential, future needs and of course injuries always play a factor. There could still be a tweak or two - there's always a little bit in flux, particularly on the back end of the roster."

Though Savage said he was deferring questions about the front end of the roster - specifically the Browns' injured starting skill players - to Romeo Crennel, he indicated that he expects Derek Anderson to be healthy and ready to start next Sunday's season opener against the Cowboys.

Savage said Rex Hadnot and Ryan Tucker may not be ready, which becomes an even bigger issue because the Browns placed Lennie Friedman on injured-reserve Saturday with a shoulder injury. Seth McKinney, who started the first eight games of last season at right guard, probably will return to that spot. First-year player Nathan Bennett, who was out of football last fall after being cut by the Carolina Panthers and signed with the Browns after a minicamp tryout in May, is on the roster and will probably figure behind McKinney on the initial depth chart.

Hadnot injured his knee in the preseason finale. Tucker has been working his way back from hip surgery in May.

"Tucker's (status) is up in the air, but we do feel like he'll be playing for us in the near future," Savage said. "Hadnot had a good camp, but he'll probably be down here at least for a short time.

"Bennett's fought hard and played pretty decently at right guard. We felt he was worthy of a spot."

Savage said Beau Bell could be back in action on a limited basis "in the next week or so," and Martin Rucker could be back on the field in 3-4 weeks. Both are recovering from knee surgeries.

Alex Hall was the rookie linebacker who emerged as one of the stories of camp, and it was no surprise that he earned a roster spot. His emergence led to the Browns releasing both Orr and David McMillan, moves that also could be a sign that Antwan Peek may be ready for next week as well. Peek's been out since having arthroscopic knee surgery July 31.

"Alex, for him to come in out of St. Augustine's College and actually play as much as he has, play both sides at linebacker and show some rush ability, he's come a long way in a short period of time," Savage said. "He's definitely shown he can compete at this level. He belongs."

Savage said receiver Syndric Steptoe "started, probably, near the bottom of the group of receivers. He probably is the guy who made the biggest jump as far not being on the original 53 -- in pencil -- back in the spring."

"He earned his way on. He's deserving."

Savage said the Browns will begin signing players to their practice squad Sunday.

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