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OH,,, OK,, that rumor.. I thought we had a solid offer of something... Thanks
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Is that Damien McIntosh chiefs?
I believe he was with us in 2004. Our OL was ravaged by injuries, so by the end of the year, he ended up playing by default. (If I remember correctly). Our OL was never good, so if he was 3rd string, the boy ain't good....
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Also, if you look when I posted that you will see it was before he fell apart.
The middle of last season?
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That's why Phil shot himself in the foot this past off season if he was offered a first !
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I really wish you guys would STOP implying he "made" it to the PB. He didn't. He lucked in because other guys didn't want to play. Remember how he looked in that game? Seem familiar?
Yeah, seems eerily familiar to what he did yesterday. 
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His value is about as low as it gets for a 25 year old QB coming off a pro bowl season.
I really wish you guys would STOP implying he "made" it to the PB. He didn't. He lucked in because other guys didn't want to play. Remember how he looked in that game? Seem familiar?
If you simply look at it that way, then Joe Thomas didn't make the Pro Bowl either. Obviously Thomas deserved to be there from the start, but Anderson had the 5th most TD passes in the NFL last year and was on one of the best offenses in the NFL. He hasn't done anything remotely close to that this year, but he deserved it last year.
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He hasn't done anything remotely close to that this year, but he deserved it last year.
No he didn't.
Tom Brady, 50 TDs, 8 Int, 117.18 QB rating.
Peyton Manning, 31 TDs, 14 Int, 98.03 QB rating.
Ben Roethlisberger, 32 TDs, 11 Int, 104.12 QB rating.
Derek Anderson, 29 TDs, 19 Int, 82.47 QB rating.
Carson Palmer, 26 TDs, 20 Int, 86.65 QB rating.
We could probably go on, but you only say that because the team won 10 games. If he hadn't screwed up, the team would have been in the playoffs.
Look at the games from last year and look at how many of them he was responsible for losing.
He had no business in the Pro Bowl but we were happy to have him there as we felt it validated our "success".
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He hasn't done anything remotely close to that this year, but he deserved it last year.
No he didn't.
Tom Brady, 50 TDs, 8 Int, 117.18 QB rating.
Peyton Manning, 31 TDs, 14 Int, 98.03 QB rating.
Ben Roethlisberger, 32 TDs, 11 Int, 104.12 QB rating.
Derek Anderson, 29 TDs, 19 Int, 82.47 QB rating.
Carson Palmer, 26 TDs, 20 Int, 86.65 QB rating.
We could probably go on, but you only say that because the team won 10 games. If he hadn't screwed up, the team would have been in the playoffs.
Look at the games from last year and look at how many of them he was responsible for losing.
He had no business in the Pro Bowl but we were happy to have him there as we felt it validated our "success".
If he hadn't played like he had, we wouldn't have been anywhere near the playoffs to start with. Obviously it was a total team effort, especially on offense, but the offense last year doesn't go without Anderson.
And by your own stats he deserved to be there. Brady didn't play because of injury, so Manning, Roethlisburger, and Anderson got the nod. Palmer deserved it less than Anderson.
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DA never makes it one game last year...if the much maligned BE doesnt make 3 circus catches against Cinci...last year was a year of awesome catch after awesome catch b/c DA cant put the ball on a guys number.
This year, teams arent gonna give the Browns the big plays, we are forced to go 15 plays to score...this requires touch, patience, precision....0-3 for DA.
Nope DA was good last year, middle of the road at his best, looked like a backup secon half of the season.....still does.
People can saywhat they want about his probowl perfrormance and how much it didnt matter...it didnt matter to anybody except Browns fans and DA...it showed everything thats wrong with him, and how pitiful the guy is....and how much he should not have even been sniffing that Hawaian turf.
Trade his butt for annything at this point..
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DA never makes it one game last year...if the much maligned BE doesnt make 3 circus catches against Cinci...last year was a year of awesome catch after awesome catch b/c DA cant put the ball on a guys number.
That is just not accurate at all. DA made a number of incredible accurate throws last year. He was a major reason we had a high powered offense.
Unfortunately, it looks like he has regressed ... with the weight of expectations on him.
But that's this year and not last. Your statement is just not true.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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If he hadn't played like he had, we wouldn't have been anywhere near the playoffs to start with. Obviously it was a total team effort, especially on offense, but the offense last year doesn't go without Anderson.
And by your own stats he deserved to be there. Brady didn't play because of injury, so Manning, Roethlisburger, and Anderson got the nod. Palmer deserved it less than Anderson.
Palmer deserved it less than Anderson? Why, because the other Browns players bailed him out? Palmer didn't have the talent around him than even Anderson did.
I think that the Browns would have done well with Quinn at the helm, even last year.
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The guy that got stiffed was David Garrard.
The dude had 3 INTs ALL SEASON! DA had 4 in the biggest game of the year!
DA had no business going to the probowl last year. I said it then and I'm saying it now.
Ugghhh.
Why does it seem like the life of a Browns fan is a stale, warm cup of misery with a dash of false optimism?
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That is just not accurate at all. DA made a number of incredible accurate throws last year. He was a major reason we had a high powered offense.
He made more horrific tosses than he made great ones, especially when it really counted.
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Unfortunately, it looks like he has regressed ... with the weight of expectations on him.
I don't think it's regression this year. I think he's being shown for what he really was.
We had a weak out-of-division schedule last year. You have to excuse the division schedule since it is the same every year. This was our schedule:
Oakland, Patriots, Dolphins, Rams, Seahawks, Texans, Cardinals, Jets, Bills and 49ers.
Teams with winning records the previous year: Patriots, Seahawks, Jets. The other 7 teams were sub-.500 teams.
He's garbage!
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To expand on that...
I feel like a guy who stands in line for 7 days at a time to have the opportunity to pay good money to get kicked in the junk and walk back to the end of the line for 7 more days to pass.
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There is a word for repeating the same procedure over and over and expecting a different outcome,at this moment that word escapes me.
I have been protesting piis-poor performance for 4 years.I donot purchase,nor do I accept Browns merchandise.I receive free passes to TC,but my boy gets a chance to hog down free ice cream and soda,I come out ahead.I am given free tickets to 1 preseason game a year.Parking is free and I buy 1 beer,1 soda,1 popcorn.Roughly 18 bucks per year.
Frankly,I believe I'm being overcharged for the crap they've been putting on the field.
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If he hadn't played like he had, we wouldn't have been anywhere near the playoffs to start with. Obviously it was a total team effort, especially on offense, but the offense last year doesn't go without Anderson.
And by your own stats he deserved to be there. Brady didn't play because of injury, so Manning, Roethlisburger, and Anderson got the nod. Palmer deserved it less than Anderson.
Palmer deserved it less than Anderson? Why, because the other Browns players bailed him out? Palmer didn't have the talent around him than even Anderson did.
I think that the Browns would have done well with Quinn at the helm, even last year.
At WR, Palmer had better talent than Anderson. They don't have a TE like Winslow, but Jurevicious isn't Houshmanzadeh either. I would say they had pretty similar players around them, maybe giving a slight nod to Cleveland. That being said, Anderson threw 3 more TD's and 1 less INT than Palmer. Anderson was helped a great deal by his players, but Plamer was as well.
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There was a thread about this the other day...I said then it was too bad they didn't want DA.
Yea I posted that thread but it was deleted because I posted it.
Any way we should either trade Quinn or play him because while he is sitting no one is gaining anything! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Unfortunately, it looks like he has regressed ... with the weight of expectations on him.
Dude..hes the same guy as last year, we just aren't playing tard teams...hes making the same throws now as last year. DA will go as far as all the talent around him carries him.
I dont see where he has regressed really, same QB that was out there last year, teams have some film on us, and have figured out, not to let our big play reivers make big plays...they force DA to dink and dunk his way down...he can't.
But hes the exact same QB as last year......we are playing diff teams, and those teams now can game plan for us.
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Unfortunately, it looks like he has regressed ... with the weight of expectations on him.
Dude..hes the same guy as last year, we just aren't playing tard teams...hes making the same throws now as last year. DA will go as far as all the talent around him carries him.
I dont see where he has regressed really, same QB that was out there last year, teams have some film on us, and have figured out, not to let our big play reivers make big plays...they force DA to dink and dunk his way down...he can't.
But hes the exact same QB as last year......we are playing diff teams, and those teams now can game plan for us.
Honestly, he has regressed. A lot of that may have to do with how defenses are playing him now though.
Last year when he saw man coverage his eyes lit up like Christmas, and the ball came out on time.
This year I don't think he's seeing anywhere near that amount of man coverage, thus holding the ball or throwing short and missing.
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Honestly, he has regressed. A lot of that may have to do with how defenses are playing him now though.
thats my point, I dont think DA is doing anything diff...teams have just adjusted to him and the Browns offense and he cant improve on his weakness's so teams are exploiting those.
No diff than Wimbley, hes doing the same things now as 2 yrs ago, teams have adjusted...now hes nothing.
Until DA really gets better, this offense will suck, injuries or heathly...he cant take what the defense is giving him...big time problem!
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Honestly, he has regressed. A lot of that may have to do with how defenses are playing him now though.
I think the way defenses are playing him has everything to do with what we are seeing. What Derek is kinda good at has been taken away, so we see a player that looks worse. I so wanted to see him improve his game, because if he did we wouldn't be where we are. The Ravens D cut Derek, and the blood is in the water. Don't think anything good will happen if he stays in.
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I think he has regressed. I didn't think he was as great as some on here thought he was last year but he did challenge defenses. He wasn't afraid to take a shot. I don't know if the concussion has done more damage of if maybe he is playing tentative because he is looking over his shoulder and knowing Quinn is waiting.
Last year he took chances down field. I could live with a couple of turnovers if he was still doing that but he is taking the underneath stuff and still turning it over.
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No way should we let Quinn go! I would have to vote for both RAC and Savage to be fired on the spot if they let Quinn go. DA is not the future starting QB of the Browns. Quinn may not be but he deserves the chance to find out, one way or the other. Otherwise, why did we go through the hassle of giving up our 1st and 3rd rd. picks to get Quinn in the first place???
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Anderson was helped a great deal by his players, but Plamer was as well.
Kenny Watson vs. Jammal Lewis? Cincy's OL or ours? Hell! Even our D was better than theirs! Then, when you toss in the distractions of their off-field issues?
Give me a break!
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There is a word for repeating the same procedure over and over and expecting a different outcome,at this moment that word escapes me.
According to Enstein...thats the definition of insanity.....if Enstein was around today...he would have said the definition of insanity, is the Browns coaching staff trying to run an NFL football team.
Seriously...at this point it doesnt take a guru to see DA is done...I dont get this smoke and mirrors...either go with DA or start Quinn...
But I heard classic RAC today.."we aren't sure, maybe we'll know more later, and maybe we can come up with a decision later this week"..... 
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I agree....he doesn't have the look in his eyes.
The only look I see in DA's eyes are that of a dimly lit bulb. The picture they show of him during the games makes me think of the Geico cavemen commercials....
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Anderson was helped a great deal by his players, but Plamer was as well.
Kenny Watson vs. Jammal Lewis? Cincy's OL or ours? Hell! Even our D was better than theirs! Then, when you toss in the distractions of their off-field issues?
Give me a break!
Not too butt in...but....I believe your thinking is a bit flawed. Cincy at least hung in their and gave themselves a chance to win at the end of the game/in O.T. The Browns were out of the game well before the 4th qtr ended.
Cincy's defense gave up 26 pts, the Browns D gave up 28, now number wise there's not much difference but factor in that the Giants were last years SB champs and can score and Baltimore has been notoriously known for not being able to score and I think the facts lead to the Bengals looking better than the Browns, at least this past weekend.
btw, no offense meant...just making an opinionated point. LOL
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Cincy's defense gave up 26 pts, the Browns D gave up 28
If you really want to get technical, Ed Reed returned an INT for a TD, so our D actually gave up 21 pts. Either way, we still lost 
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Cincy's defense gave up 26 pts, the Browns D gave up 28
If you really want to get technical, Ed Reed returned an INT for a TD, so our D actually gave up 21 pts. Either way, we still lost
LOL, you're absolutely correct. I thought of that and forgot to change that thought.
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Yea I posted that thread but it was deleted because I posted it.
Oh good . now we get to add LIAR to the list of unflattering adjectives that can be used to describe U ..
U posted a thread about a bunch of chefs FANS that started a website to aquire BQ ... thats a far cry from a thread about the actual chefs org. contacting us ...
it has nuttin to do with U .. and everything to do with the CONTENT of what was posted ...
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Unfortunately, it looks like he has regressed ... with the weight of expectations on him.
Dude..hes the same guy as last year, we just aren't playing tard teams...hes making the same throws now as last year. DA will go as far as all the talent around him carries him.
I dont see where he has regressed really, same QB that was out there last year, teams have some film on us, and have figured out, not to let our big play reivers make big plays...they force DA to dink and dunk his way down...he can't.
But hes the exact same QB as last year......we are playing diff teams, and those teams now can game plan for us.
I gotta agree with Rishuz.
He has regressed. He's still making the same awful throws, but he also looks tentative. He's holding onto the ball way too long, something he didn't do too much of last year. He'd also connect on a great throw, but I haven't seen one of those yet this season.
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Cincy's defense gave up 26 pts, the Browns D gave up 28
If you really want to get technical, Ed Reed returned an INT for a TD, so our D actually gave up 21 pts. Either way, we still lost
And another 7 was because our O gave their O the ball at the 12. But, technically, our D gave up that 7.
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