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I guess it's because of the gender I used in my scenario that I wasn't able to get my point across...so let's say that the female had a huge male friend with her to witness the entire thing and make sure it didn't go any further than what I stated....we're talking professional wrestler kind-of-huge.
Is there a difference between that, and having it done by a "professional"?
The more constraints you put on it, the closer it gets to being a strip club.. so IMO, the more ok it becomes.. where it ultimately crosses the line from not-ok to ok.. I can't really tell you.
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Cross your fingers and hope my woman feels otherwise because I have a bachelor party to attend on Saturday night...
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For woman yeah it's a guy with a tight body in a bananna hammock, but it's more hilarious than it is serious
Definitely true. I've never been to one myself, but when I picture it in my head, I can just see me cracking up the entire time.
LOL I'm cool, this is my third bachelor party this year. I have three friends who are capable of marriage, and they all do it in the same year.
As far as women at a male revue...(assuming this is a bachlorette party) the fact that they were penis necklaces, drink from penis water bottles, and wear suck for a buck shirts instantly means it's a night of humor. If I went to a bachelor party and showed up with a boob necklace, I'd be killed before I even crossed the threshold. It's almost mocking men who take bachelor parties ultra serious.
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Oh man, if mentally cheating is considered cheating I wonder how many of us are doomed.
Probably all of us guys are! 
My wife and I have a deal,, I can look all I want.. but if I touch,, I'm toast.... Burnt toast....
So I think its safe to say that me seeing a woman on the street and thinking,, man,, let me at her... isn't going to make her mad... But my guess is that if I try to pick that same woman up,, then we refer to the toast comments above 
As for hookers,, I don't know.. Half of me says,, hey, it's wrong,, we shouldn't allow it.. the other half (get your mind out of the gutter, its not the lower half LOL) says, what difference does it make, some woman are going to sell sex,, no matter what the law says.
As one of my previous posts showed,, there are plenty of ways to find it if you want it..
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When i was married I never once thought about being with another woman. Maybe im just not normal? But I had what I wanted, sure I looked at other women but never thought what it would be like to be with them. I guess what im trying to say is, that if you are truley happy, then that type of thinking never comes to the surface? I have never condoned cheating and never will, if you feel like you need to cheat, then maybe you shouldnt be with that person in the 1st. place? just my 2cents worth.
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Totally 100% agree... Daman, you mentioned 2 entirely separate issues....the first was thinking about having sex with another women, the second one mentioned looking at an attractive woman who walks by. Thinking about having sex with another woman, IMO, is mentally cheating. Are you mentally cheating if you look at another attractive woman? No really, however I don't think it's a good idea to do it in front of your woman if she doesn't like it. It also depends on HOW you do it....if you're staring with your tongue hanging out of your mouth (and granted you may not even realize you're doing it), or sizing them up and down, then a woman could perceive that to be insulting....after all, when you are spending time with the woman that you love, she should be getting all of your attention. I think she deserves that, don't you? Damn, we should have started another thread for this. 
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My wife and I are both free to look and drool at any time. Hell sometimes we point people out to each other  As long as no touching goes on it's OK As for strip clubs and lap dances I avoid both out of respect for my wife.
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I guess I don't really disagree with you Christyk.. and Shotty,, I was citing examples,, I don't cheat on my wife either.. She's just to damn fine a woman and human being to do that too... I wouldn't have the heart for it.
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Thinking about having sex with another woman, IMO, is mentally cheating.
Let's break this down even further.. there is thinking about having sex with another woman.. as in seeing a hot NFL cheerleader or even a woman on the street and thinking.. "Y'know I'd like to go over there and #%#%^$^#$@%$."
There there is sitting in a bar looking at the woman at the other end thinking, "Maybe I should go talk to her, maybe I might get somewhere."
In my mind, there is a difference.. one is fantasy, the other is cognitive decision making......
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I guess I don't really disagree with you Christyk.. and Shotty,, I was citing examples,, I don't cheat on my wife either.. She's just to damn fine a woman and human being to do that too... I wouldn't have the heart for it.
Im sorry! never ment to come across like that to you, just stating my view, wasent ment toward's you. 
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LOL!!! Right now… Anyone…From almost any ware… Can simply log onto craigslist… surf “services” and then “erotic”… And find yourself a prostitute… I know this… The media (how I found out) knows this… And the Law knows this… WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! This is the world we live in….
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Just wanted to be clear.... but thanks..
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Thinking about having sex with another woman, IMO, is mentally cheating.
Let's break this down even further.. there is thinking about having sex with another woman.. as in seeing a hot NFL cheerleader or even a woman on the street and thinking.. "Y'know I'd like to go over there and #%#%^$^#$@%$."
There there is sitting in a bar looking at the woman at the other end thinking, "Maybe I should go talk to her, maybe I might get somewhere."
In my mind, there is a difference.. one is fantasy, the other is cognitive decision making......
Not sure if I'm following you here...do you actually go over to the woman in the bar and flirt with her in the hopes of getting laid?
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My wife and I are both free to look and drool at any time. Hell sometimes we point people out to each other As long as no touching goes on it's OK
And that's good gm....it's only when you start doing things behind your spouse's back that leads to trouble.
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Totally 100% agree...
Daman, you mentioned 2 entirely separate issues....the first was thinking about having sex with another women, the second one mentioned looking at an attractive woman who walks by.
Thinking about having sex with another woman, IMO, is mentally cheating. Are you mentally cheating if you look at another attractive woman? No really, however I don't think it's a good idea to do it in front of your woman if she doesn't like it. It also depends on HOW you do it....if you're staring with your tongue hanging out of your mouth (and granted you may not even realize you're doing it), or sizing them up and down, then a woman could perceive that to be insulting....after all, when you are spending time with the woman that you love, she should be getting all of your attention. I think she deserves that, don't you?
Damn, we should have started another thread for this.
I agree, in theory. I don't care if my gal looks at another man and thinks he's hot. Heck I don't care if she had a moment where she pictured him naked doing whatever, but so long as it's not a total slap in the face. I get that I'm may not be physically the most attractive man in her life, but we have more than that. At the risk of sounding squishy and emotional, we love each other and that's more enduring than a set of DD's I see in passing.
BTW, on this topic if anyone has ever seen Greg Behrendt's standup act (he's the author of "He's Just Not That Into You") he has a hilarious act about playing the celebrity free card with your spouse. VERY funny.
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Oh man, if mentally cheating is considered cheating I wonder how many of us are doomed.
Probably all of us guys are!
My wife and I have a deal,, I can look all I want.. but if I touch,, I'm toast.... Burnt toast....
My wife and I have a deal too. I can look, but then I get the evil look and she doesn't talk to me for 2 days.
So it's a win/win, I get to check out a hottie, and I get 2 days of peace and quiet around the house. 
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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If we turn prostitution in a bonfide career choice, then we as a society are telling our daughters that it's a perfectly acceptable thing to do. How can we argue otherwise? After all, it's not illegal anymore.
That ship sailed a long time ago. Do you know how much crap society feeds our daughters? From what society dictates, they just prostitute themselves under a different name.
Raise your daughter right, and she won't end up a prostitute. No legality is going to change that.
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Simply put, I think that that for future generations, it would change the way that society in general views sex and what one perceives to be a "healthy relationship" with the opposite sex.
It might actually improve it.
Do you understand how dense men are? How much time they waste ambling for sex? How many girls are impregnated or heartbroken by dolts in their twenties who wanted to get laid?
A healthy relationship with the opposite sex is fostered by having healthy relationships with the opposite sex. I agree with your core idea that it's an unhealthy practice...but a lot of our dealings in that area are unhealthy. That has nothing to do with legalities or morality. I find more often than not it's due to a lack of honesty.
A guy who's going to cheat on his wife is going to cheat on his wife regardless of prostitution's legality. A guy who is going to be faithful isn't going to be swayed by it's legality.
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I just don't understand how we can turn a morally indecent activity in a legitimate profession.
Who says it's morally indecent?
Lot of people think alcohol is morally indecent...what does that say about bartenders?
The legalization of prostitution drastically cuts down on the risk of disease. It cuts down the rate of parasitic rapist pimps. Keeping it illegal only helps to put prostitutes in greater danger. Hate to break it to you, but the profession isn't going anywhere. Ever. It's as certain as death and taxes. Just because people don't agree with what they do doesn't mean they shouldn't give them the protections of the community.
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Not sure if I'm following you here...do you actually go over to the woman in the bar and flirt with her in the hopes of getting laid?
Do I? No.
But that's what I'm saying, there is the superficial level of "thinking about have sex with somebody" like a celebrity or a real hottie from a distance..... compared to actually thinking about making it happen.. both are some form of "thinking about having sex with somebody else".. and in my estimation, one is much worse than the other...
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Do I? No.
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But that's what I'm saying, there is the superficial level of "thinking about have sex with somebody" like a celebrity or a real hottie from a distance..... compared to actually thinking about making it happen.. both are some form of "thinking about having sex with somebody else".. and in my estimation, one is much worse than the other...
If you were to actually seriously consider making a move on another women, then yes...of course that would be far worse than just fantasizing about it in your head.
On the other hand, if you're a married man who is constantly fantasizing about having sex with every hottie that you see walking down the street, then wouldn't you say that you're marriage has some problems?
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On the other hand, if you're a married man who is constantly fantasizing about having sex with every hottie that you see walking down the street, then wouldn't you say that you're marriage has some problems?
I would have to say yes. You marry the woman/man that you love, correct?..Then if you keep thinking about having relation's with other women/men then There is somthing very wrong with the marriage.
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So it's a win/win, I get to check out a hottie, and I get 2 days of peace and quiet around the house.
OMG,, so how did you accomplish that again?
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On the other hand, if you're a married man who is constantly fantasizing about having sex with every hottie that you see walking down the street, then wouldn't you say that you're marriage has some problems?
I'm not exactly sure when "Wow, she's really hot." turns into thinking about sex.. so it's hard to say how often I really fantasize about having sex with somebody.. I do appreciate looking at attractive women though..
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I was kinda wondering, is thinking about having sex with someone other than your partner the same as actually having sex with someone other than you partner?
If it is, most of us might as well go for it if we are going to get in the same amount of trouble.
I don't think there are many normal humans who don't think about having sex with someone other than their wife or husband,
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It's also against my morals, but just like smoking pot, I don't think it should be against the law.
Out of curiosity... How do you feel about gay marriage?  Which is yet again on the California ballot.. Prop 8... and the commercials for Prop 8 are absolutely misleading.. They talk about if not passed that gay marriage will be taught in class.. which there is nothing in Prop 8 stating that but it basically just bans gay marriage.. Shows that people don't read what they are voting for.. If you want to ban teaching gay marriage in school, just make a proposition banning teaching marriage in school, which I believe marriage shouldn't be taught in school to begin with. Man/Man Woman/Woman or Man/Woman.. just don't teach it period.
but I wonder how many people will actually read this prop or any of them rather than just listening to what other people have to say about them..
On a side note, why do people even pay for sex anymore? I hear you can find some "good" dates on online dating sites.. but then again you'd be paying someone else..
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And that's good gm....it's only when you start doing things behind your spouse's back that leads to trouble.
Not when she is bent ov.... ummm never mind
We both go by the motto, if we wouldn't do it with the other one standing beside us, we don't do it if the other one is not there.
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We both go by the motto, if we wouldn't do it with the other one standing beside us, we don't do it if the other one is not there.
Visions of threesomes dancing in my head
Actually, that seems like a pretty good plan to me.
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Out of curiosity... How do you feel about gay marriage? Which is yet again on the California ballot.. Prop 8... and the commercials for Prop 8 are absolutely misleading.. They talk about if not passed that gay marriage will be taught in class.. which there is nothing in Prop 8 stating that but it basically just bans gay marriage..
It doesn't "ban" gay marriage. It just amends the state constitution to define a marriage as between man and woman. Gay couples are still free to engage in marriage ceremonies with no fear of the swat team kicking in the doors and hauling them off to prison.
The comparison isn't the same. Drugs and prostitution are considered "criminal acts" ... while gay marriage is only about legal recognition.
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They talk about if not passed that gay marriage will be taught in class.. which there is nothing in Prop 8 stating that but it basically just bans gay marriage.. Shows that people don't read what they are voting for.. If you want to ban teaching gay marriage in school, just make a proposition banning teaching marriage in school
While Prop has nothing to do marriage education ... the writing would be on the wall for it to show up in schools much sooner than later.
And you can't make a proposition to ban teaching it in school. It would quickly be struck down as "unconstitutional" ... that's the point of THIS prop.
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Out of curiosity... How do you feel about gay marriage? Which is yet again on the California ballot.. Prop 8... and the commercials for Prop 8 are absolutely misleading.. They talk about if not passed that gay marriage will be taught in class.. which there is nothing in Prop 8 stating that but it basically just bans gay marriage..
It doesn't "ban" gay marriage. It just amends the state constitution to define a marriage as between man and woman. Gay couples are still free to engage in marriage ceremonies with no fear of the swat team kicking in the doors and hauling them off to prison.
The comparison isn't the same. Drugs and prostitution are considered "criminal acts" ... while gay marriage is only about legal recognition.
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They talk about if not passed that gay marriage will be taught in class.. which there is nothing in Prop 8 stating that but it basically just bans gay marriage.. Shows that people don't read what they are voting for.. If you want to ban teaching gay marriage in school, just make a proposition banning teaching marriage in school
While Prop has nothing to do marriage education ... the writing would be on the wall for it to show up in schools much sooner than later.
And you can't make a proposition to ban teaching it in school. It would quickly be struck down as "unconstitutional" ... that's the point of THIS prop.
Banning the teaching of gay marriage in school is not the point. The point is to ban Gay Marriage in California. That is exactly what it will do.
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Sec. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California
The teaching of it in schools is a scare tactic, plain and simple. Prop 8 has nothing to do with what is taught in school. Schools do not even need to teach about marriage at all to begin with. Marriage should be taught by parents to begin with. And what would be unconstitutional about a law stating that "marriage" should not be taught in public schools? Note: I am not saying just gay marriage, but marriage in general, Gay or Straight. When I was in school during sex ed in regards to abstinence, it was never "wait for sex within marriage" but "wait for sex in a committed relationship." Marriage is a belief best taught by parents. I merely don't believe the belief of marriage, gay nor straight should be taught in school.
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Banning the teaching of gay marriage in school is not the point.
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The point is to ban Gay Marriage in California. That is exactly what it will do.
That is not exactly what it will do ... it will mean the state will not recongnize a gay marriage. You can still do it. A "ban" implies that guys with guns will show up and arrest you for unlawful activity. "Non-recongition" means you are free to do whatever you want, just don't expect the rest of us to call it what you want us to.
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The teaching of it in schools is a scare tactic, plain and simple.
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Prop 8 has nothing to do with what is taught in school. Schools do not even need to teach about marriage at all to begin with. Marriage should be taught by parents to begin with.
No it doesn't, but you're missing the point. If marriage IS brought up in a school setting, then schools are then obligated to "show all points of view" ... otherwise it's "discrimination" or some such silliness. There are already calls from the gay community to include books like, "Two Princes" into the kindergarden cirriculum, because they want to show "all angles" of relationships. Legalizing marriage in the state would basically green-light stuff like that, and that's what they are getting at. So no, you are absolutly correct in saying it's not mandating anything to do with education ... but it's certainly greasing the slippery slope in an education format that constantly hears cries of, "you need to show all points of view".
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The point is to ban Gay Marriage in California. That is exactly what it will do.
That is not exactly what it will do ... it will mean the state will not recongnize a gay marriage. You can still do it. A "ban" implies that guys with guns will show up and arrest you for unlawful activity. "Non-recongition" means you are free to do whatever you want, just don't expect the rest of us to call it what you want us to.
And you want to believe that just because the State does not state that "Marriage is only between a man and a woman" that you,personally, have to recognize it as such? Marriage is a belief. You can believe whatever you want about it. Whether a marriage in your eyes is only valid if performed in a church or in Judge's office. There are some people who believe that marriage is only valid if done by their religious official, so should we ban Judges marrying people or preachers from other sects from marrying people? Just because the state recognizes it, does not mean that your belief system has to match it. You can still believe in your beliefs that a gay couple cannot be "married" by your definition and in the eyes of "your god(s)."
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The teaching of it in schools is a scare tactic, plain and simple.
And implying that gays will somehow be treated as second class citizens isn't?
No I am pointing out the fact that proponents of the Prop are using a misleading scare tactic to win over support. They are saying their prop will ban Action B by banning Action A but instead can be fixed just by banning Action B in a better fashion without limiting the rights of those affected by banning Action A.
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Prop 8 has nothing to do with what is taught in school. Schools do not even need to teach about marriage at all to begin with. Marriage should be taught by parents to begin with.
No it doesn't, but you're missing the point. If marriage IS brought up in a school setting, then schools are then obligated to "show all points of view" ... otherwise it's "discrimination" or some such silliness. There are already calls from the gay community to include books like, "Two Princes" into the kindergarden cirriculum, because they want to show "all angles" of relationships. Legalizing marriage in the state would basically green-light stuff like that, and that's what they are getting at. So no, you are absolutly correct in saying it's not mandating anything to do with education ... but it's certainly greasing the slippery slope in an education format that constantly hears cries of, "you need to show all points of view".
So what you just said... you are going to treat Gay couples as second class citizens because you want to ban the teaching of Gay Marriage in school by banning their right to marry?
You can call it greasing the slippery slope all you want, but you are going about it the wrong way. If you really look at it, you shouldn't be in a position with your children where what they pick up at school will affect what you want them to learn about your beliefs. If you instill the beliefs that you want them to believe in properly to begin with, they will believe what you want them to believe no matter what they pick up anywhere, because even if the school isn't teaching it, they will still pick it up somewhere else. We shouldn't be taking the lazy approach of parenting. There will always be "evils" out there, and someone else's "evils" may not be exactly what your "evils" are.
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What if the third person is named Chester??
I'm a little scared of that thought, next thing you know,, Marshal Dillon, Ms Kitty and Doc will all be standing around watching......
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And you want to believe that just because the State does not state that "Marriage is only between a man and a woman" that you,personally, have to recognize it as such?
And you can go the other way with that too ... just because the state doesn't recongnize it ... doesn't mean a gay couple has to change thier "belief" either. The only difference is, I have the majority on my side.
This has ZERO to do with gay rights. This is all about the minority forcing the majority to call marriage what they want it to.
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Marriage is a belief. You can believe whatever you want about it.
Great! Then so can a gay couple! If they think they are married, then they are ... no need to force the majority to call it what they want to call it.
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Whether a marriage in your eyes is only valid if performed in a church or in Judge's office. There are some people who believe that marriage is only valid if done by their religious official, so should we ban Judges marrying people or preachers from other sects from marrying people?
We aren't banning judges or preachers from doing anything. They can hold a wedding if they want to. The only difference is the rest of the state doesn't have to call it a marriage when it's all said and done.
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Just because the state recognizes it, does not mean that your belief system has to match it. You can still believe in your beliefs that a gay couple cannot be "married" by your definition and in the eyes of "your god(s)."
Just because the state doesn't recongnize it, does not mean that a gay person's belief system has to match it. They can still believe in their belifes that they are "married" and in the eyes of whatever they want ...
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And you can go the other way with that too ... just because the state doesn't recongnize it ... doesn't mean a gay couple has to change thier "belief" either. The only difference is, I have the majority on my side.
And you do realize that a lot of the Founding of our Nation was on the basis to protect the Minority from the Majority? Hence the Big State and Small state troubles they dealt with. It's why we only have 2 Senators per state and multiple more Representatives in the House. It's one of the reasons we have the Bill of Rights.. If the majority of people believed we should ban guns, would you be for it?
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This has ZERO to do with gay rights. This is all about the minority forcing the majority to call marriage what they want it to.
Great! Then so can a gay couple! If they think they are married, then they are ... no need to force the majority to call it what they want to call it.
We aren't banning judges or preachers from doing anything. They can hold a wedding if they want to. The only difference is the rest of the state doesn't have to call it a marriage when it's all said and done.
Just because the state doesn't recongnize it, does not mean that a gay person's belief system has to match it. They can still believe in their belifes that they are "married" and in the eyes of whatever they want ...
If you believe that gay couples should believe what they want to believe in, then why does Government have to set up a law that states that "only marriage between a man and woman is valid?" It doesn't other than to mandate it's belief on others. In the end, you can still believe in what you want and they can believe in what they want. I don't think government should be in the business of dictating what our beliefs are. They shouldn't be dictating what Marriage is. Just removing the word Marriage from government should be done and if just call it civil unions for purposes of the State.
And for the record, I am not gay, but I just believe the government should not be imposing beliefs onto others. We should not be the morality police.
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Oh Please.
What? Care to elaborate?
With you? On this subject? No.
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