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Wait and see until all the facts are out. Maybe this wasn't Savage afterall.........
I don't disagree with that......none the less, the communication was made with Winslow to proceed in a certain manner.
If this communication was made by some underling who really didn't have the authority to make such a decision, the player wouldn't know that. The way it sounds, those people communicate all sorts of information to players.
So...if Savage is to get the pass, which he may very well deserve in this case, the players deserves the same pass.
No??
As to where he got the staph.....nobody knows that. Where you might get the cut, such as the suggested car door, doesn't mean that is where and when the staph set in. It isn't like a STD where it is pretty easy to pinpoint the problem.
Nobody can deny we have had a staph problem with the team, so when you start connecting the dots, there is a common denominator.
Who knows, maybe we have a nasty player who brings this stuff in.
At any rate....we won....so that makes everything a little less important. I do know that. 
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So...if Savage is to get the pass, which he may very well deserve in this case, the players deserves the same pass.
No??
If Winslow had said it once and only once, I would agree with you. My opinion here, and I stress that this next statement is purely my opinion, is that Winslow kept on and kept on, as exemplified by the talks with Crennel that Winslow didn't like, as well as his press release where he didn't apologize for freaking out, but essentially stood by his statements. Because of that, Savage went with the suspension.
So should the player get a pass? I'm not inclined to say so, based on what information I have in front of me. Of course I'm sure I don't have all the info, so that opinion could change.
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Cleveland is 2-0 without Winslow and 1-4 with him.
I would have to look up the rushing yard difference with and without him.
But he is part of a team and not god's gift to TE's.
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You're a friend...maybe so.
To be honest, I don't care much anymore..
It's done.
I think we can agree there is enough blame to spread on all sides, so I am not going to get in to a tiff over how much to spread to one side or the other. That was another days talk.
As the Browns statement said, time to move on.
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Wait and see until all the facts are out. Maybe this wasn't Savage afterall.........
Are the following points worthy of consideration?
If the initial injury which contracted the infection was indeed caused by coming in contact with a car door, away from the facility and away from the team's trainers, and Winslow neglected to clean the wound the way he had been taught by the specialists hired by the team for the purpose of teaching him just that; could it then be possible that it is his own fault he contracted staph and not that of the team?
It is highly possible Winslow is one who carries the staph infection on his skin and all it takes is a small wound to initiate infection. That is highly possible for a great many people. If so, in the case of Winlsow, might the Berea facility have nothing at all to do with his infection?
If those two points are worthy of consideration, then is it not also understandable and completely within their common rights if the team asks that he not disclose the fact that he had a staph infection to give them time to investigate the matter? It would make no sense in worrying the players or for the Browns to take a ton of heat for staph showing up in the facility if indeed it did not.
Otherwise, why would Winslow and his representatives agree to such a request? Could it also have been agreed by both parties to play the HIPPA card initially until they really knew what happened? No one questions HIPPA.
Could Winslow been spared the embarassment of all the rumors floating around if his representatives would have disclosed how he became injured? If so, then why didn't they then and why haven't they yet come forward with that information? Does it serve a better purpose to allow the team to take all the heat for this?
For my money, if any of those points are true, and I don't know that any of them are, it lays a lot of suspicion on Winslow and his representatives in the way they handled this issue.
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j/c All I can say is, when winslow doesn't play, we're undefeated. (and that's playing the previous s.b. champs and undefeated giants, and today - no panises by any stretch), and when he plays, we are 1-4, beating only the lowly bungles. He wants a new contract?  Only if he renegotiates down in the salary department.
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I like Heiden. Dress Winslow and sit him. RAC goes with Heiden who only plays his butt off and produces AND blocks. Screw attitude; see what Rosey gets for damaged goods and a bad attitude. I don't doubt his intensity; I do doubt his integrity, his judgment, and his maturity. Maybe the Singletary Solution is in order.
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All I can say is, when winslow doesn't play, we're undefeated. (and that's playing the previous s.b. champs and undefeated giants, and today - no panises by any stretch), and when he plays, we are 1-4, beating only the lowly bungles.
He wants a new contract? Only if he renegotiates down in the salary department.
This is the frontrunner for dumbest post I've seen this month. By this logic the entire offense should be paying us after most games. And other than about 6 games in the last 2 years DA should be down to waxing everyone's cars 'cause he'd be out of money.
Sheesh, you guys really need to let it go. The FO acknowledged they screwed up in this matter. Y'all need to do the same.
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Why? Because I've never been a big winslow fan, I need to let it go? I love to watch him play. Best hands a tight end has had in a long, long time. I do not think that is disputable.
But I also realize we don't need him. He can help us, but we don't need him.
And furthermore, exactly what should I let go? I never brought this recent issue up - YOU did.
The fact that Winslow wants a new contract has been out there since he signed with Rosenhaus.
He's a great talent. No doubt. We don't need him. Heiden should get a new contract.
Oh, back to the subject you brought up - sure seems like the f.o. messed up.
Doesn't change the fact that we don't need winslow.
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Dub.....Staph exists all over. You can get it immediately from cutting your hand on the car door. You can get it in the wound a few hours later. You can get it a few days later after the scabbing process is disrupted by a thrown football in practice. The point is there is no real way to determine exactly when it happened or where it was picked up.
Like I said a few posts earlier, you start connecting the dots and there is a pattern that points to the team in some way....most probably the practice facility.
But, even then, that may not be the common denominator. It may simply be nothing but rotten luck.
But again, you start adding things up, the available evidence does point in a certain direction.
As to the who's and who did what, I am pretty much out of that unless something new occurs, but saw your post and felt I needed to comment on that
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ESPN's Chris Mortensen by way of PFT:
WINSLOW GOT STAPH FROM A CAR DOOR?
Posted by Mike Florio on October 26, 2008, 12:06 p.m.
Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that, two weeks ago, the publicist for Kellen Winslow was poised to annouce that Winslow got his staph infection from a car door.
We assume this means that Winslow cut himself on a car door, and that the cut developed a staph infection.
(Hey, at least he didn’t get it from a tractor.)
Mort also reports that owner Randy Lerner made the call on rescinding the suspension after the text messages instructing Winslow not to talk about his staph infection came to light.
Meanwhile, a league source has opined to us that the manner in which the Browns handled the situation paints them as “inept.”
We agree. And if coach Romeo Crennel is on the hot seat as his team’s high expectations have melted into a 2-4 reality, G.M. Phil Savage should be right there next to him.
Poised to announce it..but didn't..why not?
Thats what I'm curious about.and that PR person who sent the tesx messages is also curious..there is a lot to this that is puzzling..
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/10/27/week8/3.htmlI think I'm not convinced that staph infections are any more prevalent in football locker rooms than they are in the general public. But I do believe the NFL would be smart to hold another seminar for trainers and team physicians at the Scouting Combine -- the only place where all team medics gather in one place for several days every year -- in February. The NFL needs to allay the fears of so many of its players about how much is being done to fight staph. But let's look at the numbers. The Centers for Disease Control estimates 12 million Americans get medical help for staph infections annually, which, in a population of 305 million, is about 4 percent of the population. In a league of approximately 2,080 players (I estimate 53 active players plus eight practice-squad players plus four on IR or PUP per team, which is conservative), that would mean the average in line with America's staph occurrence would be 83 players annually. The league won't release the numbers of staph-infected players, so we can't know for sure if it's fewer or more than 83. But look at it this way: If I told you there were 83 documented cases of staph in the NFL in 2007 (2008, obviously, is not over), you'd say, "That's an epidemic.'' But no more an epidemic than elsewhere in the United States. And I'd be very surprised if there were 83 cases of staph among players in 2007, as would most NFL players and executives; that would be 2.6 cases per team, which seems high. I asked Indy GM Bill Polian, who has become well-educated about staph because of the Peyton Manning case, if he felt staph was running rampant in the league. "Absolutely not,'' he said. In Manning's case, by the way, the staph infection developed in the fluid that accumulated in the bursa sac that eventually had to be removed because of the infection. I think -- and I said this all week -- that there are so many reasons why Kellen Winslow is probably not long for Cleveland, but there is one overriding one: money. The staph-mania is a legitimate story, and the Browns have to continue their vigilance to make sure the infections don't continue to be any more of a problem in Cleveland than they are for any other franchise. But the biggest source of tension Winslow has with the team is that he's had two very good years and two years when a knee injury kept him off the field.
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Taking in to account the number of scrapes a football player gets v a lawyer or phone bank operator, the percentage is probably smaller.
But then again....we seem to get a high proportion of the NFL cases that do occur.
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Ridicules… tradesmen assembly and dock workers more then make up the difference for your lawyer or phone bank operators… We could do this all day… The percentages even out just fine…
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Doesn't change the fact that we don't need winslow.
Statements like this are infuriating me. Winslow has gone through a lot with this team, he has generally not been a problem in the locker room. He makes a set of comments, and all of a sudden hell breaks lose. Sometimes these kinds of things come, but let's not run our top talent out of town.
He's always practiced and played very hard. He was one of our two best players last year, and he was very special. The year before that he was good too. And if he played the year before that, he probably was one of our best players (if not best) then.
Since Winslow came back from his injury he has consistently played well without being a major problem. He did get some unsportsmanlike penalties during his season back, but since then, nothing.
I'm not gonna say I'm a fan of Winslow with this thing, but I definitely think he's still one of our best players, and you can bet your bottom that he will continue to play at 110 percent because that's what he does.
We win two games without the guy, and suddenly he's not THAT important. I like Winslow a lot, he played through injuries consistently until this year.
All i'm saying is let's not give up on the guy. People's emotions are amazing, he was our best player and he always played and he always went full speed. It's like that's been forgotten.
Winslow is essential to this team, don't start wishing for something that we might regret.
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I never said give up on him. I never said trade him. I simply stated that we don't NEED him to have an effective offense. Do we WANT him? Yes, IF: if he can be a team player. If he can understand that now is not the time to attempt to get a new contract. If he can understand that the Browns did him a favor in paying him and not changing his contract after the motorcycle incident.
I hear all the time how tough Winslow is, how he is constantly in pain, but plays through it, hurts so much he can't practice, etc. etc.......is that the type of player we want to pay more, to give a longer term contract to? I would hope not. I mean, if the guy is seriously hurting that much and in such poor physical condition, why would we extend his contract and give him new guaranteed money? He has a pretty good contract right now.
Let's say a guy has had life insurance with a company for 5 years. After 5 years, he calls the company and says I want lower premiums, and a higher payout.......by the way, I've had 3 heart attacks over the past 5 years and my cholesterol is out of control, but you shouldn't let that be a part of your decision. Plus, I got a new agent, and the only way he gets paid is if I renegotiate my policy.
Again, I'm not the one that said to cut him. I didn't say trade him. I am saying I would like to keep him, BUT, we don't need him. (need as in he is a "have to have guy"). He's one of 53 players on this team. He is NOT the team. He is not bigger than the team (neither is DA, Quinn, Edwards, Heiden, Joe, or anyone else)
If the Browns are treating him so unfairly, Winslow has options. He can finish out his contract, then go elsewhere. He can quit (playing football for a living is not a birthright - he has the option of doing something else).
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Winslow "ready to move on and just play football"
Monday, October 27, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Kellen Winslow didn't utter a word about staph infections or suspensions. After a contentious, confusing week laced with suspicion, innuendo and dueling statements, the Pro Bowl tight end returned to the Cleveland Browns on Monday eager to restart his disrupted season.
"I'm ready to move on and just play football," he said.
Winslow and the Browns appear to have made a truce, albeit a tenuous one.
Suspended one game last week by the club, which later rescinded its penalty, Winslow rejoined his teammates one day after the Browns won for the second time this season without him.
Winslow spoke briefly in front of his locker before heading to a team meeting. The 25-year-old said he has worked out his differences with Browns general manager Phil Savage and owner Randy Lerner.
"They knew where I was coming from and I understood where they were coming from, so it is all worked out," he said. "I am just excited to get back to playing football, doing what I love to do. I just really see this as a challenge, so I am going to meet it."
Winslow was banned from the team's facility last week by the Browns, who suspended him for criticizing the team's handling of his three-day hospitalization at the Cleveland Clinic with a staph infection. After initially agreeing with the team to keep his illness concealed, Winslow revealed he had staph following a loss at Washington last week.
Two days later, the Browns suspended the outspoken Winslow one game without pay for disparaging comments and behavior toward the organization. Winslow insists he was coming forward to protect the health of his teammates. He has had staph twice and is one of at least six known Cleveland players to contract staph since 2005.
Winslow appealed the suspension, which was dropped late Saturday night after the Browns reportedly learned Winslow had received text messages from a member of Cleveland's media relations staff who told him not to reveal he had staph.
After Sunday's 23-17 win in Jacksonville, Savage downplayed the importance of the text messages and said he and Winslow's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, had been working toward a settlement since Thursday.
Savage also suggested Winslow had been hospitalized for something other than staph and the club was trying to protect the player's privacy.
"If there's going to be disclosure, there's got to be full disclosure," Savage said outside Cleveland's locker room in Jacksonville. "We were trying to do the right thing by him and his family."
Savage was asked why Winslow had been hospitalized.
"I don't know," said Savage. "I think it's all in a gray area right now. You can ask him (Winslow)."
Before coach Romeo Crennel's news conference Monday, an agitated Savage came into the team's media room to discuss his postgame comments.
"Once and for all, Kellen's illness was determined to be a staph infection," Savage said tersely. "He had been in the hospital for two or three days; it takes a couple days to figure out what something is. Secondly, there was no secondary illness. Thirdly, he is in the building, he has worked out and the team meets at 1 o'clock.
"That's the end of the story. It is over with, OK? There is no secondary illness. Staph infection. Everybody's got it, right?"
Later, Crennel said he was happy to have Winslow back and the star had returned with a good attitude.
"I've spoken with him and he wants to be a Brown," Crennel said. "I think that he's going to come out and he's going to give us a good effort and a good performance."
The Browns are 2-0 without Winslow, who was released from the hospital the day before their Oct. 13 upset of the New York Giants. On Sunday, backup tight end Steve Heiden led the club with 73 yards receiving, picking up 51 on a fourth-and-1 catch to set up Cleveland's second touchdown.
Heiden also played well in the win over New York, making five catches for 59 yards as the Browns stunned the defending Super Bowl champions 35-14.
Crennel was effusive in praising Heiden, who had a career-high 43 receptions in 2005 when Winslow missed the season following a motorcycle accident.
"He is an all-around tight end, tremendous teammate and when you call on him to do something, he does whatever you call on him to do," Crennel said. "If that is to be the starter, he is the starter. If that's to be the No. 2 guy, then he's the No. 2 guy and he's always for the team, always for the Browns.
"That is the kind of attitude a coach likes on his team. We have to build on that and move forward with that."
Crennel chuckled when asked if Heiden would take Winslow's starting spot.
"We're going to work Kellen in and I'll say this: Don't be surprised if Kellen is the starter," Crennel said. "I'm not saying he's the starter, but don't be surprised if he's the starter."
At this point in the Winslow saga, nothing would be surprising.
So it ends...... 
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Funny comment from Bud Shaw, CPD : • The only way the Browns could have come off looking any worse in the Kellen Winslow saga is if they'd hired Isiah Thomas to handle things. The only way they could have looked more rudderless is if they released a statement rescinding Winslow's suspension and attributed the statement to, uh, no one in particular. ... Oh, they did that?
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Savage had to grandstand like Anderson and whine like Garcia. Do u really think some random PR guy just spontaniously decided to tell Winslow not to report a staph infection?
Keep that thought in mind......
Ok. It's finally hit the press, so it's no longer just "rumor."
This came from ESPN:
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Winslow appealed the suspension, which was dropped late Saturday night after the Browns reportedly learned Winslow had received text messages from a member of Cleveland's media relations staff who told him not to reveal he had staph.
So yes, some PR person went all rogue and caused much of this mess WITHOUT Savage's consent or knowledge.
THAT'S why it's best to wait until you have all the info before you judge someone (and by you I mean everyone).
So we're back to square one.........Winslow popped off, Savage dropped the hammer on him. Turns out a rogue PR person was the one telling Winslow to be quiet, NOT Savage. When Opie learned of what REALLY happened, they resolved the issue.
NOW it's put to rest.
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It's put to rest until the offseason..cuze I'll wager they try to move him..even if we don't find out till after the draft..
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NFL stars no match for bacteriaStory Highlights Several professional athletes have recently had staph infections Experts say it is a growing problem in settings that involve skin-to-skin touching CDC: Don't share towels; put something between your skin and the bench Cleveland Browns' Kellen Winslow brought issue to forefront By Elizabeth Landau CNN (CNN) -- A 6-foot-4 football player is more than a million times the size of a typical Staphylococcus bacterium. But under the right conditions, that athlete could find himself defenseless against the microscopic bug. Kellen Winslow recently had a second staph infection and has accused his team of covering it up. The problem came to the forefront last week with Cleveland Browns player Kellen Winslow, who recently had his second staph infection. He is reportedly the sixth player to acquire staph among the Browns in five years. Winslow recently said the Browns treated him like a "piece of meat" when he was hospitalized for the condition, and he claimed they covered up the cause of his illness. After Winslow spoke out, the organization suspended him for one game, then rescinded the suspension after a settlement with Winslow over the weekend. The Browns said in a statement Saturday that the team and Winslow had worked through their differences, and that the team looked forward to his return. Winslow joined the team again Monday. Peyton Manning of the Indianapolis Colts was revealed to have a staph infection, the Indianapolis Star reported Friday. University of North Carolina-Asheville fans also recently learned that Kenny George, the 7-foot-7 center on the basketball team, had a staph infection complication that led to part of his foot being amputated. It's unclear how these high-profile athletes acquired their infections. But the topic is generating buzz throughout the sports world as more players' staph cases are revealed. Hospitals have long been known to be hot spots for transmitting staph, but recently cases have cropped up in other community settings. Regardless of where these players got their infections, the close quarters of a locker room raise questions about overall risks. About 30 percent of people carry staph in their noses without exhibiting symptoms, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Experts say Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, a form of staph resistant to common antibiotics, has become a more prevalent problem in settings such as contact sports that involve skin-to-skin touching. Most MRSA infections acquired in community settings present themselves as sores or boils and often appear red, swollen, painful or with drainage such as pus, the CDC says. Infections often occur in cuts and abrasions but also on body parts covered in hair, such as the back of the neck, armpit or groin. Schools, prisons and other crowded environments are particularly known for transmitting MRSA, said. Elaine Larson, professor of epidemiology at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health. MRSA may spread particularly easily among athletes because they have repeated skin-to-skin contact, share items and surfaces that touch skin and have a hard time staying clean, the CDC says. Athletes often get cuts and abrasions; MRSA can enter uncovered skin breaks and cause infection. Dr. James Steinberg, medical director at Emory University's Crawford Long Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, said that environment plays a role in the spread of MRSA but that it's less a factor than coming into contact with a person's skin. "If you have somebody who has an infection -- he has a draining infection -- and he gets some of his pus on a bench, that staph's going to be there for hours or days before it dries out," he said. "But the higher concentration is going to be on that person's skin." A second infection in the same person could result from re-exposure or from treatment that didn't get rid of the bacteria colonization, he said. MRSA has been around in hospital settings since the 1970s, but community-associated MRSA was born in the late 1990s, and is now widespread in the community, said CDC spokesperson Nicole Coffin. A report from the CDC said that the deaths of four children from MRSA in North Dakota and Minnesota during the late 1990s "demonstrate the potential severity of community-acquired MRSA infections." A study on the St. Louis Rams published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2003 found that during the 2003 football season, there were eight MRSA infections among five of the 58 Rams players. To protect against MRSA, the CDC recommends practicing good personal hygiene and taking care of your skin, which includes wearing protective clothing and covering cuts and abrasions with clean, dry bandages. Also, do not share items that come into contact with your skin, such as towels, razors and ointments. Put something between your skin and shared equipment -- for example, sit on a towel on a bench. Larson said she is not directly familiar with Winslow's situation but understands the dilemma that a team would face if a player contracted a staph infection. There could be economic and psychosocial repercussions -- for example, another team might not want to play against that one, she said. But in general, other team members should be made aware of the situation so they do not share towels or engage in other behaviors that might transmit the infection. Still, there is a danger of overreaction, she said. In some instances when a child in a public school has died, the whole school panicked and fumigated the facility, she said. "It's a good idea to avoid that level of fear, because it's costly and it scares people unnecessarily," she said. On Thursday, the Brown's General Manager Phil Savage said the team did not alert players to Winslow's staph infection partly because of the health privacy laws and partly because the team was in "game mode" when Winslow had a confirmed diagnosis. "To come out and talk about that just was going to be another distraction," Savage said on his regular weekly appearance on WTAM radio in Cleveland, Ohio. "That's our job, is to limit distractions as much as we can." Winslow said in a statement released through his publicist, Denice White of EAG Sports Management, that he had been discouraged from making the issue public. "This has nothing to do with football, and this has nothing to with my current contract situation," he said. "This is a health concern." A spokesperson for the Browns did not return a request for comment. An NFL representative said the league has no statement on the issue. http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/10/28/staph.football/index.html
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Mr. Ballpeen I believe U used to be a judge and therefore I ASSume u were an attorney before that ... me .. i'm just a layman ... and my termonology tells me a SETTLEMENT was reached and one of the terms of the settlemaet was that the suspension lifted .. so to me .. NO DECISION WAS NULLIFIED ... huge difference there ... but thats just me ...
and the juice was found innonecent was he not Sir ? ... why?? well one of the BIG FACTORS that played into was that some of the damaging evidence aginst him was NOT PERMISSABLE in court ... kinda like in this fiasco where NOT ALL THE FACTS ARE KNOWN .... ...
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What more do you need??
personally Mr. Peen I;d like ALL THE FACTS to come out ... as a judge did that not make your decisions easier ... I am just a simple layman but I would think ALL PERTINENT FACTS to a case would surely make the DECISION A MUCH FAIRER ONE ... appearantly U don't as U have made a decision pretty much based on one side of the story ..
the questions this dumb ass layman would liked to KNOW THE TRUTH about are as follows ...
1. How was the cut that got infected actually inflicted and what part of his body had the open wound that got infected and exaclty where was the location it happened at? we need this one answered because it will play a big part in question #2 ...
witch to me is really the jist of if there was a watergate type cover up in this case or not .. witch in all actuallity is not really relevant to KW's real motive (motive is important .,, isn't it Mr. Peen) .. as a layman i really don't know but with your backround I would ASSume u would know that MOTIVE may play a part in anything .... and is MONEY not one of the BIGGEST motives??) ..
2. Did KW want this covered up from the very beggining or did Opie go in on his hands and knees and ask him or have a PR flunkie text him to beg him not to let the info out ...
cause to me .. that info has not ocme out ... and it is THE INFO WE REALLY NEED TO GET TO THE TRUTH .. thhis is about the truth ... is it not .. again that just may be the dumb ass layman in me coming out .... damm layman ...
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Because of this or because of that really doesn't work.
huh?? u need to explain that one in more detail .. before I can rip it to shreds Mr. Peen I need to know what the hell your talking about here .. remember Sir I am a simple layman and quite frankly a dumb ass when it comes to lawyer speak so please dumb it down for me (that means KISS .. ) ...
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I explained why Winslows camp can't explain where the staph was contracted....just trying to educate you. You can find the post if you wish.
Can u please do me a favor Mr. Ballpeen and PM me the next time U would like to educate me .. cause the only times I really read U in when i want to find out the hayseed point of view on sumptin ... so i donlt read alot of what u post ... and we both know I need all the edumacation i can get ...
and Thank U very much for speding the time to try and make me a better person .. your the best ... 
Oh and to your point .. I can onlhy imagine what a load of crap I missed by not seeing that one Sir .....
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Appearantly Mr. Peen there is more than one ball in play here and U are clearly following the wrong one .. at least U are consistent in that regard ..
It always a pleasure talking to U Sir and I hope u have a great day ;.... say hi to the Misses for me ..
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The problem came to the forefront last week with Cleveland Browns player Kellen Winslow, who recently had his second staph infection. He is reportedly the sixth player to acquire staph among the Browns in five years.
Winslow recently said the Browns treated him like a "piece of meat" when he was hospitalized for the condition, and he claimed they covered up the cause of his illness.
Typical CNN misinformation  KW2 is a hero.
the only one who wants the CAUSE of the illness covered up is KW2 - good thing his teamates know the CAUSE of the Illness. Again NOT A ONE is on his side. And in this day an age its not fear of management. The Union is strong enough. KW2 isn't a hero...more like a dirt bag. 
I just wish the Hippa law would let the truth be known. Car Door... yeah a lot of Staph - O - kaka germs on that car door.
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So what was it then??
Care to share with the class?
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Care to share with the class?
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EO. get caught chewing gum again ?
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Sorry I must abide by the HIPPA laws
Lets put it this way...just look at the facts you do KNOW.
It was the BYE week.
The players like had 3-4 days off.
KW2 on his own did something and conceived a staph infection.
KW2 came back to Berea...WITH THE INFECTION, not contracted it there!
He went to the hospital and had it treated and was out in 3 days.
No surgery was needed to clean it up.
He was able to play.
If it was to his knee as it was first implied...he'd be out for a considerable length of time!
Car Door...
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Could very well have been this :
" Infections often occur in cuts and abrasions but also on body parts covered in hair, such as the back of the neck, armpit or groin."
This states he didn't HAVE to have had a cut or sore or some other rumored desease to have contracted the virus.
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There was an agreement to keep the staph infection quiet...probably instigated by the FO.
KW2 broke the agreement, like a jacknard. He's an emotional fella ya know!
Savage had no clue that someone texted KW2.
Savage got caught LYING!
KW2 had proof.
Lerner scuttled the suspension.
End of story.
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Get to the MEAT of the problem Eo..state your POINT..it could be CUTTING..but educate Peen..
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eo......... Question for you and maybe Diam although I'm not sure I want to read his DiAtRiBe.  Do you think Phil Savage is a liar? He's been caught in one here for sure. Just curious as to your opinion.
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From just adding things up..I don't think he's lying..the fact is he can't report on the situation..
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You're drawing a lot of conclusions here without good enough proof IMHO.
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Articles are supporting Savage. Once he learned that one of his own PR people tried to keep Winslow quiet, he had to do something to rescind the suspension.
Fact: Winslow acted like an ass and spoke when he shouldn't have. Hel, playing the "emotion" card only washes when it's after the game. Emotion doesn't play into the statement his publicist released, where he didn't apologize, but in fact reemphasized his point.
Fact: Just because a rogue PR person told Winslow to keep it quiet, that doesn't mean Winslow then had the right to stand in front of a camera and bash the organization.
Winslow agreed to a $20k fine. You don't agree to that unless you blew it.
Savage, not Winslow, is vindicated, only because so many people tried to nail him to the cross.
I'm still waiting for Winslow to tell the truth. He sure didn't have a hard time throwing the organization under the bus, but he sure isn't going to admit to why or how he got Staph. Winslow, the petulant child, threw a stone at Savage, then ran behind the skirt of the law and hid. He remains there today. 
Classless and self-serving. I expect no less from him.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Better to wait for the Browns to win the SB..cuze he would never let it out.. Now that doesn't mean he can't be busted by someone who knows
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Clear the Air? Savage is to Blame.. Better late than never, Browns General Manager Phil Savage said in 29 seconds Monday what he should have said days ago. Appearing in the interview room at the Browns' Berea facility before the scheduled session between the media and head coach Romeo Crennel, Savage said tight end Kellen Winslow was hospitalized for a staph infection. There was no secondary illness. "Everybody got that?" said Savage. But as recently as Sunday night, everybody got a slightly different story. "If there's going to be disclosure, there's got to be full disclosure. We were trying to do the right thing by him and his family," Savage said then. A second time on Sunday, Savage failed to end the controversy, saying, "I think it's all in a gray area right now. You can ask [Winslow]." Thursday, Savage said, "Due to the nature of this particular situation, it seemed that the people involved wouldn't want it out there." The implication was that Winslow suffered from an embarrassing ailment. Winslow had had a staph infection before with the Browns and lost 30 pounds while fighting it. He had seen LeCharles Bentley and Joe Jurevicius go down with staph infections that were only reluctantly admitted by the team. Denise White, Winslow's publicist, text-messaged reporters Sunday that it was "staph, pure and simple." Other text messages Winslow had saved forced the team to rescind his one-game suspension. Those text messages from a Browns public relations official had told Winslow not to disclose the nature of his illness, just as he charged. If the rumors about Winslow's illness started in the blogosphere, the Browns should have stepped in and stopped them. If the Browns perpetuated them, and it seems clear Savage's reluctance to speak did, then without concrete proof it constitues a serious breach of the team/player relationship.
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Really??? guess thats your opinion ... U accuse of him lying in your previous post .. but that is full of holes also ... so again .. its a matter of opinion ..
me .. i;ll back the horse that's been honest with us from day 1 and has a histroy of being forthright about things ...
my horse also happens to be the one with no laws protecting him from fulll disclosure witch your horse is hiding behind ..
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He goes from .... HIPPA secondary illness....
To "There is no secondary illness" "Everybody got that" which is condescending as hell.
For all the people in the quote unquote know...who know of a secondary illness....wouldn't this be considered an out and out lie?
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He HAS to say their is no secondary illness since he can't say what it was. And he's getting beat up for coming close the the law about revealing ANYTHING medical ( even that he thought Winslow and family would not want it public) Savage WANTS to tell all...but he CAN'T. So he eats it at this point and just says.. Yea.... sure, it was nothing but staph.
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