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The offensive coordinator calls the plays. To coach can over-ride them but usually the OC is calling plays. Also, what the hell has the QB coach been doing?? I mean he is SUPPOSE to be working with DA or Quinn. The first thing the Browns should do is get a OC or QB coach who was a QB!! 
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The offensive coordinator calls the plays. To coach can over-ride them but usually the OC is calling plays. Also, what the hell has the QB coach been doing?? I mean he is SUPPOSE to be working with DA or Quinn. The first thing the Browns should do is get a OC or QB coach who was a QB!!
I agree to some extent, but there is a strong philosophy around here about not turning the ball over in key situations and playing bend/don't break defenses once we get a lead.
He may not call the plays explicitly, but the expectation is set for the tone of the play-calling as the game goes along on both sides of the ball. That's the head-coach or whoever is pulling his strings.
That's the part I don't like.
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I think the playcalling is all Chud. RAC lets his coordinators do what they want. He is the head coach. Now when it comes to 4th down, or certain situations, I'm sure he voices his opinion, and throws his veto power in when he feels he needs to.
RAC really believes in TEAM, and even the assistant coaches are apart of that. He lets them do their job. He's like a high school principal. lol.
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I remember people ripping Chuds playcalling in week 1 against the Steelers, when Charlie was afraid to throw the ball or when he did it was a nightmare.
The same situation is playing out this year. Receivers are open on a consistent basis. I dont just mean one receiving option either. DA at times would get afriad to throw the ball for whatever reason.
Chud is a great OC. I will stand by that until i see something that tells me otherwise. He cant throw the ball for DA and catch for BE. Hell its just like the off tackle run design on Sunday TE sealed the edge and it is wide open for a huge run and Lewis for some reason takes it inside. It was a great call but people are gonna complain because Chud called an inside run.
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Agreed. I think Chud is actually fairly innovative. I like presnap motion because that helps the QB immensely. I don't see the problem with him at all.
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I thought the same thing, that this decision was probably being made for Romeo weather he liked it or not. And that could spell the end after this season.
I think he should be gone after this season. He's liked, he's a good person, a decent coordinator and he certainly deserved his shot but he ain't got it and that aint going to change. I think it's obvious. This team is slightly above average in terms of talent and there's no center of gravity holding it together. I don't care how emotional he is/isn't on the side line or how vanilla his press conferences are but I do understand why people are getting so bent out of shape by it. Nobody senses that the wheel has a real hub on this team. There's no absolute leadership and at the end of the day your coach needs to be a leader, a true leader. We just missed the mark, period.
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Agreed. I think Chud is actually fairly innovative. I like presnap motion because that helps the QB immensely. I don't see the problem with him at all.
Running Lewis up the gut on 1st and 2nd down when backed up to your 6 yard line against the Ravens struck me as particularly UN-innovative. I understand the philosophy but that philosophy is wrong on your six yard line... in the 4th quarter... with a team that doesn't run the foot ball particularly well... against a team that is one of the very best against the run. I was calling the play before we ran it saying "my God don't just run Lewis at the line, I know you're going to do it, they know you're going to do it, just don't do it". Low and behold....
I think Chud is having as on/off/on/off a year as any on this team. So is Mel.
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I agree that Chud was pretty innovative...I just don't know what happened to him. Romeo has been a poor 'in game' decision maker. I STILL can't believe that he declined a 10 yard penalty that allowed the rats to run Stover out there and take the 41 yd FG.  It just boggles my mind.
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I would have declined the penalty too. Mason and the other WR's were KILLING our corners for most of the game. And the browns are known to give up long 3rd down conversions.
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I don't even know what to say to that Turk.
I guess you and Romeo are entitled to your wrong opinions.
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That is a call that can go either way. No way the slam dunk you are making it out to be.
If we had a better defense, I might be more upset about that call. But he was conceding the field goal instead of giving them the opportunity to keep the drive alive.
It could go either way. It's definitely not a slam dunk either way.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Oh there are times during the game where I'm upset with the specific call. Probably a few a game. And I remember the situation you're talking about and yes I was a little dismayed at the lack of creativity. In that situation I like some misdirection but overall I like Chud.
He is worlds, galaxies better than Carthon. Like polar opposite.
He's young, intelligent, a hard worker and is learning. His ceiling is very high unlike others in this organization.
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Chud is not great and at this point, good is going out the window. Let me ask you, when have you seen Chud use motion to create mis-matches?? How about maybe using a hurry up offense?? How about the use of the un-balanced line on certain running plays?? How about packages with Cribbs that lets him do a run option with Harrison or Wright?? I could go on but you see my point.
Yes, I will not blame him for BE drops or DA mis-reads but his lack of innovation is mind-boggling sometimes!! Hey, how many times have you seen the Browns line up in a I-formation and bring the WR to the strong side in motion to stop at the TE and then we run??? Answer - PLENTY!!!
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i like chud, i think he's going to get better at running the offense, he's a young guy, and i hope we keep him around to grow with this team
they're young, he's young, i think he's the right guy. he's made a ton of mistakes, i thought his gameplan in the cincinnati game last year cost us a shot at the playoffs, but overall, the offense was soo good last year.
i don't know a lot about mel tucker, but even though we still suck at the run, the defense seems better, and they get off the field, and make stops when they need to (holding baltimore to a field goal late in the game is what i'm talking about)
he's a pretty young guy too, so maybe he can grow as well. i just can't stand when you constantly change coordinators.
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Let me ask you, when have you seen Chud use motion to create mis-matches??
A lot. Many times a game. He flexes players all the time. Brings backs up to make a 5 wide formation. He'll move up to three players at the same time to the opposide side. He uses motion all the time to create mismatches.
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How about maybe using a hurry up offense??
We have used a hurry up offense this year. Not often but we have done it and we've done it mid game when it was not a necessity. I'd like to see us use it more too.
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We do this all the time. Far more than the average team. Like 3x more at least. Joe Thomas lines up outside of Shaffer at least 3 times a game. Come on man...really???
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How about packages with Cribbs that lets him do a run option with Harrison or Wright??
Funny but we have run a Cribbs run option with Harrison. I think it was the Giants game. Can't remember the specific game but we have done it.
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I brought this up in the other thread....Romeo is 5-17 in the AFC North with under .500 records against each team.
If you don't win in your division, you do not win in the NFL. Sorry, but Romeo should be shown the door. If you want to wait until the offseason, I am fine with that (this isn't college, so we don't have recruiting season to worry about), but make the change.
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you think savage would consider his boy "flash ferentz"??? Ferentz said last time when we hired romeo this was his dream job. he claimed it wasn't the right time and his kids were going to college. I wonder if Lerner would approve of a college head coach.??
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I would have declined the penalty too. Mason and the other WR's were KILLING our corners for most of the game. And the browns are known to give up long 3rd down conversions.
Also take into consider a stupid illegal contact penalty ( 5 yards but an automatic first down) or a pass interference....both of which with the touchy feely rules of NFL now are real possibilities....I mean for those who criticize that decision would your conviction be so strong on a 3 and 20 they get an illegal contact penalty and get an auto 1st down?
I see both sides of the coin but I am the mindset a bird in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush..(take what you know what you are getting) I probably would have not taken it either....
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I am not one that believes in the wisdom of hiring a college HC for the NFL. There are just too many nuances that are different for it to be a smooth transition.
That said, Ferentz is one of the few that could potentially make the jump if he hired a NFL coaching staff around him (and he does have some NFL experience)...but, I still would prefer several co-ordinators in the NFL before going down that road.
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good point, i don't tag it as anything but speculation....but it's an interesting switch in three hours, that's for sure...
why go talk to the media if you know that decision is about to be made? when you know that question is going to be asked?
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That's what concerns me as well, why add speculation that you're not the one running the team.
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If we do sign a Cower type of guy Phil is gone as well.
I think so....I have said for a long time Savage and Romeo might be tied a lot closer to the hip than many think.
I am not sure if this is a Savage decision or a Lerner decision....but I still think the odds are pretty good that if Romeo isn't canned after the Denver game(unless we win big), Lerner is driving this game to the end, and then will can both of them and hire a real coach who is going to demand roster control if he is going to take the position.....that or Phil is going to have to take a demotion of sorts.
I know the Collins deal was clearly a popular decision with the fans, but i am not sure Lerner felt it was the best move and think Lerner holds a chip against savage in that regard.
I also think Lerner wanted to get rid of Romeo a year ago....or more....but after allowing the GM to exert his position....he didn't....but at that point tied the fates of the two together.....OK....you want to give Romeo a extension....fine....but now he is your guy....you live and die with him.......I know I would have viewed it that way if i was the owner.
Not really directing this at just you peen, but how does anybody know what Lerner is thinking? When was the last time he even spoke to the media?
I can understand if Lerner is not happy with RAC, but Savage?? Savage has done an excellent job of upgrading the talent level, as far as RAC goes, this year should really be the first in considering a new coach.RAC did a pretty nice job with the talent he had last year, giving him another year only seemed normal. I can't imagine Savage being under the gun right now unless he would refuse to work with a guy like Cowher, if he were a real candidate.
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If this is the end of RAC I am all for it. I'd pack his bags for him and give him a great boxed lunch.
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exactly ...as of right now....i mean then...when he said it. Its really not the end of the world guys. If brady blows chunks then its back to our beloved  anderson. We will know soon enough if Brady can answer the call...paging dr Brady... 
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JMHO, but if all this 'RAC is gone!' talk is stemming from the Quinn situation then I think you are way off base. RAC was asked at his usual Monday presser if DA was still the QB and he said "Yes, as of right now." Now, we've come to know RAC as a very straight-forward, in-your-face type of commentator on such matters. What he said was completely true. At the time of that presser, DA was still the starter. I'm sure he went back upstairs, had a few meetings and then they agreed to make the change. I'll admit, it doesn't look good when the coach says one thing and then the story changes a few hours later, but RAC wasn't doing anything other than telling the truth at the time. For that, I don't think it spells his demise here as Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns. Again JMHO.
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This is somewhat speculative, but:Crennel said at around noon today, there would be no change at QB.
That's a bit of a misquote.... he said something like "as of now" there isn't going to be a change...
I doubt he makes the decision known before he has a chance to chat with the two QB's first.. it's only proper.
As for whether or not RAC will be here beyond this year.. your guess is as good as mine..
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I would have declined the penalty too. Mason and the other WR's were KILLING our corners for most of the game. And the browns are known to give up long 3rd down conversions.
Huh? Romeo declined the penalty in the first quarter. Mason had caught one pass for 8 yards at that point. In fact, that FG was the first score of the game. He declined it on 3rd and 12. I'm sorry, but if you don't believe your team can get a stop on 3rd and 22 to possibly avoid giving up points by keeping the FG out of range for Stover, who has struggled, don't even bother showing up.
Just another in a long line of mind numbing decisions by Romeo. He may be the worst game day coach I've seen in years. There are no excuses for blowing decision after decision. I don't care if the guy has the locker room like everyone keeps saying to excuse him... he clearly doesn't have the team when they're on the field, nor does he have the capacity to make correct decisions when we need them.
I agree with the original premise... this change wasn't made by Romeo. This was made from atop the organization and when you have an exec going over the head coach's head, it means he won't be coaching for long. Whether it was Savage or Lerner determines whether or not Savage stays but as far as I'm concerned, they're both a package deal and Lerner has probably seen enough at this point.
Frankly, I can't blame him.
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Savage and Romeo came together in a package deal...Kraft advised Lerner to hire romeo and Newsome advised Lerner to hire Savage...they are both a package deal
No they are not a package deal..Phil had his choice a different HC as I heard ..but the team already had decided on Rac..that little window that teams have to talk to coaches during the playoffs and SB was when they made the choice..they just couldn't say anything....
Rac was not Phil's first choice.
If he walks if he is fired , that doesn't mean it's a package deal ..
Savage would more than likely still be here.
Those wantin Chud to become HC better just do what DA is having to do now..sit the wood..hold a clipboard..he hasn't shown he's HC material..he still finding his way being a OC..
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I agree with you.
While Savage was hired and had a sign off on bringing in RAC, the decision on RAC was pretty much sealed.
Savage wasn't going to make his first move a week or so into the job throwing up red flags over the work Lerner and Collins and done in interviewing RAC....even if it wasn't a good move.
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I would have declined the penalty too. Mason and the other WR's were KILLING our corners for most of the game. And the browns are known to give up long 3rd down conversions.
Huh? Romeo declined the penalty in the first quarter. Mason had caught one pass for 8 yards at that point. In fact, that FG was the first score of the game. He declined it on 3rd and 12. I'm sorry, but if you don't believe your team can get a stop on 3rd and 22 to possibly avoid giving up points by keeping the FG out of range for Stover, who has struggled, don't even bother showing up.
Ya know what is just as surprising Spectre?
That there's some people that ACTUALLY AGREE with Romeo's call.
I mean, sure, they could've gotten a first down, or a TD even, who know's...but they could've been sacked or thrown an INT too.
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A lot. Many times a game. He flexes players all the time. Brings backs up to make a 5 wide formation. He'll move up to three players at the same time to the opposide side. He uses motion all the time to create mismatches.
He might use a 5 -wide formation about once a game. As far a motion, when have you seen him bring BE or whoever the other WR is on the same side as BE?? Very rarely! He does not try to move BE or any of his receivers around much at all during a game.
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We do this all the time. Far more than the average team. Like 3x more at least. Joe Thomas lines up outside of Shaffer at least 3 times a game. Come on man...really???
Chud only really uses this is 3-rd and short when the whole world knows we are running and like you said, he brings JT over the the right side, why not bring someone over to the left side.
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I think it was the Giants game. Can't remember the specific game but we have done it.
And that is the point, he uses a package like that once, in one game and its never to be used again. Once a game he brings in Cribbs under center. How about bringing cribbs in to create some type of coverage mis-match?? How about a 3 -wide series?
Again, Chud lacks alot of imagination. Now DA and BE have not helped much, but we have to use all the offensive weapons we have.
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And we use most 4-WR sets in goalline situations.. lol... Crazy right?
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I was talking about that specific run option play with specifically Cribbs and Harrison.
Not sure what you're expecting to see but the Browns offense has more creativity than most in the NFL.
We all have our opinions as to plays that would work but I like the basic concepts that Chud has employed. He's certainly the most creative OC since Lindy Infante.
Would you like to go back to Arians, Davidson, or god forbid Mo Carthon?
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Tonight was inexcusable defensively. A supposed defensive guru lets a team with a banged up offense all across the board have 500+ yards of offense? Are you kidding me? In his 4th year as a coach?
I know I'll catch flack from certain "know it alls" for being knee-jerk, but dammit, I know when I'm right and I know when I'm wrong...I'm right here. Romeo's gotta go.
I'm done with him as our coach, period.
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Firing him now doesn't do anything for the team.
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Firing him now doesn't do anything for the team.
I don't care...I've seen enough despicable performances by our team when a BUTCH DAVIS LEAD TEAM WITH LESS TALENT has OUTPERFORMED our current team many times!
Have we ever had a more talented team than we currently have since the return? NO! Yet we UNDERACHIEVE. BOTCH may have been a horrible personnel guy and a horrible people manager but on gameday he knew how to coach. Romeo does NOT. PERIOD.
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I agree, for being a defensive coach he doesn't seem to ever handle closing a game out. He like that drop 8 and make the tackle defense. I hate it. Good teams keep putting the pressure on even when they are up. It's like he plays not to lose instead of to win. He needs to stop playing Willie McGinest. He is to old and slow, I’m sorry if he knows the plays and all but he sucks. So does Andre Davis, he tackles like an 84-year-old woman. Put Hall and Williams in and let them get use to the speed of the game. They are far more athletic and can tackle and put pressure on the QB.
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"Firing him now doesn't do anything for the team. " toad.
I agree, but after the season is a__ is grass.
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Call it a hunch, but if I were you, I wouldn't go walkin' down the street right now
If we fire him, we have to promote Chud or Tucker. Since it's highly unlikely that either is ready, they stand a great chance of failing and looking bad in the process, causing them to have to be let go at years end. That also won't help the defense, and would cause the players to pretty much roll over.
I want him gone at year's end, but now isn't the time.
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Call it a hunch, but if I were you, I wouldn't go walkin' down the street right now
If we fire him, we have to promote Chud or Tucker. Since it's highly unlikely that either is ready, they stand a great chance of failing and looking bad in the process, causing them to have to be let go at years end. That also won't help the defense, and would cause the players to pretty much roll over.
I want him gone at year's end, but now isn't the time.
I don't care. Let Rip Scherer coach the team for all I care, it works for the Redskins with Jim Zorn and his relationship with Jason Campbell...
(DISCLAIMER: Yes I'm emotional and irrational tonight, but I will stand by my point that Romeo must go now if not after the season)
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