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Like I said, I'd bet you a small fortune that a LOT more college coaches have failed since Paul Brown!
I'll bet you that a lot more coordinator hires fail than go on to great success too.
90% of the time, the cards are stacked against any new head coach whether they come from college or from within the pro ranks because most of them are inheriting 2 win, 3 win, 4 win teams with marginal talent at best and a poor attitude... A lot of things have to come together to turn something like that around quickly and the odds are against it.
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And I think it just goes to help bolster my above post. This is a far too risky proposition to get roped into right now with all of the proven merchandise on the market.
There you go,, the right reason is right there. if there were no Mangini, Shanahan, Schottenhiemer, Reeves (yeah, just read that Dan Reeves would like to come back to coaching) then,, perhaps a college coach is a good move.
But even then, before I go the college route, I gotta look at some decent and successful coordinators. Like Spags, McDaniels, Schwartz etc etc..
But that's just the way I'd do it...
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I'll go with this most recent post 1st........
Jack Pardee wasn't a failure and made the playoffs numerous times with Oilers........doesn't count.
Pete Carrol, Mike Nolan, June Jones, were all coordinators when they got hired in the NFL...not college coaches. So you want to add Bill Calahan to the list of successes too??...lol. It's kind of apples and oranges.
Erickson was on my list.
The only real name is Henning, and I honestly didn't know about that one.
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Ok Daman, let me pose this question and anybody else who wants to answer can chime in....
We all, by now, are pretty familiar with the candidates (coaches and GMs) and their resumes... so you get them into Daman's big office for the interview... What do you ask them? What are you looking for? What is it you want to hear that makes one candidate better than another?
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Look at each of the situations these men waled into. Fledgling franchises. Teams on the rocks that needed to be turned around. At least for the most part. One or two at best had good franchises walking in the door. But even at that, their teams were in total disaray.
You also forgot to mention that these guys (except Petrino) were given full control. So is it a matter of a losing franchise or giving a HC too much control??? Seeing as I think your never usually going to see a new HC hire unless it's a crappy situation I tend to not omit the later as quickly.
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So while I accept your college coach list as accurate in very recent history, I in NO WAY feel it's inclucive to the overall "big picture".
First of all Brown, and Walsh weren't on my list of "recent history", but rather the long term.
But let's look at the list and see what situations they inherited...
1. Johnson.......no need to debate.
2. Switzer........again a good situation no need to debate.
3. Coughlin......Ok bro, so going to the AFC Championship game with a 2nd year team isn't a success??? BS. You know it was a success in Jacksonville, but you don't want to admit it.
Your basic arguments against hiring a college HC if I have read right are........
1.They don't fair well coming into losing situations...lol......well duh who does. However, you totally forgot about Jimmy Johnson and Coughlin.....both inherited a mess and both did it within the past 15 years. Now let me ask you a question.......how many coordinators or retreads have come into a mess and failed over the past 15 years??? Break it down by percentage and see what you come up with........I bet it's pretty simular to the failure rate of college coaches.
2. The recent coaches have failed due to a change in the game. This is a legitimate argument, and you might be right. However, don't forget that alot of these guys were also made head of football ops and given full control of player personnel. So do you think maybe some of these guys might have had success if only made the HC only?? I mean I always thought Botch the GM killed Botch the coach.......how about you??
I am not endorsing signing a college coach, but what I am totally against is telling a GM who he has to hire for his HC, or giving a HC full control. Imo those have been tried here and have both failed miserably. Lerner needs to decide who he wants to be GM and then let him pick his guy, and stay the hell out of the way.
Mangini with full control scares me alot worse than Farentz with a GM.
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I'll play...
First, it obviously depends on who you are interviewing. The GM will get a different set of questions than the head coach. If it's the GM, I'm asking what role(s) he sees himself playing before I outline my vision for him. Then, I'm asking about the acquisition of talent. Philosophy? How to get it? Where to get it? When to get it? Most importantly, in the case of the Browns, I'm asking about relationships. The GM's relationship with the HC and his staff, with me the owner, and with the fans. What will those be like and how do you foster each successfully?
If I'm interviewing the HC, I'm asking about schemes and personnel. Aligning one to fit in with the other. I'm asking about preparation. I'm asking about management, in-game, pre-game, post-game. I'm asking about leadership. How are you going to get the best from Braylon Edwards or Kellen Winslow? What would you do with Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn? Make it as specific to our situation as possible.
And then just pray to god you get it right this time Randy. Because this is the last chance for you to give this town a winning team. No one is going to put up with another losing campaign.
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Ok Daman, let me pose this question and anybody else who wants to answer can chime in....
We all, by now, are pretty familiar with the candidates (coaches and GMs) and their resumes... so you get them into Daman's big office for the interview... What do you ask them? What are you looking for? What is it you want to hear that makes one candidate better than another?
What's your motivation behind wanting to be the HC/GM/Coach/whatever for this storied franchise?
Answer: I want to be the man that leads this team to a Super Bowl..for you, for ALL the fans...the one who are passed, the ones who are in the seats now and the ones yet to come. I want to win for this whole city! I'm the man
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I won't go into the questions but here's what I want to hear: I want to hear how they're going to give the Browns an identity. I want to hear how they're going to work with the Head Coach/GM. I want to hear how they are going to instill discipline into the players. I want them to have a plan.
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What's your motivation behind wanting to be the HC/GM/Coach/whatever for this storied franchise?
Answer: I want to be the man that leads this team to a Super Bowl..for you, for ALL the fans...the one who are passed, the ones who are in the seats now and the ones yet to come. I want to win for this whole city! I'm the man
that can restore respect and honor to the Cleveland Browns!
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Let me just say that I am not a fan of the HC having all the control.
However, if we want to guarantee that the HC is getting the players he wants, wouldn't it make sense if he was the one calling the shots?
Get someone in here to run the business side of things, including salary cap, contract negotiations, etc. But, when it comes to getting the players, let the HC decide who he wants.
The problem I see, though, comes with free agency. Yeah, you build through the draft, but you can get those last few players you need in FA. For example, Rogers. He's a proven commodity and fills a big hole for us. That lets us concentrate on other areas in the draft.
I'm not sure a HC who calls all the shots would pursue guys in FA really hard. I have no proof of that, but it's JMHO. I guess that goes to why having a HC in control of everything doesn't work. He doesn't have the time necessary to concentrate on every aspect.
You don't have a HC who is also both the offensive and defensive coordinator, and only a select few can pull off being HC and one of the coordinators. If you surround yourself with people you can trust and who have the same sets of beliefs as you, that's what leads to success.
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Technically,Henning was a pro OC before he become HC,so he shouldn't be on your list.I also think he was an NFL HC before he was a college HC.Anyway,he wasn't a good HC anywhere.
Jack Pardee was a HC in the NFL and the USFL long before he was a college coach.I don't think he ever went back to the NFL after college,so he should n't be on any list.
It's a losing proposition hiring a 1st time HC from anywhere.Stay away from the "hot commodities" go with someone who has been sucessful over a period of years and you'll increase your odds of success.
Ferentz fits that profile,and to a lesser degree so does Mancini.
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There are players off that 2004 Browns team,that are still producing in the NFL.
Like who? Ross Verba at Left Tackle? Lee Suggs and William Green at running back? Gerrard Warren?
Over half of the players on the 2004 team are no longer in football anymore anywhere and the 2007 team rewrote much of the historic Browns record book:
4 Phil Dawson, K 5-11 200 1/23/75 6 Texas
5 Jeff Garcia, QB 6-1 200 2/24/70 6 San Jose St.
5 Josh Harris, QB 6-1 238 9/9/82 R Bowling Green
8 Derrick Frost, P 6-4 210 11/25/80 1 Northern Iowa
10 Kelly Holcomb, QB 6-2 212 7/9/73 8 Middle Tenn. St.
12 Luke McCown, QB 6-3 212 7/12/81 R Louisiana Tech
19 Frisman Jackson, WR 6-3 220 6/12/79 3 Western Illinois
20 Earl Little, DB 6-1 205 3/10/73 7 Miami Fla
21 Lewis Sanders, DB 6-1 210 6/22/78 5 Maryland
22 Michael Jameson, DB 5-11 205 7/14/79 4 Texas A&M
23 Adimchinobe Echema, RB 5-10 226 11/21/80 R California
24 Robert Griffith, S 5-11 200 11/30/70 11 San Diego St.
25 Chris Crocker, DB 5-11 194 3/9/80 2 Marshall
28 Leigh Bodden, DB 6-1 200 9/24/81 2 Duquesne
31 William Green, RB 6-0 215 12/17/79 3 Boston College
33 Daylon McCutcheon, CB 5-10 190 12/9/76 6 USC
34 Michael Grant, DB 6-1 205 7/10/80 R Mars Hill
35 Dyshod Carter, CB 5-10 195 6/18/78 2 Kansas St.
37 Anthony Henry, CB 6-1 205 11/3/76 4 South Florida
39 Mike Lehan, CB 6-0 190 11/25/79 2 Minnesota
40 Ben Miller, RB 6-3 265 8/18/79 1 Air Force
42 Terrelle Smith, FB 6-0 255 3/12/78 5 Arizona St
44 Lee Suggs, RB 6-0 210 8/11/80 2 Virginia Tech
48 Sherrod Coates, LB 6-2 242 12/22/78 2 Western Kentucky
49 Keith Heinrich, TE 6-5 260 3/19/79 3 Sam Houston
50 Jeff Faine, C 6-3 303 4/6/81 2 Notre Dame
51 Chaun Thompson, LB 6-2 250 5/22/80 2 West Texas A&M
52 Brant Boyer, LB 6-1 240 6/27/71 11 Arizona
53 Mason Unck, LB 6-3 235 9/7/80 1 Arizona St
54 Andra Davis, LB 6-1 255 12/23/78 3 Florida
55 Barry Gardner, LB 6-1 245 12/13/76 6 Northwestern
56 Eric Westmoreland, LB 6-0 233 3/11/77 4 Tennessee
57 Warrick Holdman, LB 6-1 235 11/22/75 6 Texas A&M
58 Ben Taylor, LB 6-2 245 8/31/78 3 Virginia Tech
59 Kevin Bentley, LB 6-1 240 12/29/79 3 Northwestern
61 Gerard Warren, DT 6-4 325 7/5/78 4 Florida
62 Craig Osika, G 6-3 318 12/4/79 3 Indiana
63 Kelvin Garmon, G 6-2 350 10/26/76 6 Baylor
64 Ryan Pontbriand, C 6-2 255 10/1/79 2 Rice
65 Kirk Chambers, OL 6-7 313 3/19/79 R Stanford
66 Paul Zukauskas, OL 6-5 320 7/12/79 4 Boston College
67 Melvin Fowler, OL 6-3 305 3/31/79 3 Maryland
70 Enoch DeMar, OT 6-4 320 9/7/80 2 Indiana
72 Damion Cook, OT 6-5 335 4/16/79 3 Bethune Cookman
72 Ryan Tucker, OT 6-6 320 6/12/75 8 TCU
73 Joaquin Gonzalez, OL 6-5 315 9/7/79 3 Miami Fla
74 Nick Eason, DT 6-3 301 5/29/80 2 Clemson
75 Javiar Collins, T 6-6 322 4/13/78 4 Northwestern
75 Sterling Harris, OT 6-5 305 8/17/81 SMU
77 Ross Verba, OT 6-4 305 10/31/73 8 Iowa
78 Tyrone Rogers, DE 6-5 280 3/9/74 6 Alabama St.
80 Kellen Winslow, TE 6-4 250 7/21/83 Miami Fla
81 Antonio Bryant, WR 6-1 192 3/9/81 3 Pittsburgh
82 Steve Heiden, TE 6-5 265 9/21/76 6 South Dakota St.
83 Aaron Shea, TE 6-3 255 12/5/76 5 Michigan
84 Andre King, WR 5-11 195 11/26/73 4 Miami Fla
86 Dennis Northcutt, WR 5-11 175 12/22/77 5 Arizona
87 Andre Davis, WR 6-1 195 6/12/79 3 Virginia Tech
88 Chad Mustard, TE 6-6 288 10/8/77 3 North Dakota
89 Richard Alston, WR 5-11 215 11/20/80 1 East Carolina
90 Corey Jackson, DE 6-6 255 11/6/78 1 Nevada
92 Courtney Brown, DE 6-4 290 2/14/78 5 Penn St.
93 Michael Myers, DT 6-2 300 1/20/76 7 Alabama
94 Amon Gordon, DT 6-2 305 10/13/81 R Stanford
96 Kenard Lang, DE 6-3 280 1/31/75 8 Miami Fla
97 Alvin McKinley, DT 6-3 310 6/9/78 5 Mississippi St.
98 Ebenezer Ekuban, DE 6-3 275 5/29/76 6 North Carolina
99 Orpheus Roye, DT 6-4 320 1/21/74 9 Florida St
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That list actually made me throw up a little in my mouth.
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I want to hire a head of football operations, and then let him pick a guy who he is comfortable working with as a HC. I think this is the best formula for success, and avoids the mistakes that were made last time with the RAC/Opie situation.
Yeah..but I think we all know where this is going..Pioli+Ferentz..I don't think Lerner wants that.
He seems to want the experienced HC..
In some ways I agree..on one hand I want the GM to hire the coach..but the GM better know what that HC is capable of doing..on the other hand we've seen what inexperience can result in.
And let throw this out there...if Pioli were to hire Ferentz and the Browns still flounder because he's inept..what is everyone going to scream?
That Lerner should have never allowed the GM to hire that guy...
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I didn't ask him how...that'd come in the interview.
As an owner that's the first thing I'm looking for.
I first want a guy who "gets us" so to speak, knows the pulse of this city, this teams history.
Everone will say "I can do it"...he better show he undrstands the Browns history and how important it was/ is and what was accomplished here, by fans after our team got sold out from under us.
Basically, you're not winning for "you're" glory...you're winning for Clevelands.
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I know silly me...The two most successful dynasties over the last 30 years were put together by coaches who came from College HC jobs.
But we should put all considerations aside in some stereo type of College coaches.
Two out of how many? Buy what you're selling. That's fine with me. But this thread has shown how it's worked over the past twenty years. It's only obvious Bud.
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I agree and disagree...lol.
A HC should definitly have input on what type of player he wants to fit his system. If the organization is set up correctly (see Pukesburg) then the HC and GM are on the same page anyway, and the GM already understands what type of player his team wants. What I don't want is a HC who is picking the players without any checks or balances from other people............way too many responsibilities to all of them well.
So if you set up the organization the right way (let a GM bring in his guy) you don't have to worry about conflicts in philosophy OR one guying trying to do too much. This is why I say it's the best way to go............pick a GM and let him pick his HC.
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we all, by now, are pretty familiar with the candidates (coaches and GMs) and their resumes... so you get them into Daman's big office for the interview... What do you ask them? What are you looking for? What is it you want to hear that makes one candidate better than another?
First off, the only ones that make it to my BIG office are the final candidates.. one for GM and one for HC.
I put them in the room,, ask them to talk to each other about their plans. What they would like to see.. how they view building and sustaining a winner.
Then I shut the heck up and listen.
if I come away feeling that these two guys are on the same page, Then I wouldn't let either leave without an offer in thier hands and an acceptance in mine..
You see, as the owner and not a Football guy (as I think it's safe to say, Randy) the only think I can go with is what I see in the interaction between the two principle football guys.
What I think the Defense should be doesn't matter, doesn't matter if I think we should be in the WCO... that's for the FOOTBALL guys to decide.
And if they come to agreement on how the team should be run and if they seem to have a feasible plan to put in place to make it happen, then that's all I need to or should care about.
that and I have to believe them... I have to have a feeling that they can make whatever they, together, think should be done.
So me asking questions,, means nothing..
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O.k..lets put this out there..lets say that the sticking point is Pioli/Ferentz..
Is anyone going to pop RL if Ferentz should fail ?
I agree the GM should pick the coach but he shouldn't immediate hire his good buddy..he needs to look at other candidates as well...I would not let Shanahan just walk without talking to him if I were a GM..
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Kardiac, I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum.. I wouldn't ask a single specific question like what would you do with DA and Quinn... as the coach in the interview, that would lead me to believe you had a preference and if I picked the wrong one I might not get the job... as the coach I'd answer it this way... "I can't tell you off the top of my head, they both look like talented QBs, I'd have to get into some film and meet with them and go from there." That's all I'd give you and for most of these guys, that would be the truth.
I don't want to hire the coach of the 2009 Cleveland Browns, I want to hire the coach for the next 10 years so I'd keep it very general and my questions for the GM would be very similar... What do you think successful franchises do different than unsuccessful ones? How do you instill a winning attitude in a team that hasn't had much success in recent years? I'd also have my staff do some research so I could ask them specific questions about their own successes and failures and how they did certain things and what they learned from their failures and how they corrected it. I'd ask them about various other people they worked with and how they dealt with it (especially any difficult relationships they had like if they ever had to sit a player for disciplinary reasons). I'd ask them about division of responsibility and who they think should have the final say in drafting/roster/FA acquisition, etc. And then I'd watch all the body language and voice inflexion and everything else. I want a guy that walks like a winner, talks like a winner, sits like a winner, and just oozes that confidence that is unshakable even in the worst of times. I'd ask them about the staff they plan to assemble and that the personnel here is geared toward a 3-4 and stuff like that but I would stay away from specifics... If they are on OC or a DC I'd ask them how involved they plan to be on that side of the ball or if they will delegate full authority to somebody else.
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What about Russ Grimm?
Haven't seen him even mentioned? Granted I didn't read the entire thread.
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If Pioli indeed comes with the demand Ferentz be hired and we look no further
then he flat out doesn't come here!
That's the thinking that got Savagae fired!
Ferentz may well be worthy of an interview but to be held hostage wouldn't happen to me and I'd bet the farm Lerner either.
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Good point. So if Pioli is indeed wanting to just hire SF without going through the process then good for RL for not going that way. That is bad managment to not want to interview all possible candidates. However, if the rift is about RL wanting Mangini, or wanting to pick Pioli's HC then we are in trouble bro, becuase RL still doesn't get it.
I hope you might be on to something, and the rift is about Pioli not wanting to go through the interview process, and just hire Farentz. If that's the case than RL is doing the right thing. If it's the other though we are screwed.
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It is why I think the Pioli deal isn't all that near...there are some obstacles in the way that may be hard to remove.
I myself would rather have a good, solid coach first and foremost. and agree it should probably be a veteran guy...Mangini or Shanahan makes sense for us...then find a GM who can work with them..and if you can't find one, don't hire one until somewhere down the road.
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I agree, if and I highlight, IF, Pioli is demanding Ferentz without going through the process.. then as Lerner that would sound more like nepitism toward his old buddy than actually finding the right guy.. that would scare me. There are a lot of good football people out there, this isn't "hire your buddy" time.
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Jack Pardee wasn't a failure and made the playoffs numerous times with Oilers........doesn't count.
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Pete Carrol, Mike Nolan, June Jones, were all coordinators when they got hired in the NFL...not college coaches. So you want to add Bill Calahan to the list of successes too??...lol. It's kind of apples and oranges.
They were ALL "first time NFL HC's". Which is the subject unless I'm mistaken. And they were hired in the capcity of NFL HC based in large part from thier success as HC's in the college ranks.
You wish to sub categorize it after the fact? I don't want ANY rookie NFL HC. OC/DC OR college! So you're talking to the wrong guy there. Too much available talent to experiment, period IMO.
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Your basic arguments against hiring a college HC if I have read right are........
1.They don't fair well coming into losing situations...lol......well duh who does. However, you totally forgot about Jimmy Johnson and Coughlin.....both inherited a mess and both did it within the past 15 years. Now let me ask you a question.......how many coordinators or retreads have come into a mess and failed over the past 15 years??? Break it down by percentage and see what you come up with........I bet it's pretty simular to the failure rate of college coaches.
2. The recent coaches have failed due to a change in the game. This is a legitimate argument, and you might be right. However, don't forget that alot of these guys were also made head of football ops and given full control of player personnel. So do you think maybe some of these guys might have had success if only made the HC only?? I mean I always thought Botch the GM killed Botch the coach.......how about you??
I am not endorsing signing a college coach, but what I am totally against is telling a GM who he has to hire for his HC, or giving a HC full control. Imo those have been tried here and have both failed miserably. Lerner needs to decide who he wants to be GM and then let him pick his guy, and stay the hell out of the way.
Mangini with full control scares me alot worse than Farentz with a GM.
I spent like 5 hours one night researching the best pools of college coaches in terms of success.
Broke them up into, College HC's, coordinators, previous HC in NFL, Previous HC appearing in a superbowl, previous HC's in multiple superbowls.
And the farther i dug into the History of NFL coaches the more i realized I NEVER want to see my team get another college coach, they are by far the biggest crap shoot out of them all, besides couglin, Jimmy Johnson, and Dick vermil, and agruably switzer (who bombed after inhereting a winning team) there is epic falure all around.
Conversly, you can guess which pool of coaches was the best pool to pick . . . Coaches that went to superbowls then on to other teams had generally good success with a few flops, but less failure than previous coaching pools. But, . . . The list of coaches who have been to multiple superbowls is like the who's who of coaching, and throughout NFL history. coaches that have been to more than one superbowl have done no less than brought teams to respectability with thier next franchises. Even J.Johnson took the dolphins into the post season.
since cowher is evidently off the list . . . and if it was because he couldn't have control of personel we should all be pissed.
1. Billick
2.Shanahan
Giving the coach the last say on WHO they get to coach is nessisary and logical. Beacause we had Butch davis? another faild college coach? That is exactly like giving a 16 year old a 500hp supercar and a learners permit and saying, have fun and be careful. A recipe fore disaster. Giving those keys to a Proffesional racecar driver and do you expect the same outcome? No.
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It'll come out what the problem is..and I doubt it's anything we haven't thought of ..
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What's wrong with college coaches? We know what we're doing. In fact, I have been waiting for Lerner to return my cal to set up an interview. The only problem is Pioli and I aren't as tight as McKay and I are, so it looks like I'l be waiting until the Falcons are eliminated.  For our situation, I'm in favor of Mangini, Shanny, or Holmgren. The problem with Holmgren is that while there was expressed interest from both sides, there is so many reports about Holmgren being steadfast in taking a year off, that it might have cooled Lerner. I don't think we can point to college coaches as failing so often and include in that list coaches that spent time in the NFL before becoming HCs. The reason is that almost all coaches in the NFL have coached at the college level at some point and were first time HCs in the NFL at some point. It makes for a circular arguement. I will say that college coaches that are given full control is a recipe for disaster no matter the situation. No matter how well he may be able to coach, you are giving someone used ot having 80 some first round draft picks every year total control of a situation where he isn't going to be able to draw every top player. It's also easier to hide a miss at the colege level with the rosters being bigger than in the NFL, so missing isn't as damaging as it is at the NFL level. Any more questions will have to be deferred until Mr. Lerner and I conclude our interview. 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3806359Pats' McDaniels is third to interview with Browns Associated Press Updated: January 2, 2009, 4:57 PM ET * Comment * Email * Print CLEVELAND -- New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has interviewed with Browns owner Randy Lerner about Cleveland's coaching vacancy on Friday. The Ohio born and bred McDaniels just completed his third season overseeing the Patriots' offense and coaching quarterbacks. The 32-year-old former college quarterback was credited with transforming backup Matt Cassel into an effective starter after Tom Brady was lost for the season after injuring his knee in the opener. McDaniels is the third candidate to meet with Lerner, who spoke with fired Jets coach Eric Mangini on Tuesday and Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo on Thursday. Lerner is also scheduled to meet on Friday with Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker.
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I didn't know he was only 32... that concerns me and intrigues me at the same time...
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Not nearly as much in the right situation.
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For our situation, I'm in favor of Mangini, Shanny, or Holmgren.
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I don't think we can point to college coaches as failing so often and include in that list coaches that spent time in the NFL before becoming HCs. The reason is that almost all coaches in the NFL have coached at the college level at some point and were first time HCs in the NFL at some point. It makes for a circular arguement.
Which it is to a degree. It's simply the angle he was approaching it at, so I responded in kind. And as you'll notice, most everything I addressed pertained to "our situation". Which if I had to guess is a contributing factor as to who you feel has the best odds of success here as well. When you've been dysfuntional for a decade, nothing beats experience to right the ship.
The DC's and OC's just have a bit of a head start at the pro level. But to straighten up a mess? I think we both agree that better odds are gained via experience.
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I didn't know he was only 32... that concerns me and intrigues me at the same time...
I know a lot of people were worried about it in November.
It concerns me more than it intrigues me at 32.
JMHO
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I didn't know he was only 32... that concerns me and intrigues me at the same time...
It concerns me as well; I am somewhat less intrigued by it though. We'd have to add another assistant coach to the tree just to wipe behind his ears.
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And if the rumors are right about Pioli wanting Ferentz or McDaniels, we may not be the only one's concerned.
Maybe Randy has it right and not Pioli.
Just a thought.......
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I was thinking of guys like Jeff Garcia, Chris Crocker, Anthony Henry, Kevin Bentley, Antonio Bryant, Dennis Northcutt,Orephous Roye,Chaun Thompson..there could be more like Micheal Lehan and Melvin Fowler,I'm not sure...
Of course there are guys no longer playing in the NFL on that 2004 team.
Roster addition and subtractions are part of shaping a roster in the NFL.
But the truth is,Phil Savage did a poor job as a GM.
If Savage did such a great job as GM the Browns wouldn't be looking for a new GM as we speak.
Savage was a kind of "live for the moment" GM. He mortaged future draft picks for the present.
He wasn't as bright he thought he was.....Ozzie Newsome duped him good on Draft Day a couple years ago.
The 2009 regime is going to find starters that finish plays and put the team before themselves.
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It both concerns and intrigues me as well, but I kind of see it as a positive.
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Might be the only one who feels this way, but I want a young coach.
I like what Mcdaniels has been able to do with his qb's and my initial thought is that the guy must be a pretty descent coach.
If we can get a solid GM in here to pick up some talent and get some good coordinators in here I really wouldn't mind giving McDaniels a shot.
I don't know I tend to flip flop everyday. I just wish he would hire some people already, the suspense is killing me. And i'm really tired of watching the same stuff over and over again on ESPN.
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Mangini is young. But 32? How young is too young?
Especially having no NFL HC experience to boot?
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I agree, it's frustrating. I'm at a point where I really don't care...wake me up just after pick 4 in March and I'd be happy.
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