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Again how does any of this relate to my original post? And how does that make me an advocate of a college coach?
And I will bet you if one of these coach deficient teams hires the Spagnuolo/Heckert combination that they will win a super bowl before we do.
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Again how does any of this relate to my original post? And how does that make me an advocate of a college coach?
Well it "appears" as though speculatiuon is being used as fact in many of these posts right now. If so, Pioli would have came with the price tag of Ferentz. So that explains one such GM cast off. Would you have wanted Pioli with that price tag?
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And I will bet you if one of these coach deficient teams hires the Spagnuolo/Heckert combination that they will win a super bowl before we do.
How much?
We struck first and got the experienced guy. Just make sure you can afford to lose what you wager......
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Instead of just saying 9 of the last 11 superbowls were won by a coach in their 2nd HC job lets take a closer look at each of these coaches.
2008 NYG Coughlin - Went to the AFC Championship game in his 1st HC job with Jax.
2007 - Indianapolis Dungy - Went to the NFC Championship game in his 1st HC job with Tampa.
2006 - Pittsburgh Cowher - 1st HC job.
2005, 2004, 2002 New England Belichick 3rd HC job
2003 Tampa Bay Gruden - Went to AFC Championship game in 1st HC job in Oakland. Took over a team that had recently been in the NFC Championship game.
2001 Baltimore Billick - 1st HC job
2000 St Louis Vermeil - Went to the Super Bowl in his 1st HC job in Philly.
1999, 1998 Denver Shanahan
So even if I give you Belichick (it was his 3rd HC job but really only because of a technicality) then there are 2 out of the past 8 head coaches to win the Super Bowl who were in their 2nd HC job without at least making the Championship game in their 1st HC job.
Interesting. The same number of those 8 head coaches who were in their 1st head coaching gig.
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I would not have been happy with Pioli/Ferentz but would have been Ok with Pioli/McDanials though I am biased being a JCU Grad. Still not my top choice.
IF someone does hire the Spagnuolo/Heckert combination then PM me and we will discuss terms 
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I guess it's easy to pull and push facts in different directions to fit our own individual beliefs...
Here's the deal on mangini IMO,, he did a decent job in NY.. Took a pretty bad team the year before and made it a pretty good one in a hurry. Got them to be respectable pretty quick. It should be pointed out that he got the team to the playoffs also...
He was, by all accounts, an SOB to everyone including coaches, players and the press. Which, I'm sorry to say, is exactly what the browns need at this moment.. a real kick in the butt so to speak
I'm getting tired of our teams appearing soft and collapsing in games. Bet you are as well. Mangini seems like the kinda guy that could address that pretty well.
As for the whole GM thing. Looks as if both guys are going to be reporting directly to Lerner (there was an article about that, but it had to be deleted because of a vulgar reference) Basically, Randy is saying that they are equals and that they both report to him.
Personally I get the feeling that we aren't hiring a GM... I mean, not in the traditional sense that is. Not a GM like Savage anyway. not with absolute control.
Rather, it appears we are going for a more collabrative type of relationship between a personnel guy and a coaching guy.
it's a non traditional arrangement, but one that has been successful in the past.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you that you are wrong about mangini,, for all I know, he might end up being a bust for us. (I really don't have that feeling, but you know how that goes)
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This'll be interesting. Will Attack rip him to shreds or just ignore him? I'm thinking rip him to shreds.
Where's that soundbite of TO saying "get you're popcorn ready" hehe.
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Yet you would have been fine with a college coach?
Go figure........
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1st how does this relate to my post?
2nd I never said anything about being fine with a college coach. Though I don't remember ever specifically stating I was against hiring a college coach I have pointed out in several posts that the qualities of a good college coach and a good NFL coach are not the same (though certainly there is some overlap). But I am certain I never advocated hiring a college coach.
I am not now nor have I ever been in favor of or even fine with hiring a college coach. I am fine with hiring a 1st time coach from the coordinator ranks. With the caveat that he hires experienced coordinators. Feel free to scan my previos posts and to point out where I say anything different.
My preference out of the guys we interviewed was Spagnuolo with Heckert as our GM which I have clearly stated several times in various posts.
Spags was my front runner until Mangini was fired. The thing about Spanuolo is the reporting of how unprepared he seemed in his interviews. Maybe he'd still make a good coach, but if your unprepared in the biggest interview of your life, similar trends may follow....
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I guess it's easy to pull and push facts in different directions to fit our own individual beliefs...
That is exactly my point. I am not saying Manigini was a bad hire. It is just that PitDawg threw out that 9 of the past 11 superbowls were won by a coach in his 2nd HC job. I just wanted to point out that it's not that easy and that there are different ways of looking at things. And that just because some writer noticed this little factoid that doesn't mean he is interpreting it correctly. I am not saying Mangini is a bad hire. I am saying Spagnuolo/Heckert was my 1st choice. I got criticised for not demanding that out new HC have prior head coaching experience in the NFL and I wasn't going to let PitDawg bully me 
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I'm getting tired of our teams appearing soft and collapsing in games. Bet you are as well.
Yes I am. Football is a man's game and too often we play like a bunch of girls.
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Personally I get the feeling that we aren't hiring a GM... I mean, not in the traditional sense that is.
Which is why so many of the "best" candidates are pulling their names out of the job search.
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I'm not going to sit here and tell you that you are wrong about mangini,, for all I know, he might end up being a bust for us. (I really don't have that feeling, but you know how that goes)
Again, I am not saying Mangini is a bad hire. I am right where you are. In the wait and see mode. As for now he has my full support because he is the head coach of our Cleveland Browns. I really hope he becomes another 2nd time HC to win the super bowl. Nothing would make me happier.
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Spags was my front runner until Mangini was fired. The thing about Spanuolo is the reporting of how unprepared he seemed in his interviews. Maybe he'd still make a good coach, but if your unprepared in the biggest interview of your life, similar trends may follow....
This is the 1st time I have heard anything about him being unprepared for his interview. I think I remember hearing that Lerner was impressed. But then again I think he said that about everyone he interviewed for the HC job except Tucker. Maybe Lerner was just trying to be politically correct.
Come to think of it, we really haven't heard much about any of the interviews.
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IIRC it was the Jets who reported Spags was unprepared not Randy.
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But then again I think he said that about everyone he interviewed for the HC job except Tucker. Maybe Lerner was just trying to be politically correct.
Hehe....What else could Lerner say?
"Sheesh, well, THAT guy was a [censored] idiot."
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I completely agree, Bodden is no Nate Clements. But I would bet almost all of us would agree Clements is no 8 year/80 million corner. Corners make too much in free agency for us to bring in a legitimate corner. Someone mentioned linebackers being much cheaper in FA, I agree and think we should try and land a quality backer in free agency rather than a corner.
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I completely agree, Bodden is no Nate Clements. But I would bet almost all of us would agree Clements is no 8 year/80 million corner. Corners make too much in free agency for us to bring in a legitimate corner. Someone mentioned linebackers being much cheaper in FA, I agree and think we should try and land a quality backer in free agency rather than a corner.
While I do agree with out about corners making WAYYY to much money, and LB's being cheaper in FA.....there are many more prospects in the draft at the LB position this year than there has been in a long time....I see potential starters all the way into the 3rd round........the problem I think we are gonna have is trying to fill all of the holes we have on defense.....I think keeping Holly is the answer for us this year, and maybe trying to find a DB project late in the draft, or maybe trading for one somehow.....but Holly is a decent corner, at least he was before the injury.......and having Holly, Wright and McDonald is a better than average crew......I think with a beefed up D line, upgrade the LB's, improved scheme......and the current secondary, we could be contenders...not a top 5 D, but good..... 
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I forgot to say......I don't think we mess with Bodden at all....like you said, he will want to much money......!!!!
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I hear ya Jester... keep your fingers crossed....
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I completely agree, Bodden is no Nate Clements. But I would bet almost all of us would agree Clements is no 8 year/80 million corner. Corners make too much in free agency for us to bring in a legitimate corner. Someone mentioned linebackers being much cheaper in FA, I agree and think we should try and land a quality backer in free agency rather than a corner.
While I do agree with out about corners making WAYYY to much money, and LB's being cheaper in FA.....there are many more prospects in the draft at the LB position this year than there has been in a long time....I see potential starters all the way into the 3rd round........the problem I think we are gonna have is trying to fill all of the holes we have on defense.....I think keeping Holly is the answer for us this year, and maybe trying to find a DB project late in the draft, or maybe trading for one somehow.....but Holly is a decent corner, at least he was before the injury.......and having Holly, Wright and McDonald is a better than average crew......I think with a beefed up D line, upgrade the LB's, improved scheme......and the current secondary, we could be contenders...not a top 5 D, but good.....
I agree with all those points.
I think the biggest question with our secondary is going to be what they do with Sean Jones. If I'm not mistaken there isnt much out there at safety in free agency. Pete Carroll just said Taylor Mays is coming back to USC. Considering that I would welcome Jones back despite an injury riddled season. He had played comparably, numbers-wise at least, to other top safeties in his previous two seasons. I don't think he is nearly as much of an impact player as Reed, Troy, or Sanders but Jones is always quick to point out his numbers match up.
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