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That makes me feel better...thought I was missing something!

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I'm not buying into this dude until he proves it on the field.




I'm with you on that one, I'll get excited about him when I see a competitive team on the field.


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I still don't see who else you wanted him to interview.




Off the top of my head, Shanahan, Schwartz (who cancelled when Lerner's infatuation for Mangini was clear), Raheem Morris, Rex Ryan, Leslie Frasier just off the top of my head. You can't possibly tell me that interviewing two other candidates (and one Rooney Rule candidate) than the guy you hire in 9 days after you fire your head coach consistitutes due diligence.

Face it, he fell in love with Mangini and everything else went out the window.




Shanahan has made it clear that if he coaches in 2009, it's going to be with the Cowboys or some other high profile job. Not here.

The rest are coordinators who have no experience. Mangini was really the best canidate out there. Mix of experience, youth and a diciplinarian.

Is it going to work? I have no idea, but he has the makeup for it.


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Boy, I sure am glad Randy took his time to make sure Mangini was the best candidate. A whopping 9 days after Romeo was fired and 8 days after Mangini was fired, we have a new coach.




It's over now. How long we gonna have to listen to you keep whining?


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How long did Randy know he was going to fire RAC? We had threads the 3rd week of September saying it was time to part ways, so I am guessing that he figured out earlier than the day he fired him.

But, we do not know what the process was...if he had been going through candidates and figuring out which ones he wanted to interview, he may have made several cuts before we ever heard a name mentioned. Then, when Mangini was fired, he may have interviewed him and thought he was better than his other alternatives and snapped him up before anyone else could. So, don't be so quick to judge.

And, I liked Schwartz as well, but it does not speak highly of him to pull out of consideration just because Lerner was leaning towards Mangini. Pittsburgh was leaning towards Whisenhunt when Tomlin came in for his interview and blew them away. Or Lerner simply told him that he was going to hire Mangini and to spend his time preparing to beat Baltimore, I do not know.


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Boy, I sure am glad Randy took his time to make sure Mangini was the best candidate. A whopping 9 days after Romeo was fired and 8 days after Mangini was fired, we have a new coach.




It's over now. How long we gonna have to listen to you keep whining?




I'm not gonna whine. In fact, I think there could have been a much worse hire. This was a "safe" hire IMO.

Now, someone please sell me on him so I feel better than just cautiously optimistic.

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It makes me wonder what the rush was?





Please don't take this personally Bones,,,,

But what the heck does time have to do with it.. if you find the guy you want.,... HIRE HIM.

Lerner looked at several candidates.,, it's not like he looked at one guy and said,, yup, that's my guy...

It's funny, but if Mangini looked like the guy he wanted and he didn't go and get him when he did, had Mangini taken a different job, then people would be yelling at Lerner for taking to freaking long to make up his mind..

I don't think Lerner will EVER win with this crowd...


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First everyone wanted "experience', then "NO COORDINATORS"!
Then we hire a fairly experienced guy and suddenly everyone wants to
interview rookis candidates again?!

Shanahan apparently wasn't very interested as goes for Marty. Cowher politely bowed out early, unless you want Martz, Fassil, Billick, or a host of other retreads I"d say deal with it!

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Like I said, maybe Shanahan didn't want to come in for an interview because he's going to skip the 09 season. You can't be mad Shanahan wasn't brought in without knowing everything that went on behind the scenes.

As far as the other candidates, that's your list...not Lerner's. And since he's the owner, it's his call. My list would look a lot different than yours. Ammo, DC and Daman might have only two people on theirs. Who to say anyone's list is wrong, you call who you like and see what happens.

And like CanadaDawg said, maybe Lerner wanted to make HIS pick before someone narrowed the list for him. Just waiting 3-10 more days and interviewing 2-4 more guys doesn't do any good if you already know your next head coach is.

I can't speculate why nobody else interviewed Mangini....maybe Lerner had a handshake deal with him from the beginning and Mangini turned some interviews down. I can't begin to guess any further, I'm not in his inner circle of friends.


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I thought we had to interview a minority candidate first.

Oh well none the less...

WELCOME ABOARD MANGINI!!!!

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We did, his name is Tucker.

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I thought we had to interview a minority candidate first.

Oh well none the less...

WELCOME ABOARD MANGINI!!!!

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We interviewed Mel Tucker for the HC position.

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Ammo, DC and Daman might have only two people on theirs. Who to say anyone's list is wrong, you call who you like and see what happens.





I had several that I wanted him to talk to:

Mangini
McDaniels (they talked)
Cowher (they talked) He clearly did'nt want to coach this year...
Ryan (don't know if they talked)
Spagnoulo (they talked)
Marty (lerner didn't have him on his list apparently)
Shanahan (when he because available, I thought that would be good) he rejected the overture to speak with Randy...


I didn't have Mel Tucker on the list,, but Randy spoke with him anyway..

So the man wanted to speak with 7 guys, he actually interviewed 5 that I'm aware of (might have been six if Ryan interviewed and I don't think he did)

He found his man,, for better or worse,, the deal appears done.


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I wonder if we can get a Callahan-OC/Crennel-DC coup. That would be like 3 former NFL head coaches in our top 3 coaching positions.


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It makes me wonder what the rush was?





Please don't take this personally Bones,,,,

But what the heck does time have to do with it.. if you find the guy you want.,... HIRE HIM.

Lerner looked at several candidates.,, it's not like he looked at one guy and said,, yup, that's my guy...

It's funny, but if Mangini looked like the guy he wanted and he didn't go and get him when he did, had Mangini taken a different job, then people would be yelling at Lerner for taking to freaking long to make up his mind..

I don't think Lerner will EVER win with this crowd...




I did not say anything negative about Lerner.

In response to your question with time having anything to do with it? I was refering to the possibility of Kokinis being paired with Mangini and why not announce them at the same time? I was talking about the "rush" with the announcement, not the rush to choose a coach.

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Eric Mangini will be announced Head Coach



So does this mean the DC job is Romeo's?

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I was talking about the "rush" with the announcement, not the rush to choose a coach.




that's obvious, Randy reads the board and he wanted to stop the speculative talk and try to get everyone to rally around Mangini.


(hey, I could be in the media with speculation like that)


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I did not say anything negative about Lerner.




I really did ask you not to take it personally,, but the reason was because you asked that question but Spectre was already jumping on Lerner for this hire..

Sorry if you took my thinking as a direct hit to you,, it really wasn't meant that way Bones.....


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Thats what it was...I should have thought of that.

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So does this mean the DC job is Romeo's?




I'm guessing no....but we'll see in the press conference tomorrow. No doubt that question will be asked. Along with:

1. Who is your starting QB?
2. What are you going to do with the other QB?
3. Can you beat Pittsburgh?
4. Who is our GM?
5. Who are your other coordinators?
6. Were you impressed by Brett Favre's passion for the game? - no doubt asked by Brett Favre himself to keep his name fresh in the news


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I really did ask you not to take it personally,, but the reason was because you asked that question but Spectre was already jumping on Lerner for this hire..

Sorry if you took my thinking as a direct hit to you,, it really wasn't meant that way Bones.....




No, I didn't take it that way at all...I just wanted to clear it up so it didn't look like I was jumping on Lerners decision. No worries!

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So does this mean the DC job is Romeo's?




Not at all... The big problem with Romeo is that Mangini might not want the old HC hanging around. If they get along well and can make it work, I think it would be alright though. The nice thing about Mangini and Romeo is they could really work on making the 3-4 here. Proper staffing for the D would be important though, and that rests on a GM....

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I'm indifferent. I don't know about this one.

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I'm indifferent. I don't know about this one.




I was excited about butch and indifferent about rac. So, I'm unsure what to think too.


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I would have been happy with either him or McDaniels. Here's to Mangini being the next Belichick instead of the next Romeo.

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another defensive dude that served under Belleyache.
Is the 2nd time the charm?

He's our guy and I'll support him until such time as he doesn't warrant it.
Here's to a long and successful tenure as our coach. :cheers:


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Welcome to Cleveland, Coach Mangini...

Now, get to work turning this team around.

Next up, a GM...this will take some time as Kokinis Interview is not until Sunday. The guy from Philly could be a possibility too.

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As for the Rooney rule, I find it interesting that blacks make up about 13.4% of the population. http://blackdemographics.com/ (from 2007)

Black coaches in the nfl make up 22% of the head coaches, as of 2006 - in 2007 it was 19%.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2552450

And black players made up 66% of the league in 2007. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3555896&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Do we really need the Rooney rule anymore? Mandating that teams interview a minority (how do you suppose Mel Tucker feels now, being the token interview?) The Rooney rule may have been good for a bit, but is it needed now? It's goal was to get minorities into positions to get jobs. That has happened.

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The good positive out of all this is Mangini has had two successful seasons in where his team was above 0.500.

If we can do that, OMG... lol..

O yea... BEAT THE STEELERS!


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Ammo, DC and Daman might have only two people on theirs. Who to say anyone's list is wrong, you call who you like and see what happens.





I had several that I wanted him to talk to:

Mangini
McDaniels (they talked)
Cowher (they talked) He clearly did'nt want to coach this year...
Ryan (don't know if they talked)
Spagnoulo (they talked)
Marty (lerner didn't have him on his list apparently)
Shanahan (when he because available, I thought that would be good) he rejected the overture to speak with Randy...


I didn't have Mel Tucker on the list,, but Randy spoke with him anyway..

So the man wanted to speak with 7 guys, he actually interviewed 5 that I'm aware of (might have been six if Ryan interviewed and I don't think he did)

He found his man,, for better or worse,, the deal appears done.




To follow up to further disprove the guy accusing us...

Cowher
Marty
McDaniels
Shanahan
Mangini
Spags

(in no particular order)

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3. Can you beat Pittsburgh?





He can smile for that one and say that he's already done that.

In fact, he's beat Pittsburgh more times than RAC as HC and he had 1/8 the chances.


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I agree, I want/wish him to be a success but only time will tell

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I still don't see who else you wanted him to interview.




Off the top of my head, Shanahan, Schwartz (who cancelled when Lerner's infatuation for Mangini was clear), Raheem Morris, Rex Ryan, Leslie Frasier just off the top of my head. You can't possibly tell me that interviewing two other candidates (and one Rooney Rule candidate) than the guy you hire in 9 days after you fire your head coach consistitutes due diligence.

Face it, he fell in love with Mangini and everything else went out the window.




Shanahan has made it clear that if he coaches in 2009, it's going to be with the Cowboys or some other high profile job. Not here.

The rest are coordinators who have no experience. Mangini was really the best canidate out there. Mix of experience, youth and a diciplinarian.

Is it going to work? I have no idea, but he has the makeup for it.




Raheem Morris?!?!?!?! Leslie Frazier?!?!?!?!?!?!

Let's see who Lerner did contact, if not interview:

Cowher
Holmgren
Schwarts (who you have heard RUMORS canceled because of Lerner wanting Mangini, nowhere has that been verified)
McDaniels
Spags
Shanny (who wasn't going to come here without full control as he had in Denver)
Mangini
Tucker (Rooney Rule)

That's 7 people he looked seriously at and contacted. Now, narrow down the qualifications he had in mind about wanting experience. Who do you have?

Mangini
Cowher
Holmgren
Shanny

Cowher said wait a year and I'm interested. Shanny had little interest and wants full control, and Holmgren was interested and I'm not sure why it didn't go further, but I'll find out from a friend

Looks to me like he did have "due diligence" and narrowed his choices to the criteria he was looking for and hired the one that wanted to be here and had what he wanted.

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Only person that would have made everyone completely happy for the most part is Shanahan. But I question his personnel decisions, i.e. "Browncos".

Mangini has HEAD coaching experience, and I think he was a solid choice.

I hope Braylon is ready to get CHEWED OUT by the manGENIUS from time to time. LMAO


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As for the Rooney rule, I find it interesting that blacks make up about 13.4% of the population. http://blackdemographics.com/ (from 2007)

Black coaches in the nfl make up 22% of the head coaches, as of 2006 - in 2007 it was 19%.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2552450

And black players made up 66% of the league in 2007. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3555896&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Do we really need the Rooney rule anymore? Mandating that teams interview a minority (how do you suppose Mel Tucker feels now, being the token interview?) The Rooney rule may have been good for a bit, but is it needed now? It's goal was to get minorities into positions to get jobs. That has happened.



I agree. At this point, it's just reverse discriminatory.

About Mangini, a week ago had you asked me what I'd feel about him being our next head coach, I'd be extremely disappointed. I'm really warming up to it though.

Take a look at how Atlanta went about the interview process last year. Blank and co. went around interviewing a lot of candidates, and ended up with someone (Mike Smith) who wasn't on ANYBODY's radar. 2008 Coach of the year....

I'm trusting Lerner's judgement.

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I agree his discipline and experience are 2 plus' to me along with the fact that he had 2/3 winning seasons there.

we couldve done alot worse

Now they better be announcing a GM hiring Friday though.........


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He beat New England twice. - So yes, he can definitely beat pittsburgh.

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I really believe it was Savage that screwed this thing up, particularly the D by not getting RAC the guys he wanted/needed. Consequently, RAC as DC isn't all that off base for me.
There's an article on PFT about Mangini already speaking with Jets assistants about joining him in Cleveland. If the Jets don't hire Callahan as HC, the Mangini, RAC, Callahan team doesn't seem out of the question. RAC and Callahan might be just the "old hands" a relatively young HC needs. As for GM, IMO Heckert might be the better pick than Kokinis.
Let's give the new coaches and GM a chance.
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I support this move. Good luck Mangini, you'll need all you can get.




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Eric Mangini
Date of birth January 19, 1971 (1971-01-19) (age 37)
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Eric Mangini (born January 19, 1971 in Hartford, Connecticut) is the current head coach of the Cleveland Browns and former head coach of the New York Jets of the National Football League. At the age of 37, he was the youngest coach in the four major North American major professional sports leagues.



[edit] Early life
Mangini is a graduate of Bulkeley High School in Hartford, Connecticut and Wesleyan University in Middletown, Connecticut, the son-in-law of renowned sports agent Ronald M. Shapiro, and the brother-in-law of Cleveland Indians general manager Mark Shapiro. He played football in high school as a linebacker and later at Wesleyan University. Mangini played nose tackle at Wesleyan and set a school record with 36.5 career sacks, also ranking second in school history in total tackles. Mangini coached a semi-pro team in Melbourne, Australia during a semester abroad. His former head coach Bill Belichick of the New England Patriots graduated from Wesleyan as well, and the two were brothers in the Chi Psi Fraternity, separated by two decades.

Mangini worked his way up in the NFL under the tutelage of Bill Belichick. He began his career as a ball boy with Cleveland at the age of 23, and later became an intern in the public relations. While working as a ball boy, he was often quoted as saying "no job is too small in the NFL."[citation needed] He worked 18 hours a day in the PR department, and at night he took copies of stats in the copy room. Bill Belichick, at the time the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, found him there, and liked him so much that he asked the general manager if they had another job for him. Mangini was given the job of fetching coffee for the Browns coordinators.


[edit] Coaching career

[edit] Assistant coach
Prior to coaching the New York Jets, Mangini worked for the New England Patriots under Head Coach Bill Belichick, first as their defensive backs coach (2000–2004), and later as their defensive coordinator (2005). Before that Belichick gave him a job as an assistant in the Cleveland Browns organization (1995). Mangini was part of the Baltimore Ravens' inaugural staff in 1996, where he was a quality control/offensive assistant coach. From 1997–1999, he worked with the Jets as a defensive assistant/quality control coach. That was also when Belichick was assistant head coach/defensive coordinator.


[edit] Head coach of the New York Jets
Mangini was named head coach of the New York Jets on January 17, 2006,[1] two days before his 35th birthday, beating out former Minnesota Vikings head coach Mike Tice, former New Orleans Saints head coach Jim Haslett, and New York Giants defensive coordinator Tim Lewis.

On September 10, 2006, Mangini made his regular season debut as head coach. The Jets were the victors in a 23-16 road win against the Tennessee Titans. Mangini was shortly after nicknamed the Penguin by Jets wide receiver Laveranues Coles. He is one of four head coaches to have a winning record in his first season with the Jets (Bill Parcells, Al Groh, and Herman Edwards are the others). Mangini finished his rookie season with a 10-6 record, the same as former Jets coach Herman Edwards did in his rookie year. Edwards received a higher salary after the playoffs.[2]

The Jets clinched an AFC wild card spot on December 31 by beating the Oakland Raiders at home by the score of 23–3, in the final game of the regular season. They would later go on to lose the Wild Card playoff game, 37–16, to the New England Patriots under Bill Belichick. Nevertheless, it marks a turn around orchestrated by the Jets and often injured quarterback Chad Pennington who overcame all odds after sustaining two rotator cuff injuries. Pennington finished the season setting career marks in yards, completions, and attempts, earning him honors as the 2006 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.

In recognition of the success Mangini had in his first season as head coach of the Jets, he was named 2006 AFC Coach of the Year at the NFL 101 Awards.[3]

The 2007 season under Mangini was less fruitful for the Jets, who went 4–12 during the regular season, failing to qualify for the playoffs.

The 2008 season started differently for the Jets, as they went 8-3, including a win over then undefeated Tennessee Titans. Through 11 games, The Jets were in control of their division and a first round bye. After that, the Jets managed just a 1-4 record which was not enough to make the playoffs and they finished third in their division.

On December 29, 2008, after missing out on the playoffs for a second straight year, Mangini was fired.[4]


[edit] Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns
On January 7th, 2009, a report was released indicating that the Cleveland Browns will hire Mangini as head coach.[5]


[edit] Personal life
Mangini and his wife Julie have three sons: Jake, Luke, and Zack. Mangini is known for naming his children after important figures in his career as a professional football coach. His first son, Jake Harrison, is named after New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison, and his middle child is named Luke William after Patriots head coach Bill Belichick.[6] His son Zack was born on Brett Favre's 39th birthday, and Mangini had promised Favre that he would name his son after the quarterback should he choose to sign with the Jets. As such, Mangini's third son is named Zack Brett.

The family owns a vacation home in Brewster, Massachusetts on Cape Cod[citation needed], and also a home in Harding Township, New Jersey. Cleveland Indians General Manager Mark Shapiro is Mangini's brother-in-law[7] and sports agent Ron Shapiro is his father-in-law and also currently represents him.[8]

Mangini also had a cameo role in an episode of the mob drama The Sopranos.


[edit] Head coaching record
Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
NYJ 2006 10 6 0 .625 2nd in AFC East 0 1 .000 Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Wild-Card Game.
NYJ 2007 4 12 0 .250 3rd in AFC East - - - -
NYJ 2008 9 7 0 .600 3rd in AFC East - - - -
NYJ Total 23 25 0 .479 0 1 .000
Total* 23 25 0 .479 0 1 .000

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