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So you dont think the National Championship should be between the top 2 teams in the nation?

Sorry....after watching the game I saw two very good teams but to be honest, I saw two tems that possibly weren't put to the challenge enough in their own conference. Not to put either team down, but the Big 10 was the Big 2 this year for sure. Sorry, the Big 10 isn't that tough.

JMO.

Until they play some sort of playoff...even if just 4 teams, it is the BSC.

As for other parts of the country not having a dog in the hunt....so what? They can't be a fan of football?

Illinois doesn't have a team in the hunt either. All the votes are going to be regional anyway. Fan votes are as bogus as they get. Kind of like all-star game voting.

The Bucks beat Michigan. Michigan should be the 3rd or 4th team in that game. Had it been the other way around, I could see it.... not this. Every other team to lose a game has dropped 2-3-4 slots minimum. This shouldn't be any different.

After the next 2 weeks UM won't be the #2.. USC will be.

I fail to see the issue.. OSU beat the #2 team twice already and they will do it again in January.

So you dont think the National Championship should be between the top two teams in the nation?

On PTI Urban Meyer said that if the BCS stays the way it is he says it's unfair to the whole country and the NCAA should schedule a playoff for this year.

USC or Florida vs. Ohio State a snoozer,....and I'll tell 'ya right now the team everyone is overlooking is Arkansas.

2119, a hundred times has said, we gotta let it play out first. Though it shouldn't be a problem the way they've played this year, even 'Peen will tell you Florida has to beat FSU first, and Arkansas has to beat LSU. If EITHER of them loses the SEC is OUT, because it won't do any good to beat a 2-loss team in the SEC Title game (JMHO). Likewise, it's slim and dim, pretty much impossible for The Irish---even if they trash USC.

I'll miss all of that though,...you guys call me on my cell, I'll be at a REAL playoff game Saturday in Youngstown. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

I know, I agree, there is still a lot of ball to be played. It will be interesting and controversial, that much we do know.

I agree.......but friend or not....something tells me you wouldn't be singing that tune had the Bucks lost. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


But they didn't, so it is a moot point.

Until they have a playoff, it is the BSC.


This isn't Gator pimping because I don't think they are playing that well to say for sure....this is honest non homer fan talk...just figure a way to let the top 8 teams play. There would be a whole lot less beaching if for the guy who finished # 9 than the teams at # 3 or #4. Nobody can really seriously argue that.

Just let them play on the field rather than be decided in the computer of some guy who never held a football after the age of 11.


I propose that as a "Man Law" <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

hell, what I've been thinking lately is to ru a playoff of all Conference champions.

Ya got what... 12-16 conferences or some garbage like that? Use the BCS to determine seedings but then run all Conference champs thru a playoff system.... in the end, one Champion that has EARNED the title.

I don't see that as working.....it's not like a 2 couldn't or shouldn't get in....plus...what about a team like ND??


Or.....your ways fine....I don't really care...just play the friggen games <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Had OSU lost I would have congratulated Michigan and their fans, and I would have said OSU did not deserve to be in the Championship game.

I would like to think when I purchase a regular season ticket that it means something.

This is moot as I think USC will be the number 2 team in two weeks. Then the #1 and the #2 are going to play are they not?

For example, say OSU was number 1 and Wisconsin was number 2 this year and they didnt play eachother, Wisconsin took a loss to Iowa though but were still clearly the #2 team. Every other team had 2 losses.

This could VERY easily have been the case this year, had Whisky not faltered vs. Michigan,....in such a scenario, these 2 would have been tied dead even for the Big Ten Title,...what then ?? I would suggest that, were they ranked as such by the BCS, that since they didn't play in the regular season, AND everyone else is still the same as it sits now--all with one loss, that they could both play in the NC. ??? The fracas would be if there was an undefeated Florida/ND/USC out there also,...then you'd have to go with a Big Ten tiebreaker,....????

I still say might....but knowing you, your intent is good so i will leave it at that.

It doesn't really matter anyway....what we say or want doesn't really matter.

I do agree. Mich will drop as other teams finsish up their regular seasons and championship game. Not to say the Gators will get there, but a win next Saturday over Fla St(be it a weak team) and a win in the SEC championip game will be enough to jump Mich.....the others??? Probably not if everything holds to form.

So you gotta root for ND too, don'tcha ??

I root for 3 college teams. The Gators, Buckeyes, and the local UTC Mocs. After that I just watch and figure whatever is going to happen will happen no matter what I think.

It doesn't mean I don't pick a side, but I don't go out of my way to watch or anything like that.

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Well, I made it to the bottom of page three. I tried reading all the posts but got impatient. I wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I also want to post that I'm a Toledo Rocket fan. I dislike OSU and UM. I had to watch their fans wear hats and coats all over Toledo even when Toledo was playing great. I was sick of those teams getting more press than Toledo. Anyway, this is how I see it playing out:

- If USC loses to UCLA or ND, its a rematch NC (doesn't mean I'm ok with it)
- If USC wins out, USC goes to the NC

Plain and simple.

I do think a rematch is a waste of time.....Why? Because then I spent almost 4 hours this past Saturday watching a meaningless game. I'd like to think that game meant something. That I watched a piece of college football history. If you rematch the teams for the NC, last Saturday's game becomes a footnote.

And those that say Mich only lost by 3 on the road, that last TD was in garbage time. OSU was playing back and letting you move the ball to kill the clock. They could have stopped that score if they had to. In my mind, you lost by 10 on the road.

I do agree with the concept that I would rather see Mich in the MC game for the sole purpose of ticking off as many people. This format is a joke. We need a "And 1" playoff. A 6, 8, 12, or 14 team tourney is an obsurd idea that will never, ever happen. An "And 1" tourney would work. Why?

- It only adds one more game to the entire college football schedule
- The BCS is still used (take the top 4)
- Each regular season game is just as important since being in the top 4 leaves little room for error
- After seeing 1 play 4 and 2 play 3.....there will be no doubt the best two teams are playing for the title
- The bowl format would essentially be the same, they would just need to add one more
- There would never be a split title

ALL...

as an OSU fan, i'd prefer to see another team in the NC...i already saw Michigan...not that the game wouldn't play out differently, but now both teams would have to vary their D gameplans, and offenses respond...it would be a gimmicky game, IMO...

as an anti-BCS guy, i hope for the rematch so as to [censored] off as many football powers as possible...

as a logical, pseudo-objective fan, i have a hard time understanding how Michigan gets 2 shots at the NC, while everyone else should only get 1. everyone talks about wanting playoffs...well, for 1 spot in the NC game, we had a semi-final...imagine the 2 best teams in the NFL were in the AFC and played in the AFCC...should the Superbowl invite the loser instead of the NFC winner just b/c they're perceived as the best 2 teams?...

PUNCH...

they wouldn't even need to add 1 more game...they already have for this year. the only difference(and i'm really starting to believe it WILL be next season) is that the participants won't be decided next year until New Year's Day instead of Dec 3rd.

PHIL...

so do you get to take away ANY one play to project the game out differently, or just 1 play that hurt the losing team? e.g. take away one of the unforced snap errors or questionable PI calls and the game doesn't progress the same, either...every play happened...and though 'dominated' or 'controlled' are overstatements, i (and these other Buckeye fans are describing the same feeling, IMO) had the sincere feeling that Smith and the offense would've done whatever they had to...they DID lose the momentum in the 3rd qtr, but the Pittman TD run snapped that, and every time Michigan threatened, Smith and OSU had an answer...no matter how the game played out in the 2nd half, the first half gave me that feeling...

this is one if the most interesting things I have read in awhile... did i read it rifght? You are ranked #2, it does not warrant Michigan a spot in the BCS championship game? But since a loss of 3 on the road to #1, makes it logical to award michigan to get a shot on a neutral field?

Wow, so much going on last night! 2119, ignore was too harsh a word and after signing off, I realized that. I didn't mean to imply you were dismissing it, just that you hadn't responded.

I probably need to clarify my stance. Right now, UM isn't worthy of a rematch, IMO. I think 2119 is right that games still have to be played. If USC wins out, they deserve the shot, IMO. They have a tougher overall schedule than UM and simply destroyed Arkansas.

Someone else mentioned it, so I'll expound on the computers.....the computers are actually the best thing in a very flawed system. The computer has no bias and doesn't have to watch the games. UM is still #2 because they simply are done with the season. USC, Florida, Arkansas, and ND still have games to play. UM will drop below 2 of them in the upcoming weeks, so all this talk is really a moot point.

Here in Ohio, we have a computer system for our playoffs. It works the best that is out there, IMO. I have seen things happen that some here are viewing as unfair (like ND getting in over UM because UM destroyed ND). It happens on occasion. The reason is the rest of the year. The computers factor in strength of schedule, which cannot be dismissed.

The bottom line is that unless USC would falter, Arkansas or Florida would lose before the SEC game, and all the stars align, we are all talking about something that really doesn't matter. The system sucks, but it's the system in place. Until it changes, it's the hand that's dealt.

Phil, everyone that's posted saying the same thing about their opinion is lying and you know what they really thought and how they'd react and feel had the outcome been different. That superiority complex and laughable arrogance is not only sad in political debate, but in your posts here as well. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

What I was saying is that in most cases losing this late in the season drops you down in the polls. But when your only loss of the season is to the #1 by 3 on the road and the other teams below have losses that are not nearly as good.

If this loss would have happened in week 1 we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Just heard a blurb on this morning's ESPN show about how USC is gonna blow right by Michigan and Florida if they win out; pretty impressive points, the gist of which centered around the weakness/strength of Michigan and USC non-conference opponents. And they did take into consideration the loss to unranked Oregon State. Didn't give either Arkansas or Florida the proverbial "ice cube's chance,..."

Nobody mentioned the close call to Ball State though.

Gonna be interesting,....

GO Trojans !!

I'm rooting for a rematch for one reason: PLAYOFFS! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Michigan could get in to the national title game and lose by 35 and I would still be happy. Why? Because the day two teams from the same conference play in NC game is the day the BCS will officially be dead. The perfect scenario would be a USC loss and Michigan holding off the SEC champ. If that were to happen, the system would get thrown out the window and we'd never have to have the whole "who's #2 discussion again."

I would imagine that even with all this crap/debate going on this year that they'd ahve to revise the whole system

I'm all for a playoff too, as long it's 8 deep. There ain't much doubt about it; as along as JT is alive, the Buckeyes are gonna be hovering somewhere within striking distance,.... <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

As an earlier poster stated, it will be a lot easier to defend having to tell # 9 to "go home" than it is currently is to tell # 3 -- "you can't play."

We'll still have to have a "system" to determine who those 8 are,...

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It is BSC until they do.

Can't argue that, unless you're 12-0,....(minus Boise State) <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I KNEW IT! AND I SAID IT WEEKS AGO ON THIS THREAD! MICHIGAN IS THE #2 TEAM!


THAT'S OKAY THOUGH, THE BUCKEYES WILL TAKE'EM AGAIN!

TOLD YOU SO!

You want a cookie or something??

Man I wish we had a 'loser' smilie face. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

It's okay bro. Don't sweat it.

Next time, instead of staying on the fence, take a stance of your own. That way, you would have something to be right about.

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LMAO - was I on the fence about something? I'm not even sure if I posted on this thread already - been in Flordia for a week so I know I havn't posted in a week

I do remember posting that UCLA would at least put up a fight against USC and that game isn't a gimmie... also remember posting that UM might be the 2nd best team in the nation but I personally thought they had their chance and since they didn't win their conference they don't have a right to play again

and I also took my stance saying that NO TEAM WILL BEAT OSU

So I could give a rats ass about who makes it there... and if you want to pick up your cookie GM will have it ready for you in the morning. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I'm just playin'

Theres no way I am traveling some 3000 or whatever miles to lose, GO BUCKEYES! Unstoppable Ohio State!
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LOL........as soon as USC lost, the talking heads justification for putting Florida in the National Championship game reached ridiculous proportions.

I hope they get their wish. I said before the Michigan/Ohio State game that they were the best two teams. Florida is okay, but they are not as good as Michigan. Sheesh, the Florida/Arkansas game is sloppy as hell. Those teams aren't close to either Ohio State or Michigan.

I think Ohio State will beat the snot our of Florida, the only thing that worries me is they have 50 days between games. That's ludicrous.

While I think Michigan is a better team, I hope we play Florida. Winning another NC takes precedence. That's kinda cowardly, but we would have beaten both of them anyway. We might put up 50 against the Gators. LOL

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I like the matchup of the Big 10 champ and the SEC champ and not a second place team. Florida played a much tougher schedule as well. Other than Notre Dame, what other quality wins did Michigan have this year? The 8 point win over Ball State at home?

I agree with you 100%. Michigan should be in. But, Florida will get the nod. The only thing that scares me about Florida is their coach. Urban Meyer led Utah to an undefeated season in '04. If Ohio State plays Florida, Meyer's expertise is the only issue the Buckeyes will have.

I agree - he's a heck of a coach... but I like Tressel <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

And with Leak I think we have a shot. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

Their best QB is Tebow and hell our defense sees a running QB every day in practice.

If we keep mistakes to a minimum we'll win against anyone