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Agreed, I'll take Tressel anytime when he has over 1 month to prepare for a team.

I like Meyer as a coach, but did you see his face during the second half? He looked tight as a drum. His mismanagement of the clock could have cost his team dearly. Lucky for him, the fish who represented the Razorbacks decided to field a punt over his shoulder at the 3. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

That was a bad game between two mediocre teams. But again, let's hope the BS hype for Florida gets them in the NC game. It will be an easy win.

Thats OK, Tressel was undefeated in 02 playing a coach who was 2 years being undefeated at the time, FEAR THE SWEATER VEST! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

No win is easy

but I think UF would be easier than UM... though I think our boys would be PUMPED to play UM agian.

INDEEEED!


I was christmas shopping yesterday. I was surprised not to see any apparrel shops selling OSU sweater vests.

Yeah I would like to get one myself. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Perhaps we missed the bus. We should have made some and sold them outside of the browns game tommorow. Darn it!

Ohh that would be a great idea! Guys are always selling a ton of "F Michigan" and anti-Steeler shirts, I am sure the Vests would sell like crazy.

I'd buy one

Florida beat Georgia by 7, Vandy by 6, S. Carolina by 1, FSU by 7.

Actually Michigan also beat Wisconsin by 14 who is ranked 7. Ball State is Michigans only real close game btw the rest weren't close.

UM beat what? one ranked team? (an over-rated ND)

UF beat 4 I believe, plus a good Kentucky team and at FSU

plus they won the SEC.

and you only beat PSU by 7, the NW game was close - and the Ball state game was closer than the final shows

No, they beat two top 10 teams, Notre Dame and Wisconsin and lost to the #1 team in the Country by 3.

That Kentucky team just so happens to be 7-5, while beating Mississippi State by 3,Louisiana-Monroe by 2, and Central Michigan by 9.

The Flordia State Team is 6-6 and also lost at Home to Wake Forest 30-0, Virginia 33-0, Boston College 24-19, and Clemson 27-20.


The Same Penn State team who got some votes to be in the top 25. Whose only losses were to #12 Notre Dame, #1 Ohio State, #2/#3 Michigan, and #7 Wisconsin.


But it really doesnt matter because we all know flordia is probably still goin to jump Michigan <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

FLA beat #5 LSU, #8 Arkansas (soon to be #15-18), #19 Tennessee and lost to #11 Auburn

UM beat #6 Wisc, #12 ND and lost to #1 OSU

FLA has the #1 SOS.

Michigan has the #3 SOS.

Michigan has been ahead of Florida the entire second half of the season in both polls. Beating a good but not great Arkansas team shouldn't change that. Florida has to move ahead of UM in one of the polls to close the gap........unless the voters are trying to avoid a rematch, it won't happen.

What's lost in all this mess is Oklahoma......who is possibly a botched replay call away from having a legit shot at a NC birth.

I think you can make an argument for either UF or UM but as I've stated earlier - Um will probably go... but I think UF should because they are a conference champ...

and I never even thought about OU - totally right Nas... but again - if they would have beaten UT they'd have a chance for a NC as well...

WOOO! IN TRESSEL WE TRUST!

Nas i will be the ONLY osu fan u will find on this site that wants OSU-UM on jan 8th!!

Poll Results
Question: Who should play Ohio State for title?

Thanks for voting! 53603 votes since Dec 2 2006
Michigan 55% 29222 votes
Florida 45% 24381 votes

From yahoo sports!

ESPN.com has it
57% UM
43% UF

after 110,305 votes

I just want the joy of beating MICHIGAN twice in 1 year <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Saw 'em today at Sportstown in Ytown.

I think either team has an argument but the conference champion debate can't be held against Michigan. Two other teams have gotten in to the game without being a conference champion......it wasn't held against them, why should it be held against UM? When the BCS was created, the talking heads deemed that it wasn't a neccessity (to be a conference champ) in order to get in to the game.......so IMO it shouldn't even be factored in to the equation.

The thing about Florida is they've been unimpressive all season. So beating an Arkansas team by 10, that lost by nearly 40 to USC, all the sudden makes FLA a better choice?

Florida was never in the equation from start to finish. A week ago they were the 3rd choice (1. USC, 2. UM)......they shouldn't become the first because of a 10 point win and a USC loss. FLA needed a muffed punt, a blocked punt and a HB pass to win by 10 points......If voters honestly think that should warrent a national title birth, then let them go get pounded by OSU.

If there wasn't an SEC championship game, Florida would have had ZERO chance to get in to the national title game. That's what's stupid about some conferences having them and others not. So Florida should have an extra game to impress voters? Michigan has been a much better football team throughtout the entire season, one extra game shouldn't change that.

The Coference championship shouldn't factor in this year... just saying that was my opinion that I don't think a non-coference winner (unless it's like ND) should be in the chapionship game... I think you have to win your coference first... then get a chance at the NC second. but that's just me.

And again it goes back to the 'styke' points... UF may not have won pretty but they won... UM had a shot at OSU and lost... and i'd be saying this if it was two SEC or ACC teams, but I don't see how you can have two teams from the same coference playing each other for a NC game especially when they have already played.

But who knows - we'll all find out tomorrow night.

Guys we can talk about this all night....there just isn't one answer or any real way to tell whos really going to go...

so screw it! cuz in the end it doesn't matter who OSU plays...the bucks will win <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Not sure what it means but Michigan and Florida actually did have a common opponent: Vanderbilt.

UM 27
Vandy 7

Florida 25
Vandy 19

I'm sure most of the computer polls would take that into account.

I'd prefer to see us play someone different than UM, but after watching the SEC championship game I think that we would destroy Florida. That was one ugly football game. I do think that OSU and UM are #1 and #2, but UM did have their chance so maybe someone else should get a shot. Tough call.

I think it is simple...Florida's one loss was to a ranked, worse team, so the game goes to Michigan.

As much as I would love to beat Michigan twice in a season...I don't want to win the Big-10 and lose the National Championship game...just don't like that risk.

Plus I would love to give something of an argument against "The SEC is the best conference in CFball"!

I just want a fair match up. What happens when Ohio State beats Michigan for the second time in a row? Everyone will say, ohhhh Florida should have been in there, not Michigan.

Michigan had their chance. Their National Championship game was 2 weeks ago, and they lost. It's unfortunate that the BCS set up is crap, but the fairest game is Ohio State vs. Florida. I just don't think it's right to throw Michigan a second chance without allowing another team a first chance.

Alright...then compromise and have either Oklahoma or Wisconsin play OSU for the National Title. Both teams are one loss teams from major conferences and should get as much consideration as Florida or Michigan. Wisconsin, while only losing to UM, isn't allowed a BCS berth, even though they are a top 8 team because no conference is allowed 3 teams in the BCS. Oklahoma lost one game on a disputed call or they would have a legitimate shot at the title. The primary reason they are not ranked higher is that Peterson has been out due to injury. With Peterson playing, Oklahoma would have been ranked up there with Florida, UM and USC. Florida or Michigan are not the only possibilities...

Have a playoff for all the 1 loss teams, plus Boise State (12 - 0) and let the winner of the playoff play OSU. That way all this BCS Bull Hockey would end....

We all know the BCS or BS system is about money. If it wasn't, there would be a playoff!

I can see points on both sides - Michigan lost to a better ranked team and Florida played a tougher schedule.

One thing is for certain, one team will get screwed, at least. Unless the football gods line up a Buckeyes win and a loss to the team left on the outside looking in.

Regardless of the order, what happens if there are three 1-loss teams? Or even if Michigan beats OSU? Shared title? Why or why not? Once again points on both sides.

Come 8:00 Michigan will be getting screwed.

Michigan deserves to play for the national championship.

But so does Florida. Regardless of who gets picked one team will be getting screwed here. I have a strong feeling it's going to be Michigan.

[color:"white"]Everyone knows the BCS is about money. So take for example that Michigan vs Ohio State this year was the highest tv rated regular season game since Florida State vs Notre Dame back in the early 90s. Higher ratings = higher profits. You would think that would carry over into a National Championship.[/color]

This is going to sound off the wall but I really believe what I'm about to say has some kind of bearing in who will get picked. As of 4:41 this morning there have been 241,468 votes on ESPN.com's poll with 52% favoring Michigan and 48% favoring Florida. But I'm going to take this a bit further. You've got pretty much the entire south saying Florida deserves to go. On Michigan's side you have mainstream america culture juggernauts of California and New York. And it's going to come down to who the voters side with in addition to which choice will yield the most money.

A lot who gets picked also goes into what the media is feeding the fans. A lot of fans out there, god bless their souls, will eat up anything the media says. And I've been reading a lot of "Florida plays the toughest schedule" and "Winning your conference should be a pre-requisite for playing in the national championship" and many other pro-Florida statement laden articles.

Good arguments. But how are you supposed to win your conference when your conference champion is the "best" team in the country whom only beat you by 3 in their home. The #1 team in the country is supposed to beat the #2 team in the country; especially if they are at home.

[color:"white"]Now let me clear up I'm not saying that what the media is spitting out is crap. Because it would be crap if they were saying the same things about Michigan.

You're a fool if you think that either of these two teams deserves a shot at the title anymore than the other. It's a coin flip. So when you hear anybody, pro-Michigan or pro-Florida, say that they deserve to play in the national championship more then the other just know that their idiots. Because both teams deserve it equally. And you can be sure there'll be half of the spectrum throwing a fit because their pick didn't get the shot, me included if it turns out that way. And they'll be right. Because somebody is getting screwed here no matter how you look at it, which is why the BCS has got to go come the end of it's contract.[/color]

A sweater vest and a beer head just seem to go together! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Ever since OSU beat Michigan, I have said again, and again, that Michigan should be in the National Championship. I think Florida makes a strong argument, but, I don't see Michigan getting voted out. Michigan remained #2 after OSU beat them, they didn't lose their status as #2 until USC beat Notre Dame. Since Michigan is currently 3, and the 2 team lost, Michigan will go back to #2.

J/C

All I will say is this..I was at the game and we are SEC Champs, ugly or not...


well...one other thing <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

A few years back I remember a team who won ugly all year long and if not for possibly the most fortunate flag in championship game history, would have lost to a team from Miami. Ring any bells??

Just something to think about ....now....

back to your mindless chatter. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

It means the same thing as Michigans 8 point win at home against Ball State....it just makes things murkier.

I dont think either team viewed the game on November 18th as anything other than a one loss elimination tourney. This year is goofy but playing Michigan again would make it MORE goofy.

All things the saem.....If we lost to U of M by 3 at their place...there would be kicking and screaming if we were even in the dicusssion for the NC game. Michigna hd a great year and I would love to see the OSU defenses response to Hart but Florida should get a shot. Not everybody is going to be happy today but that it what happens when you relinquish control fo your own destiny by losing.

Shut the hell up w/the mindless chatter BS! You are biased on the subject and I have no problem w/that, but please don't discount other people's opinions because it doesn't fit into your bias.

Truth be told...........I can't stand Michigan. The only team I dislike more is Notre Dame. I don't have any negative feelings toward Florida at all. None.

However, I stand by my statement that the second best team in the nation is Michigan. I said it a few weeks ago and I'm saying it again. They were better than USC even though the Trojans jumped them in the BCS. They are better than Florida, even though the Gators might jump them in the BCS.

I thought that the two best teams were supposed to play? That is what is supposed to happen. The only thing to change that is the human factor. And here's how it can happen:

---The humans won't want a rematch between the two best teams, especially because they are in the same conference. It would be more tolerable if they played each other earlier in the year and were in opposing conferences. But no way do the majority of voters want to have two Big Ten teams in the NC. For that matter, they would not want two ACC teams, or two Big 12 teams, etc. in the NC.

---There are humans who will penalize Michigan because they already had their chance. Many won't consider that the Wolverines only lost by 3 in Columbus. Think about it, how much closer could they have been?

---The media types--who were dissing Florida the last couple of weeks when they were supporting USC--is firmly behind Florida now. LOL. Anyway, they do influence the voters w/their slanted view.

---The SEC is a very loud conference. They are always talking about how great they are. Look at Tubberville, he starts campaigning earlier in the year.......I mean, the guy is talking smack. Their next game is against Buffalo. LOL, no not the Bills, the University of Buffalo. They then lose their next conference game.

Now, we have Florida's president and coach wolfing, talking about a playoff and an investigation if they don't get in....... while Carr takes the high road and says that he won't question the system because it wouldn't be good for the game of football. {A sidnenote here--------I have lived all over the country, and I'm telling you that the people in the midwest have the greatest character and are the finest people in the nation......and it ain't close. And no, I wasn't born in the midwest and I don't live there now}.

I will tell you this about SEC football. It's damn good, but I feel they had a down year. The quality of play in that conference was down this year. It was sloppy and inconsistent and if either Ohio State or Michigan would have been in that conference, they would have rolled through it!!!

Sorry for the tangent, but I actually believe the human factor could overcome the computer. Will it be the right thing to do? I don't think so, but doing the right thing to do isn't always done. Once again, I will say that I am an Ohio State fan and I think they have a much better chance of beating Florida than they do of beating Michigan for a second time. So, I have zero bias in saying that Michigan deserves to be in the National Championship, but they are the second best team in the country.


One last thing to consider. It's a different line of thinking, so free up your minds. <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

In this particular year, we have all heard a lot of debate about who is the second best team. There really hasn't been much debate about who was number 1, and there certainly is no debate now as to who is # 1! Think about that..............

.............I really don't think there should be a National Championship game. I think the Buckeyes have done enough to be National Champions. In the days before the BCS, Ohio State would have went to the Rose Bowl and played USC. If they lost, and the # 2 team would have won their Bowl game, than the # 2 team would be crowned as National Champions. Remember?

I just don't think any of the other teams have done enough to be considered a true contender to Ohio State in regards to being declared the National Champions. I felt the same way a few years ago when USC played Oklahoma. The Sooners had just been blown out by Colorado in the Big 12 Championship game. The NC game was a joke and USC throttled Oklahoma. I don't know.......I don't think that game should have even been played. USC was clearly the best team in the nation that year, and Ohio State is the best team in the country this year.

Why do I bring this up? Well.........a playoff amongst the 4 best teams that began right after the season would be cool w/me. However, Ohio State is going to have to [color:"white"] wait for 50 freaking days [/color] in between games. That is a joke! No way do you get the best out of a football team after such a long delay. The process is tarnished. It's wrong. It's about money. [censored] these conference title games that draw huge amounts of money. Take the best 4 teams at the end of the regular season and have a playoff. The rest of the teams can participate in bowl games like they have always done. The Championship game should be on Jan 1!

The Championship game this year is going to be a joke. And I don't care who gets in, because I don't think any team in the country even deserves the shot to beat Ohio State, and I'm mainly saying that because waiting 50 days to play in that game is insane!

Congrats on your conference title Ballpeen <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

I think florida should get the nod but there are going to be unhappy people no matter what.

A rematch would forever tarnish the OSU vs Michigan rivalry. Having that happen due to the BCS is a bigger tragedy than either one of the one loss teams being left out.

good luck

-JC-

Outside of Florida vs Michigan for a play-in game, one team is getting screwed. Both teams have arguments of why they should be in the game. There needs to be a playoff and maybe the hassle of having two team deserving of #2 will force the NCAA to come up with something for next year.

The way i look at it, if OSU has to play michigan again then they are getting screwed that means that their whole season and head to head game meant nothing.

Excuse me??