DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Mangini reaching out to disgruntled Browns DT Rogers

Exactly. This is not about being ignored. Follow the money.

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but I still think this is motivated by the Albert Haynesworth sweepstakes as much as anything else.

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Damn, I hadn't thought of that but that sure makes a heck of a lot of sense.

agreed!

Getting what straightened out??? "You didn't say hello to me??"
U had me on IGNORE...can't stand that..won't take..I want out!!
Has nothing to do with the 4-12 season..or we suck against the run..or that FAT HAYNESWORTH is gettin' 100mill..DON'T MATTER if I fell on 'em(splat!) he could be served up at a Waffle House...Coach didn't say hi to me..I WANT OUT!!!!

Right...and my point is I agree with Mangini...I wouldn't set up a meeting with him either over something like this.

I would send him a letter.

Dear Shaun,

My name is Mr. Mangini, but you can call me coach, and look forward to you competing to make my team this next season.

In reviewing your tape, you had a great season with the Browns last year, but one thing the staff and I noticed was your weight.

We want to urge you to report to camp at no more than 325 lbs.
We feel this will be of benefit to the team.

Sincerely,


Coach

It is no wonder companies make a fortune selling sun block. These young guys now-a-days have such thin skin their internal organs get burnt when they step outside

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What proof do you have that a golfball or donut as HC would lose us games this year? See..the logic is flawed, that´s the problem of experience, you can´t be sure it will go on 100% even if you´re pretty sure...hope that makes sense

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The proof is that they're a golf ball and a donut.

Now can we all just dump our agendas and be patient?

Front Office; "SORRY : Shaun but you are going to have to WAIT."
shaun "WHAT wait?"
FO; " Yes, you are currently #2 on our APOLOGY LIST"

j/c...

Couple questions.

If Rogers decided he was going to sit out this season,

1) Would we be on the hook for his salary for the season (excluding any guarantees)?
2) Would it count as a year fulfilled in his contract?
3) Would we be able to allocate that money that was going to pay his salary for this year to signing another player who actually does suit up?

I believe that the answers are no, no, and yes, respectively, but I just want to verify that. If so, I say just let him sit. You wanna play? Cool. You don't wanna play? Bummer, but you're not going anywhere as long as you're under contract. I could see the union filing a grievance, but I can't imagine "upset that team won't release me after coach didn't say 'hi'" would be a valid reason.

What's funny is your desperate attempt to claim that you state your opinion and back it with links and facts. You haven't done that yet. You state your warped opinion as fact and have yet to provide links that prove any of the crap you spew.

It's being "reported" that Rogers asked for a meeting. It was also STATED in a PC by MANGINI HIMSELF that he would be meeting INDIVIDUALLY with players once they are all assembled in March. I guess you choose to ignore facts in order to spin things in your hatred fr Gini. It's not surpriseing.

Also, if you would step away from your hatred for a moment, it makes sense to wait until March to have individual meetings because Gini and Coke are trying to catch up and evaluate the talent on this team, the FAs that are available, and the players in the draft. Of course, you want to spin things to make it an "ego" thing that you have ZERO proof of. Yet, you back your "opinion" with facts and links. Where is your link that Gini has an "ego" problem? That's right, you don't have one.

Like I siad before, had the situation been reveresed and it was reproted that Gini was upset that Rogers didn't acknowledge him, you'd be all over Mangini.

Yeah, you wish you were wrong about Gini. If that were the case, you would actually look at things objectively instead of running around desperately twisting things, inventing things, and doing everything you can to make Gini look bad. You're way to obvious for ANYONE to take that "wish I was wrong" crap seriously.

Weight mandate among issues prompting Shaun Rogers to ask Cleveland Browns for his release
by Mary Kay Cabot / Plain Dealer Reporter
Thursday February 26, 2009, 2:09 PM

CLEVELAND -- Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers has formally asked to be traded or released by the Browns and isn't likely to change his mind, a source close to Rogers said.
Browns coach Eric Mangini has been trying to call the disgruntled tackle, but it's not yet known if the two have talked. Chances are, it wouldn't do much good anyway.

Rogers is miffed not just about being snubbed by Mangini on two occasions, but also by a directive he received from an unknown club official regarding the offseason weight program.
Despite playing all last season at his required weight -- which was listed at 350 -- Rogers was told by the Browns not to bother showing up for the offseason program on March 16th unless he was at a prescribed weight.

The mandate angered Rogers because he was in compliance with his weight all last season. What's more, he played on a sore knee much of the year and with a sore shoulder for most of the second half. He left one game with a neck stinger and returned, never missing any time because of the injuries.

Rogers came to Cleveland with a reputation for his weight ballooning in the second half of seasons, especially in 2007 when it was said that he ran out of gas. That never happened here. In fact, Rogers played some of his best ball down the stretch in 2008, despite the fact the Browns were out of the playoff hunt and in disarray.

Rogers is also upset that the team failed to reach out to him even after they knew he was miffed about the snubs and the weight issue. The club knew that there was a sense of urgency on Rogers' part, but failed to respond until he asked to be released.

Only now is Mangini trying to contact Rogers, and it may very well be too late.

Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, made it clear on Wednesday that Rogers' issues have nothing to do with money or his contract. In fact, he'd rather be released than earn the $15 million he's still owed, including a $6 million option bonus due next month.

The unfortunate part -- for Rogers and the Browns -- is that Rogers was rejuvenated in Cleveland and had a Pro Bowl season after virtually being run out of Detroit, where he was viewed as lazy and underacheiving. Rogers also rehabilitated his public image here. He was the best player the Browns had on defense last season and the cornerstone of the 3-4 defense.

It appears now that Rogers would rather play elsewhere than deal with the new regime. For his part, Mangini has said he values Rogers highly, wants him on the team and never meant to snub or disrespect him. It's not known if the weight mandate came from Mangini or someone else.

Mangini either fixes this or I'm going to start up a campaign to have his ass replaced before the draft.

I was just reading this..

Despite playing all last season at his required weight -- which was listed at 350 -- Rogers was told by the Browns not to bother showing up for the offseason program on March 16th unless he was at a prescribed weight.

Now I'll ask ..are they telling him if you are NOW OVER 350 don't show up, or is there another mandate thats under 350?

Just so we're clear. Rogers is mad because he was told to report at a certain weight, as all players are, even though it is normal for a team to make such a mandate and he has weight issues in the past. He is mad because Mangini made a public statement about this incident of not talking to him and he instead wanted a personal statement. His agent says it isn't about money and proves it because he's willing to give up $15 million in guaranteed money even though Haynesworth, comparable to Rogers last year, is going to make that many times over as a free agent.

Wow....just.....wow.

Who cares? The fact that they are telling him anything is just stupid as hell.

The man played like SuperMan last year and was the only person on Defense to do ANYTHING with ANY Consistency. The ONLY thing they should be saying to him is "keep doing whatever it is you are doing and is there any way in which I can help you do it??". That's IT.


Way to go Mangini... you haven't even been here 8 weeks and you've already driven out this team's best player... who's next?

"It appears now that Rogers would rather play elsewhere than deal with the new regime."

I imagine there will be several more.

Napoleon lost most of his army on the road to Moscow,I believe our little short fellow will lose many of his on the road to the 1st preseason game.
I can't wait to see how the prima-donnas handle this.

j/c

the best way to address this situation is to get RAC as a consultant asap and send him to talk to rogers. have rac convince rogers that mangini is a great coach to play for and then talk to mangini about loosening up a little. RAC seems to be a perfect mediator in this conflict, level-headed, has the patience and wisdom and both sides respect him.

It sounds like Rogers should have been consulted in the hiring process undertaken by Lerner.

The guy doesn't sound like he is going to be a good fit....I would work a trade.

Looks like the Lions weren't so dumb afterall.

I am sure this will work out just as the Andrson deal is going to work out...we will have to pay the bonus before we can UPS the guy.

You already have seen it. He asked for a trade.

I wrote prima-donnas,that's plural.There are a few more presently on the team.

Purp, all coaches tell their players to come to camp at a certain weight...on the OL and DL that is. I know you aren't saying that the FO should have played favorites with Rogers.

That's precisely what I'm saying they should have done with him.
The man not only did his job, he did it better than anyone else in the entire league. The coaches should have simply said "keep doing what you're doing... it obviously works".

No it's not stupid..they had a weight mandate on him last year..
My thinking is that he's offended that it was worded that harshly to him.
U may have played like the Man of Steel last year, but if you show up looking like you took some Red Kryptonite..start doing some wind sprints..

I disagree. You don't start a new regime by making rules only applicable to some of the players.

His weight limit last year was simply "show up at whatever weight you show up at, as long as you can play. If you can't play the way you should, then you gotta lose weight". RAC stated as much in pretty much every presser he had from the time we signed him until the start of camp.

J/C

This is about money. - Nothing else.

Trade him for a first rounder, just like the Chiefs did last year with Jared Allen.

Get rid of him.

Yeah, he made the Pro-Bowl last year, but we were still 4-12.



- I hope the Browns are ready to lose between 10-20% of their season ticket holders.

His weight limit last year was simply "show up at whatever weight you show up at, as long as you can play.
No it wasn't..there were many articles about his weight at the start of the offseason programs, and the coaches were monitering him..

Remember how it was said he was up to 375 , then it came out that Rac said he was at the weight they set for him which was 350..
Show up whatever weight U like sounds like was coach Prp's weight program for Shaun

PPE, do you think Tomlin was wrong in telling Casey Hampton that he was going to be inactive, or whatever he told him, because of his weight?

What's Rogers weight now?

My take on it is that you NEVER treat individuals different than other people just because they did well before. That's what the person gets PAID big money to do. That's why Rogers got paid more than Shaun Smith, because he's a better player.

But if the coach comes in and says "I want you at this weight", then you do it.

A new boss came into my office and told me that, while I had done well writing documents before, he wants me to change the way I do it. Should I just tell him no and that I quit?

That style of management won the Super Bowl. Remember how not letting Hampton come to training camp until he lost weight was going to submarine the Steelers season?

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A new boss came into my office and told me that, while I had done well writing documents before, he wants me to change the way I do it. Should I just tell him no and that I quit?

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If you were writing documents as well as or better than anyone else in the world that writes documents like yours, and your new boss comes in and wants you to change how you do things... I don't know if you should quit, but you should sure as hell question the new boss.

We were 4-12 last year and our defense sucked last year. Now losing Rogers would be awful, but that doesn't mean our defense for next year will be worse.

Rogers was fantastic at what he did last year, sometimes he was too good and left gaps in our defense that our players, because of a lack of talent, couldn't make up.

However, Rogers is certainly replaceable. You do not have to have someone like him at NT, just someone to control the guards and center, not plow them over every time out.

Now that's not to say that Rogers SHOULD be gone, but let's look at this from a different point of view. If we do lose Rogers, what can you get back for him? Maybe a 1st or a 2nd rounder? I'm sure we could get someone to fill that hole there or in FA. Not to Rogers talent level, but you can certainly have someone less than Rogers talent and have a better defense next year than we had last year.

PPE, do you think Tomlin was wrong in telling Casey Hampton that he was going to be inactive, or whatever he told him, because of his weight?

And transpired after that?
He balked at first..but he did what he needed to..
This ain't Club Crennel anymore

Well, questioning the boss and just quitting/asking for a trade are two pretty different things.

I guess I just don't understand why we're so quick to jump on Mangini when (1) we don't know for sure that the weight mandate came from him (although I think we can all assume it did); (2) one of the players, who has a history of being a baby, just like Mangini has a history of being a jerk, doesn't like that the coach didn't talk to him and that the coach wants him at a certain weight.

Heck, since Rogers played so well last year, should we redo his contract? And I have to think we'll redo Cribbs's contract and give him whatever he wants, too. Right?

We'll have a better defense just because it can't get much worse than it was... and the team will survive without him, but it chafes the living hell out of me because we FINALLY got a legitimate piece to our DLine and what do we do with it? We run it right back out of town.