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2. then guys like Toad saying Joe would have been "lucky" to have been a serviceable 3rd WR and that he was worth no more than league minimum for that reason ... when in fact they have no idea what Joe can bring to the table health wise ....

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There's more to it than that, and I'd think you'd have figured out that Tucker's restructure continues to play a role here.

In the grand scheme of things, it's hard to justify asking Tuck to take veteran minimum, but then settle for giving more to Jurevicius. Talk about sending mixed messages.

Above and beyond that, expecting a 34-year old, worn-down receiver to come back and be worth more than veteran minimum after sitting out a year then having 7 knee surgeries is a gamble not worth taking. Frankly, I don't care if he was willing to take $1.2 million, as asking Tucker to take veteran minimum but not Jurevicius would cause bigger problems.

Besides, don't play that "you don't know all the facts" crapola card with me. You go there all the time bro

Oh yeah, forgot to add your just bitter because you don't know if Quinn can throw it deep enough to get it to receivers who aren't TE's or 6'5 possession guys

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expecting a 34-year old, worn-down receiver to come back and be worth more than veteran minimum after sitting out a year then having 7 knee surgeries is a gamble not worth taking. Frankly, I don't care if he was willing to take $1.2 million, as asking Tucker to take veteran minimum but not Jurevicius would cause bigger problems.

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Besides, don't play that "you don't know all the facts" crapola card with me. You go there all the time bro

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not when it comes to this stuff ... when it comes to knowing who the playas are .. ABSOLUTELY ... when it comes to acting like a know it all in $$$ matters and how healthy someone is .. thats your area of spin .. not mine ..

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that one would shock me .. and it would be the first thing these guys did that would make me upset ... I am no fan of Shaff .. but we have no other options at RT right now .. that move would STUN me ..

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Oh yeah, forgot to add your just bitter because you don't know if Quinn can throw it deep enough to get it to receivers who aren't TE's or 6'5 possession guys

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leave out the FACT the other guys is as big or a bogger risk ..

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both of these players have had there agents gauge the interest they would get from other teams ..

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And you know this.........as a fact, right?

Allow me to play parrot here:

"BRAWWKK!! You don't know all the facts.....BRAWWKK!!!"

As noted, don't give me that crapolla about not knowing all the facts because we ALL speculate and form opinions without knowing.

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Joe obviously has some value out there and would like to pursue it ..

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Perhaps. Time will tell. Some team may be desperate enough for a 3rd down receiver that they are willing to overpay. Since we're in a rebuilding program here, it's not worth it for this team to overpay. *shrug* Different teams have different needs.

You also need to take into consideration how having a re-injured Joe on this team would hurt the receiving corp depth. It's not like we can carry 7 receivers in case Joe and Stallworth (he's still on the damned team?!?) get hurt again. That's part of the big picture.

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hmm .. as opposed to the risk of paying a guy who has played a grand total of 11 or 12 games for us over the last 3 years and is coming off HIP SURGERY .... ya .. hips are no big deal ... *LOL* ... at best has played what .. 11 or 12 games over the last two seasons and missed all but the opener last year?? .. typical spin toad .. only tell half the story .. leave out the FACT the other guys is as big or a bogger risk .. *LOL* ,.

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Except you missed one key little statement there. Allow me to quote.....myself "more than veteran minimum"......Tucker is worth veteran minimum IMHO. So is Joe IMHO, but not MORE than veteran minimum.

Diam for the.......WHIFF

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not when it comes to this stuff ... when it comes to knowing who the playas are .. ABSOLUTELY ... when it comes to acting like a know it all in $$$ matters and how healthy someone is .. thats your area of spin .. not mine ..

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You wound me sir! My area of spin runs wide and far! I haven't practiced that art for years just to have some Golden-Domer narrow it down to two little areas

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Don't be surprised if we either hear that he has suddenly restructured or he's released. They have been trying to restructure him for awhile now and he's been kicking & screaming, so to speak, not to. I think the roster bonuses are due this weekend so the timing would be right.



Curious...U know this for certain?
And if he is released, how are they going to replace him?

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If he doesn't restructure his contract, don't be surprised if Kevin Shaffer is released by this weekend.

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Honestly, doesn't it boil down to this.....If JJ was willing to take a sizable pay cut (even if it wasn't down to league minimum) and the Browns still cut him either they don't think he's healthy or they're just cleaning house to clean house.

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Based on the reports that say they approached him about a pay-cut, it is about money. If they thought he wasn't going to be healthy or just wanted to clean house, they'd have cut him long-ago.

As for taking a receiver at 5, I'm a FIRM believer in Crabtree, regardless of any so-called "conventional wisdom" that says you don't take a receiver that high. I was a firm believer in Roy Williams, and he put up some very good numbers on a very bad team. I view Crabtree as the next iteration of Chad Johnson (from a physical standpoint, not a mental one ). If we took him, I wouldn't be displeased at all. In fact, unless Curry is there, Crabtree is probably my #1 choice. That can clearly change after the combine, but for now, that's where I'm at.

Keep in mind that REGARDLESS of whether or not we'd kept Joe, we STILL needed a receiver badly, and would have been stOOpid to rely upon Joe's health, just as we're stOOpid if we're planning on relying upon Tucker's health.

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I'm not sure how you can condemn the front office without knowing what actually occurred.

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Wow, you are new here.

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That can clearly change after the combine, but for now, that's where I'm at.

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Toad, the combine is well, kind of over.

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I'm confused. Kokinis and Mangini are both football guys and they are running the team. How can you say they're not football guys? Both have been part of winning organizations.

Joe didn't want to go to training camp and be cut. The front office also is giving him an opportunity to and another job by releasing him so early. I'm not sure how you can condemn the front office without knowing what actually occurred.

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That can clearly change after the combine, but for now, that's where I'm at.

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Toad, the combine is well, kind of over.

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Not combine. Pro-days.

God. I do that crap all the time.

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given the unknowns, how can we justify him at #5? i'm asking because i haven't seen him play and i know he's been a highly talked about prospect.

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If he doesn't restructure his contract, don't be surprised if Kevin Shaffer is released by this weekend.

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EXCLUSIVE: Browns Release Kevin Shaffer

By Site Staff

Posted Mar 12, 2009


Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports this evening that Cleveland Browns right tackle Kevin Shaffer has been released following a failure to reach agreement on a new contract.


When the Cleveland Browns released Joe Jurevicius last evening after failing to reach a new contract agreement, a message was sent.

That message got even clearer today, as multiple sources have informed Scout.com's Adam Caplan that the team has failed to come to an agreement with RT Kevin Shaffer, and that the offensive lineman will be released.

Emails to the team requesting confirmation were not yet returned.

Shaffer signed with the Browns as the team’s left tackle in 2006, sliding over to the right tackle slot in 2007 after the team drafted LT Joe Thomas with the third pick in the draft, a move that the player initially disliked.

Shaffer was an expensive signing for then-GM Phil Savage. Inking the Falcons tackle to a six-year deal with $12 million in guaranteed money. Savage was gambling that Shaffer would continue the development seen over the first few years of his career.

After being part of the one of the league’s best offensive lines in 2007, Shaffer’s performance ebbed in 2008, in part, perhaps, due to the loss of Ryan Tucker at the right guard position next to him. The combination of Rex Hadnot and Shaffer manning the right side was visibly less effective than the year before.

The team, clearly viewed the contact out of line with the tackle’s performance. If Shaffer is released, there will be some significant salary cap impacts both this year and in the future. While the team will save $1.455 million of cap space by cutting Shaffer, they will also assume $4.56 of "dead" cap space due to bonuses rolled forward into this year.

The release makes the Browns thin at yet another position. Ryan Tucker, if healthy, may be a candidate to return to the right tackle position

A source close to the player has told Scout.com that the door is not entirely closed to his return. At this point, however, the big right tackle is free to seek employment with other teams

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cool, fair enough. thanks for the read. i certainly wouldn't mind a physical receiver who could actually catch the ball. would make for a good vertical game, like 2007.

i somewhat agree with dcdawgfan though, that heyward-bay wouldn't be bad if we knew we could get him in round two. he'd be perfect if we were set on the short pass, YAC with quinn at the helm. i guess my biggest concern with crab is that, at #5, where there have been receivers taken like fitz and calvin johnson, my concern is that 2 inch difference in height. combine that with an unknown at 40 and vertical and other tests, and i'm a lot less comfortable with the move. i also view raji as a rare prospect where, even if we have a lot of dlinemen, we could still add him. to me, it seems easier to find a good receiver outside of round one than a good lineman, but that's just me.

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No it ain't,...

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In the last 10 drafts, only 14 of the 39 receivers drafted in the first round (36 percent) established themselves as solid, consistent NFL starters. The best place to find a receiver is in the second through fifth rounds of the draft.

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what do you mean?

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You misinterpreted what I originally said--you incorrectly read my post to mean I disagreed with your premise concerning WR and OLmen,...when I AGREED and indicated so with a

Please re-read. "No it ain't" ---"just you." Got it ??

Mulligan awarded; you're welcome.

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what do you mean?

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You misinterpreted what I originally said--you incorrectly read my post to mean I disagreed with your premise concerning WR and OLmen,...when I AGREED and indicated so with a

Please re-read. "No it ain't" ---"just you." Got it ??

Mulligan awarded; you're welcome.

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OHHH, i see what you mean, lol. i read the "no it ain't" to the "it's easier to find a wr than a dt later" and not to the "but that's just me." sorry, you reached me at the end of a work day. i'm usually slower at that time.

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Before receiving the Doug Dieken Humanitarian Award from the Cleveland Touchdown Club on Monday night, Joe Jurevicius, disappointed yet far from defeated, talked about the lingering hurt of being released by the Browns last week.

"Whether I'm happy or not, the decision has been made," he said. "It's a little difficult walking around town right now, but I have nothing to be ashamed of. I put everything out there I had on the field and in the community in terms of being proud of being from the city of Cleveland.

"This too shall pass, but it's not easy. It was their decision. It is a business. I have to sit back now and look at what options present themselves to me and go from there."

The crowd packing the LaCentre Banquet Facility in Westlake for the Touchdown Club awards dinner didn't look at the Browns dumping Jurevicius as a business decision.

Dieken, the former Browns tackle and current radio commentator, introduced Jurevicius with lavish praise about what a good teammate and citizen Jurevicius is.

Jurevicius intentionally arrived after the dinner started so he would not be a distraction. He entered the spacious banquet room through a side door and walked to the podium. When he was finished speaking, he left through the same door.

Polite applause started slowly and then grew in volume. After a few seconds, men and women started to rise, and before long, Jurevicius was getting a standing ovation. Twice, he approached the microphone, but the crowd wasn't finished showing its appreciation. The ovation lasted 32 seconds. In awards banquet time, that is an eternity.

Jurevicius told the young players and those in high school and college to make sure they play football for the right reason with the goal of money far down the line.

He lamented not being able to finish his career with the Browns.

He also talked about how much it meant to be with them for three seasons after growing up in Timberlake and graduating from Lake Catholic High School.

"My two greatest memories playing for the Browns are going by the Muni parking lot and seeing fans wearing my jersey and being a captain for my hometown team," he said. "My greatest honors in my career are playing in three Super Bowls and wearing a 'C' on my chest with the Cleveland Browns."

Jurevicius vowed to continue doing everything he can to play somewhere in 2009. But his right knee is not cooperating. He has been through six operations since a staph infection developed in January of 2008 after a routine clean-out procedure on his right knee at The Cleveland Clinic.

Jurevicius said no tryouts with other teams have been lined up yet.

"My knee will be OK," he sad. "There's still work to be done. It's seven surgeries. I have my work to do, and I'm not going to shy away from the challenge.

"If I do play again, I'm going at it full battle, and that's what I'm trying to do right now. If I don't, what do I possibly have to hang my head about? Eleven years being involved with the NFL and three Super Bowls, and I still have the desire and passion to go ahead and play."

Jurevicius signed with the Browns in 2006 after eight years with the Giants, Buccaneers and Seahawks. He went to the Super Bowl once with each team and won a championship with the Buccaneers.

Jurevicius caught 40 passes in 2006 and in 2007, when the Browns finished 10-6, he caught 50 passes for 614 yards and three touchdowns. Twenty-nine of his catches were on third down, and 22 of them were for first downs. After those catches, Jurevicius would point emphatically downfield to signal first down.

The Browns said cutting Jurevicius was a difficult decision. He was supposed to make $2.4 million in 2009 and receive a $250,000 bonus last Friday. Jurevicius said he was willing to take a steep pay cut, but he and the Browns could not come to an agreement.

Fan support for Jurevicius, 34, has been overwhelming the last five days. He said that makes what happened easier to accept.

"I'm thankful for being a Clevelander and being around fans that have been that supportive," he said. "That makes it an easier pill to swallow. The support has been awesome."

It was suggested since 2009 might be his last year and the Browns are obviously rebuilding that maybe Coach Eric Mangini figured it would be better for the future to take their lumps with a younger player now.

"I don't know what their decisions were," Jurevicius said. "Obviously, I am an older guy, but it's not my unwillingness to go across the middle or my unwillingness to put the team first. And it's not because I can't catch the football."

Three days after Jurevicius was released, Donte Stallworth killed a pedestrian while driving his Bentley in Miami Beach. The accident is under investigation.

Jurevicius had no comment on the accident from a Browns perspective. He was sad for the victim, 59-year-old Mario Reyes.

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