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JC.. Some of you people crack me up.  You act like we just have our pick of players, we can just call up Randy Moss and have him sign, or run into Peyton manning at McD's and hand him a pen. You don't liek the players we have, and you don't like the players we are picking up, there's no making some of you happy. Unless he makes 70 catches and 11 TDs then you'll all proclaim how you thought it was the greatest move by Mangini.
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My hope is we wait to see what happens ahead of us before we make the trade of Edwards. I think if we trade him we need to get Crabtree, as a redshirt freshmen he won the Biletnikoff, which means he's a fast learner. I really could see him having a big rookie season as he relies on his hands and route-running more than just speed.
If we get Crabtree, then Edwards is gone. Hopefully someone like the Bears, Raiders, Jaguars, Jets, Eagles, or Atlanta will offer their first round pick for Edwards. I highly doubt that the Raiders but who knows they have Captain Ahab at the helm, but Jacksonville could.
Jacksonville needs a WR and would you rather pay monster bucks to a unproven rookie (the 2nd best WR in the class) or get a guy who could be a top 5 WR next year, but I doubt it.
However the Bears could be the spot, but if were to trade him to the Giants I really don't mind D. Hixon or it could be I still have when Hixon caught like 4 TD"s against us fresh in my mind.
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Unfortunately, I doubt that anyone offers us a first for Edwards. I don't think many teams believe he is consistent enough to merit it.
The deal the Giants offered was a good one with the exception of their draft position. That low down in the draft makes a second more like a third... even using the pick they got from the Saints makes it questionable.
I'm glad the FO stuck to their guns though...whether we believe its a good deal or not, they obviously have a bottom line with Braylon and aren't willing to red tag sale him.
It would be nice to keep him on the team and regain his 2007 form but I think far too much has happened and he's alienated the local fan base too much.
As for the Patten signing, I'm great with adding some experienced depth at receiver. My only question is why him? Looking through the FA list, there's 4 or 5 guys that could be had at second tier salaries that are both younger and have had better production than Patten.
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Some of you people crack me up. Too bad you didn't just split apart ..woulda saved me the trouble of responding  Keep giggling till they have to put you back together again.. You act like we just have our pick of players, we can just call up Randy Moss and have him sign, or run into Peyton manning at McD's and hand him a pen. Wow can that really be done? I was just shooting for some draft picks and a complimentary player, but your brilliant idea sounds better  You don't liek the players we have, and you don't like the players we are picking up, there's no making some of you happy Of course not..why should I be thrilled with some of the crap on the roster just because you are? 
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Domenik Hixon is 6' 2 188...is not not a featured WR..but has good hands..
While Hixon played decent for Burress, he dropped alot of balls also......Me personally, I keep Braylon....I think he will be ok this year, and next.....he just had a bad year, and was frustrated...he is still young, and probably isn't quite sure how to handle the media jumping all over his case about his drops and such....as of right now, the only position on the "O" that is set, is the RB, and some of the OL.....I think we need Braylon's talent this year......I just can't see starting 2009 with Patten, Hixon, Cribbs, Steptoe...and Crabtree or any other rookie for that matter.....  ...if they trade Braylon, then we are for sure in re-build mode, so they may as well go ahead and move one of the QB's, because we are gonna need the help......
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So U believe when his contract is up he'll take the Browns offer and resign...? If U really believe that..I got a surefire can't miss way to get free money..all you have to do is buy my video-tape...   Oh BTW they will move one of the QB's..
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Just clicking....Did this replace the Patton signing thread?
1. I like the way we sign a WR veteran like Patton - very similar to other signings we made and indicative of how we are utilizing the FA market. Is very familiar with Daboll who was his WR coach for most of his productive years n vice versa.
2. So we sign him and to some of you that means we are now Doomed...  I love how that works.
3. On the BE trade rumor thing this is how I think it went down...educated guesstimation here.
a. Combine...our first coming out with M/K mingling with the rest of the NFL.
b. Giants approach us and asked if we were willing to consider a trade for BE? We answer with...depends, we are always willing to listen, what do you got?
c. How bout our 2nd n 5th (Shockey's deal to signify Shockey straight up for BE in value) - we said, How bout the 2nd, 5th and Smith (their best upcomer WR...maybe in the NFL??? - note not saying best WR...saying best upcomer ready to come onto the scene!).
I think when we make this suggestion if they stated YES...it wouldn't have been a deal. We would have taken it back and rethink and then decide.
d. They of course came back and offered up our choice of two others. We just shook our heads no and didn't pursue it any further.
We didn't shop BE, we didn't approach the Giants...we just responded and noted to them what "POSSIBLY" it would take for us to think about it.
And since the Combine it hasn't come up again. Maybe the Giants now leaked it out cause of the Cutler BS going around hoping maybe BE would have the same reaction and and DEMAND a trade - making their offer more lucrative???  Nah, they wouldn't do that. 
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"Patten will be 35 on Aug. 19."
Good god!
I understand the virtue of saving money in today's economy,but why sign an over the hill bum,when I'm certain there are younger bums they could have signed just as cheap.
Who's next,Methusala?
Not saying that Patten is in these guys level but Marvin Harrison Terrell Owens and Issac Bruce are all older and are still preforming at pretty high levels. Wide recievers along with quarterbacks tend to last a while and become more saavy as they get older.
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Two articles web page Yesterday, Browns GM George Kokinis confirmed he had briefly talked about trading wide receiver Braylon Edwards to the Giants. But Kokinis said "nothing culminated into specifics." Today, someone familiar with the talks between the Browns said no Giants players were offered in the discussions. The person, who asked for anonymity because both teams have not provided specifics of the trade talks publicly, said all talks were merely "preliminary." Scout.com reported over the weekend the Giants had offered Mario Manningham or Domenik Hixon after denying the Browns' request for Steve Smith. The person familiar with the talks said that was not the case. The Giants have 10 picks in next month's draft, so perhaps they dangled a few of those under Cleveland's nose. But it doesn't appear any players were involved. web page Some more Braylon Edwards info Today was the first day of an open locker room during the offseason program, so we were able to talk to some of the players as well as a few other sources. Here's one of the things that emerged from that: The report on the Braylon Edwards trade talks was mostly true. As Browns GM Kokinis said, there was a preliminary conversation with Cleveland about Edwards, but according to someone familiar with the negotiations the talks did not go beyond that point and no Giants players were ever brought up in the conversation. I've also been told that those trade talks are not ongoing while the Browns figure out what will happen to Donte Stallworth.
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So U believe when his contract is up he'll take the Browns offer and resign...?
I don't believe that one bit.
What I do believe is that if we ever come to a point where Edwards Contact is up in Cleveland. We will be in an uncapped year. Edwards will be in his 5th season and will be a restricted free agent. We will tender him an offer that requires two two `1st round picks if we do not match and go from there.
Honestly I think that he gets dealt before that time.
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Some of you people crack me up.
Too bad you didn't just split apart ..woulda saved me the trouble of responding
Keep giggling till they have to put you back together again..
You act like we just have our pick of players, we can just call up Randy Moss and have him sign, or run into Peyton manning at McD's and hand him a pen.
Wow can that really be done?
I was just shooting for some draft picks and a complimentary player, but your brilliant idea sounds better
You don't liek the players we have, and you don't like the players we are picking up, there's no making some of you happy
Of course not..why should I be thrilled with some of the crap on the roster just because you are?
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Did you miss the "JC" to start my post, identifying that I wasn't talking to you specifically, but that you were the last thread so used it to click reply.
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Hmmm I musta missed that..oh well..sorry bout that..actually I wasn't offended..I was being sarcastic..
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Take both their 2nds & Hixon and move on.
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One thing to keep in mind, is that the Giants were granted a third round compensatory pick. And while I believe a team cannot trade a compensatory pick, it does leave them with ten picks on draft day and 5 picks on the first day. They could in theory give us a 2nd, 3rd, and a 5th, and hixon and they would still have a full draft worth of picks. By receiving a compensatory third maybe that would allow them to trade package their own third for BE.
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round 2 pick 13 selection #45
round 2 pick 28 selection #60
round 3 pick 27 selection #91
round 3 pick 36 selection #100 (compensatory pick)
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FYI, 3rd round picks are no longer "first day" picks. But, I think we get your drift.
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I don't think I am going to get used to this whole evening draft . I keep forgetting.
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forgot to add that Patten did catch 53 balls in 2007. Part of the reason Patten lost catches and looks was because of the emergence of Lance Moore.
We just added a guy who's going to give us a shot filling the slot position, but stands a better shot at being the 4th or 5th receiver.
Patten is a short-term band-aid. Nothing more. He's a role-player that isn't being brought in to be a big contributor.
In 2000 I watched a practice here in Columbus, one person stood out, David Patton, couldn't be stopped, best guy on the field, better than Manning that day. period. A couple weeks later I wrote in a post, David Patton can get open ... catch... didn't matter, three posters told me he had left the roster. I've been a fan of David Patton since, except I haven't seen anything from him in about two years, so I wonder if he is past his prime.
What do you know Another Browns player who has his best years in another uniform, it is sickening. It all makes sense if you look at it from the perspective that the Browns are not trying to be a major league team competing for a championship, but rather a minor league stepping stone to more talented rosters.
Even an over the hill David Patton is better than Steptoe, Hubbard, Steve Sanders, I would think, but who really knows when or where over the hill is? Much like Keenan McCardell, Micheal Jackson, Eric Metcalf, who I wish would have re-joined the team...
Watching the Browns means never really knowing who is going to take the field and consequently having no team to root for.
This entirely and completely vacuums since the new rebuilding (LAUGHABLE) process begins again, for the 7th time since 99.
Of the AFC North and the AFC South, will the Browns finsish anywhere but 8th place or 7th again for several years straight.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2009/03/terry_plutos_blog_cleveland_br.htmlTerry Pluto's blog: Cleveland Browns should deal Braylon Edwards if they can by Terry Pluto / Plain Dealer Columnist Tuesday March 24, 2009, 3:54 PM GOODYEAR, Ariz. -- If the Browns can trade Braylon Edwards to the New York Giants for second and fifth round picks, along with Domenik Hixon -- they should do it. Here's why: 1. Let's start with the fact that Braylon Edwards will be a free agent at the end of the 2009 season. What are the odds of Mr. Michigan having any interest in re-signing with the Browns? Because of the unsettled labor situation, it's hard to know if Edwards will be restricted or unrestricted in 2010. But there is no doubt that he has been dubious about Cleveland from the day the Browns made him the third pick in the 2005 draft. 2. No need to get into all the drops -- an NFL-leading 16, according to Stats Inc. Or the fact that Edwards just seems to do some very silly stuff. Browns fans know the sad story: late for a team meeting because of attending an OSU/Michigan game; being spiked by Donte Stallworth during post-practice exercises because he had taken off his football shoes; saying the fans don't like him because he's from Michigan. 3. Adding another second-round pick would give the Browns the No. 5 choice in the first round, and three picks in the second round -- their own (No. 36), Tampa Bay's (No. 50 for Kellen Winslow) and the Saints (No. 45) by way of New York for Edwards. That is a way to add some serious young talent. 4. Those three choices in the second round allow the Browns: room to trade; to move down in the first round; to add a veteran player; and finally, to be very creative. 5. I wonder if the Giants really are willing to deal Hixon. He is a little like Joshua Cribbs, a tough special teams guy (University of Akron) who was not highly-regarded. Yes, he was picked in the third round, but Denver had little interest in keeping him. Hixon just worked his way into becoming a solid receiver. 6. Last season, Hixon had 43 catches, averaged 13.9 yards per catch. He ranked 18th in the NFL in terms of having 29 of his 43 catches (67 percent) become first downs. Add his value as a special teams player and a terrific team attitude -- he'd be comfortable in Cleveland. 7. It's nice that the Browns added Dave Patten, but he's 33 and battled injuries last season -- catching only 11 passes. They need a veteran receiver, and should look at Torry Holt. He will be 33 in June, but still caught 64 passes (12.4 yards per catch), good for three TDs. He's a classy veteran receiver who will help Edwards (if he stays) or a young receiver that they may draft. 8. The bottom line is that Edwards is a short-timer, and it is wise to trade him now rather than watch him possibly walk away later.
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We need to definitely try to get Holt into a Browns uniform. At a reasonable price but I think he will go somewhere else like the Patriots or something. 
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When Pluto writes I usually don't read his stuff..mostly it's just stuff..but it is logical to move Edwards..but there has to be a plan to get at least 2 more WR's..
If Philly really is interested I wonder what they would offer..it won't be a receiver, because they don't have any and haven't for years,,,
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If it was me, I'd take both of Philly's 1st rounders and, heck, throw in their 2nd rounder, too, for them to take our no. 5 pick and Edwards. We should be able to find some quality WRs if we have 5 picks in the 1st 2 rounds.
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I've also been told that those trade talks are not ongoing while the Browns figure out what will happen to Donte Stallworth.
Just my guess, but this situation isn't going to resolve itself for a loooonnnnnggggg time. Best to plan now like he will not be here. Doen't mean the browns can't move BE, but we should have a veteran bandaid in camp before doing so--- Holt is the first choice, but will have to pay serious bucks for him to bypass signing with a contender. Harrison is still out there, but he has lost a step. Runs good routes though so that could still be a plus.
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If Philly would offer that and they turn it down..make some noise..
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Hey, Terry, way to be late to the "yes, we should trade Edwards" party 
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If it was me, I'd take both of Philly's 1st rounders and, heck, throw in their 2nd rounder, too, for them to take our no. 5 pick and Edwards. We should be able to find some quality WRs if we have 5 picks in the 1st 2 rounds.
as was shown in the other thread it would take Philly's 2 1st rounders and their 3rd to trade up to our #5 spot. So, you are saying that Edwards is only worth a move from a 3rd round pick to a 2nd round pick?
Or, if you throw out the chart and say that Philly's 2 1st rounders = our #5 selection. Then, Edwards is only worth a 2nd round pick when the Giants were willing to give us a 2nd round, 5th round and a backup WR?
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If the Giants were or are offering a 2nd and a 5th pick plus Hixon. I can see us getting something better for him now that Philly has thrown their hat into the we want Braylon talks. I know there are more than 2 teams in the NFL that would love to have Edwards so a first round pick for him wouldn't be crazy to expect. A first and a 3rd maybe? that would be nice.
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Just a first would be OK,...that replaces what we blew taking him in the first place.
I actually would rather see what Maginin can do with him, but this is smelling more and more like a bonfire made of wood soaked in urine.
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Braylon Edwards is a good catch, so don't drop him: Bill Livingston
by Bill Livingston/Plain Dealer Columnist Wednesday March 25, 2009, 9:05 PM
The first play that stuck in the memory bank with Braylon Edwards was a long bomb from John Navarre in 2003. Edwards raced down the sideline in the Big House and snagged the pass, as the blue ranks of fans rose, roaring. Chris Gamble, Ohio State's two-way star on the national championship team the year before, was chasing him and was never going to catch him. The 87-yard touchdown pass was called back by a holding penalty, but Michigan won easily.
Edwards was also strong, as he showed by breaking two tackles on an earlier score. He burned OSU for 130 yards and two TDs, with a third negated. All afternoon, Navarre nailed him like a carpenter with a gun.
He was, in the most heartfelt, politically incorrect sense of the word, a pure thoroughbred when it was big game time.
The second play that wouldn't be forgotten came in OSU's upset the next year at the Horseshoe. It was fourth-and-1 at the Michigan 29, midway through the fourth quarter, Michigan down 13 points. The Buckeyes' defensive backs and safeties, mindful of Edwards' speed, played soft. Edwards ran a 3-yard square-out, designed to get the first down and step out of bounds to stop the clock. Chad Henne, the new quarterback, hit him right in the breadbasket. Edwards dropped the simple little toss. That ball simply had to be caught. School was out. OSU won.
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Braylon Edwards is inconsistent but still too talented to trade away. The good Edwards of 2003 and the bad Edwards of 2004 are the same Edwards that Browns fans see today. Inconsistency is his dominant characteristic. He set a franchise record for touchdown catches and yardage in 2007, then -- boom goes the dynamite -- led the NFL in dropped passes in 2008.
Now the new Browns regime is listening to offers for him, and the hue and cry among fans here in "North Columbus" is to get rid of the Michigan stiff.
But it's not as if Edwards is a locker room cancer and has as many drops as the Smith Brothers, like Terrell Owens.
Besides, are they trying to blow up the roster? The trade of Kellen Winslow, who created far more locker room problems than Edwards and was far more damaged by injury, was a good one.
Edwards has more talent than Winslow and is less disruptive. He wears his heart on his sleeve. But don't you want a player who cares? Who wants the ball? Yet he doesn't carry it to the extremes of Winslow in committing obvious interference penalties or busting his assigned routes.
Who else has "home run" potential on this team? Joshua Cribbs threw passes on simple patterns as quarterback in the "Flash" package because scheme recognition is not a strength. Receivers have to read defenses, too.
The Browns have a talent shortage. Edwards has great talent. "Addition by subtraction" only increases the talent deficit if they keep exiling good players.
Edwards has had a series of childish scrapes here, but he is a good person. He sabotaged his own 2008 season when he ran laps in his socks and teammate Donte Stallworth gashed Edwards' foot with his cleats.
Sometimes, Edwards also seems to fixate on the trivial. After one loss, he prowled the locker room, asking teammates if they had a spare pair of dress socks. He had misplaced his own.
He should have been thinking about the loss. He should have been keeping track of his shoes.
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Those appear to be little more than the literary mumblings of a tavern-class drunkard.
(for some unknown reason, the copy/paste is doing some astonishingly goofy things, so forgive me as I skip over the copy and go right to the point)......
Comparing Winslow and Edwards is a two-way street. Edwards has proven to do the things that Winslow never did, which was to dog it on the field when his head and/or heart weren't into the game. By his own admissions, he performed horribly under those circumstances, yet committed the cardinal sin of repeating his own failures despite promises that he'd actually care and give 100% effort 
Setting all that aside, the narrow-minded viewpoint of this article doesn't cover the future, only the present. While his arguement holds up for the 2009 season, like many of his articles in the recent past, he falls flat on his face once we look beyond this upcoming season.
What of a new regime that DIDN'T select Edwards, that didn't coddle him, that didn't make him the face of the franchise? What of his ever-so-fragile psyche, now that he's clearly been put on the trading block? Edwards is no longer king of the team. Methinks his ego, an ego that has been bruised by such petty things as to be made of nothing stronger than egg-crates, cannot stomach such a situation.
Trade him now or get nothing in the future. Is one year's worth of production (   )worth the risk? No. It isn't.
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Trading Edwards now would be extremely foolish. Mainly because your going to get almost nothing for him...a 3rd rounder isn't good enough here.
For as bad as BE was catching the ball last year, he still drew alot of attention for opposing secondaries. Even with his issues, he still effects the defenses coverages. And we are going to need him for that reason, since the rest of our WR corp are total and complete bums.
Another big thing BE does that nobody talks about is his blocking ability, which is more important than people wanna say it is. The logic that BE doesn't play 100% because he plays sloppy doesn't hold up.
A guy who isn't giving it his all doesn't run block, and throw his body around on a 4-12 team in December against the bengals.
Edwards is also in a contract year, this is do or die for him. If he doesn't have a great season, he misses his one chance at a mega deal. At his age, and with his skills, if he has another 10+ TD year...someone, maybe even us, will pay him big big bucks.
Braylon knows this, so does his agent....it's why you havent heard a snippet outta BE this offseason, even with his name being dangled in the media. Braylon is gonna be all business this season.
Money depends on it, you can bet he's working his ass off this offseason, it doesnt mean he's grown up or that he won't still have some dropping issues. THe best motivation for most guys is money, and it will fuel BE. Hopefully Braylon grows up, becomes a pro and is someone that can be a top 5 WR. If he's still immature, then trade him next offseason.
But this garbage that BE will be worth nothing next offseason is incredibly unsupported when you stop and reason it out, keeping BE is a win-win for the Browns.
But I realize that it doesn't matter to most fans, and some fans ignore facts or logic about BE and just want him gone PERIOD, mainly because they are OSU homers.
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Trading Edwards now would be extremely foolish. Mainly because your going to get almost nothing for him...a 3rd rounder isn't good enough here.
If you call a 2nd, a 5th, and another backup receiving nothing..........Maybe you forgot about that offer
We could get that RIGHT NOW, so talking about a 3rd rounder isn't logical.
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For as bad as BE was catching the ball last year, he still drew alot of attention for opposing secondaries. Even with his issues, he still effects the defenses coverages. And we are going to need him for that reason, since the rest of our WR corp are total and complete bums.
You're talking about this year, not the future. But more on that in a sec.......
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Another big thing BE does that nobody talks about is his blocking ability, which is more important than people wanna say it is. The logic that BE doesn't play 100% because he plays sloppy doesn't hold up.
Plenty of people talk about it. However, he's dogged it on several occasions.
Furthermore, I've not seen one single person say "Edwards doesn't play 100% because he's sloppy"..............that doesn't even make sense
He doesn't give full effort because his head isn't in the game. He gives up when he doesn't get the ball early and often, as well as when he gets a bad case of droppsies and pouts.
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Edwards is also in a contract year, this is do or die for him. If he doesn't have a great season, he misses his one chance at a mega deal.
While that line of thinking stands to reason, it's not "do or die." He'll still get a good deal on the open market as the best receiver even if he doesn't have a great year. Besides, as it stands now, he'll be a restricted free agent, not a true one. We'd still control his rights.
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But this garbage that BE will be worth nothing next offseason is incredibly unsupported when you stop and reason it out, keeping BE is a win-win for the Browns.
Who said he'd be worth nothing next offseason? What we're talking about is potentially losing him without getting anything in return.
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But I realize that it doesn't matter to most fans, and some fans ignore facts or logic about BE and just want him gone PERIOD, mainly because they are OSU homers.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Bingo, he is hated on for the most part from his college ties. and i have stated this time and time again but most of these HOMERS will side step it and pretend it has nothing to do with Michigan and that is TOTAL BS, HE WAS NEVER GIVIN A FAIR CHANCE HERE. since day one he had a bullseye on his back. he is going to bust out this year and play is butt off.
im so sick of using players as the scapgoats when something goes wrong, each year people find a target and the whole seasons failures are blamed on that player. THE WHOLE FREAKING TEAM was awefull last year, so get over it already people. you cannot say that BE was at fault and totally to blame for last year. bad blocking, bad throwing, bad catching, bad running, bad defenders, bad pass rush...THE WHOLE TEAM PLAYED BAD last year.
Coaches werent doing their jobs...those people are who was responsible for last year. they have been replaced so give each player a clean slate to work with.
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Bingo, he is hated on for the most part from his college ties. and i have stated this time and time again but most of these HOMERS will side step it and pretend it has nothing to do with Michigan and that is TOTAL BS, HE WAS NEVER GIVIN A FAIR CHANCE HERE. since day one he had a bullseye on his back. he is going to bust out this year and play is butt off.
im so sick of using players as the scapgoats when something goes wrong, each year people find a target and the whole seasons failures are blamed on that player. THE WHOLE FREAKING TEAM was awefull last year, so get over it already people. you cannot say that BE was at fault and totally to blame for last year. bad blocking, bad throwing, bad catching, bad running, bad defenders, bad pass rush...THE WHOLE TEAM PLAYED BAD last year.
Coaches werent doing their jobs...those people are who was responsible for last year. they have been replaced so give each player a clean slate to work with.
The whole team did play bad last year.
Braylon had a giant role is some if it. If you cannot see it, then you aren't looking or are blinded for your love for him.
And can we please stop with the Michigan stuff. You cannot prove whatsoever that people hate him because he's from Michigan.
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Trade him now or get nothing in the future. Is one year's worth of production ( )worth the risk? No. It isn't.
I actually don't agree with this as stated. If worse comes to worse we could franchise tag him, that at least gives us 1 more offseason to move him, so at best I could see 2 years production and at worst only 1. However, I would tell the Giants if they made the deal their 2nd, 3rd, and Hixon they could have Edwards.
If we had 3, 2nd rounders we could move into the last part of round 1 easily IMO if we really wanted Maualuga, Cushing, Mathews, Wells...etc or we could stay put.
To me it depends if we can pick up Crabtree at 5. I don't wanna move Edwards unless we get Crabtree to be honest. I think with Patten, Hixon/Smith, and Crabtree we may not have the fastest WR's in the league but all 3 can catch the ball. I have faith that Crabtree could have a big rookie season (heck he won the WR award as a redshirt freshmen). Hey toad you watch a lot of Texas ball, do you think Crabtree could have big rookie season? Also I think this draft class is strong in LB's and could see Mathews, English, or Clint S. falling to us in the 2nd.
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Bingo, he is hated on for the most part from his college ties. and i have stated this time and time again but most of these HOMERS will side step it and pretend it has nothing to do with Michigan and that is TOTAL BS, HE WAS NEVER GIVIN A FAIR CHANCE HERE. since day one he had a bullseye on his back. he is going to bust out this year and play is butt off.
im so sick of using players as the scapgoats when something goes wrong, each year people find a target and the whole seasons failures are blamed on that player. THE WHOLE FREAKING TEAM was awefull last year, so get over it already people. you cannot say that BE was at fault and totally to blame for last year. bad blocking, bad throwing, bad catching, bad running, bad defenders, bad pass rush...THE WHOLE TEAM PLAYED BAD last year.
Coaches werent doing their jobs...those people are who was responsible for last year. they have been replaced so give each player a clean slate to work with.
The whole team did play bad last year.
Braylon had a giant role is some if it. If you cannot see it, then you aren't looking or are blinded for your love for him.
And can we please stop with the Michigan stuff. You cannot prove whatsoever that people hate him because he's from Michigan.
And you CANNOT prove that they DONT hate him because he is from Michigan!
He is the only threat we have on Offense, maybe you would be happy with Steptoe and Sanders as our starters but i sure as heck wouldnt be! step back and get over your ego for a bit....we have gave the rest of the guys a clean slate for this year, do it with our best weapon! he will bounce back and tear it up this year! And its not love, or a man crush its commons freaking sense you dont trade your best player on O, well maybe you lack common sense? so i will speak slowly to you....."he best WR on team!" there i put it in caveman so maybe you would understand
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I barely watch any college football. I paid money for tickets to see the Houston game. Edwards quit, he jogged his routes, he didn't try. His body language showed he didn't want to be there. That's why I don't like him.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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O, well maybe you lack common sense? so i will speak slowly to you....."he best WR on team!" there i put it in caveman so maybe you would understand
FYI if you use the smiling guy graemlin then everybody will know you're joking. Without the similey guy it just looks rude.
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Bingo, he is hated on for the most part from his college ties. and i have stated this time and time again but most of these HOMERS will side step it and pretend it has nothing to do with Michigan and that is TOTAL BS, HE WAS NEVER GIVIN A FAIR CHANCE HERE. since day one he had a bullseye on his back. he is going to bust out this year and play is butt off.
im so sick of using players as the scapgoats when something goes wrong, each year people find a target and the whole seasons failures are blamed on that player. THE WHOLE FREAKING TEAM was awefull last year, so get over it already people. you cannot say that BE was at fault and totally to blame for last year. bad blocking, bad throwing, bad catching, bad running, bad defenders, bad pass rush...THE WHOLE TEAM PLAYED BAD last year.
Coaches werent doing their jobs...those people are who was responsible for last year. they have been replaced so give each player a clean slate to work with.
The whole team did play bad last year.
Braylon had a giant role is some if it. If you cannot see it, then you aren't looking or are blinded for your love for him.
And can we please stop with the Michigan stuff. You cannot prove whatsoever that people hate him because he's from Michigan.
And you CANNOT prove that they DONT hate him because he is from Michigan!
He is the only threat we have on Offense, maybe you would be happy with Steptoe and Sanders as our starters but i sure as heck wouldnt be! step back and get over your ego for a bit....we have gave the rest of the guys a clean slate for this year, do it with our best weapon! he will bounce back and tear it up this year! And its not love, or a man crush its commons freaking sense you dont trade your best player on O, well maybe you lack common sense? so i will speak slowly to you....."he best WR on team!" there i put it in caveman so maybe you would understand
You're actually starting to irk me so I'm going to foil you. My father went to Michigan and I am therefore a born and raised Michigan fan *ducks out of the way*. I graduated high school with Pat Massey and rooted for him the whole time he was at Michigan.
Follow me? Good.
Now...I DO NOT LIKE BRAYLON EDWARDS! I was a huge fan of him when we drafted him, but he started to wear away with me when he held out and drove off from the deal where he was supposed to sign. He further wore me down during the helicopter incident. Finally, I flat out had it and started to find myself agreeing with Vers' calling him Leon after the Frye jersey incident on the sidelines. He got back in my good graces when he really played like crazy in the 2007 season and I thought he was on the path to maturity, but with his me-first antics and poor play last season, he's showing me that he's a petulent child.
Please show me how he does not have significant attitude problems. Please show me how he does not have significant concentration problems. Please show me that he doesn't have problems keeping his mouth shut off the field. Please show me that he's not just in everything for himself and that he's not a crybaby.
I'll tell you right now who my favorite player on the team is: Joe Thomas. He is everything Browns fans love: humble, dedicated, mature, talented, and QUIET. When you pose someone like Joe against Braylon Edwards, it makes BE look like more of a dolt.
And you can throw Kellen Winslow in there too, but at least he tried all the time.
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Besides, as it stands now, he'll be a restricted free agent, not a true one. We'd still control his rights.
Pluto says with the pending 2010 uncapped year coming up...It's hard to say if he's a RFA or UFA...
As of now a Player with 5 Accrued Seasons is an UFA...That's Edwards...
As far as trading him???...Folks can like it or not...But this Stallworth deal is weighin' heavily on this...Yeah Yeah Yeah we all know he's worthless...He's still a bonafide WR in this league...Without him we almost CAN'T move Edwards...Unless 2 things happen...
If Stalls is history...And we'll know for sure long before the draft...We MUST sign another FA...That's not even debateable...
Then we MUST secure a HIGH PICK at WR when we do trade em'...
This CAN work...I still say offer him to the JETS at 17...Philly at 21...or even 28...
17 might be too high if we target a WR with the trade...Heyward Bey is a MUST STAY AWAY FROM...That's an Edwards for Edwards swap...Minus the TUDE...Bey's got as inconsistant hands as Edwards...
The 2 I'd love to see replace a traded Edwards are Nicks and Britt...And 17 is too high...36 and they both are gone most likely...
TUBBY DAWG...Michigan...There's always an A HOLE out there that will NEVER take to a Michigan player here...I'm sure Steve Everitte heard it too...But to say even the MAJORITY feel that way is a bit over=stated...No???...Quite frankly the thought of him being from Michigan never even crossed my mind since day one...And this is a Buck Fan...
Edwards situation has become fragile since the Miami deal with Stalls...We gotta be careful now...An inconsistent WR is replaceable...Much like TO is replaceable and always has been...
We've talked about Crabtree at 5 Toad...If this goes down it DOESN'T HAVE TO BE Crab's at 5...But it would definitely be UNDERSTANDABLE as to why they took Crab's...Hell...I'd understand if they took Crab's at 5 and DID NOT trade Edwards...He's gotta be 1-2-3 on virtually EVERY teams board...
I've always said this and will till KC makes their pick at 3...AARON CURRY WILL BE THERE AT 5...Unless Seattle snags him at 4...For a 4-3 D...U DON'T BUILD A 3-4 DEFENSE AROUND AN INSIDE LB...I've got BJ Raji inked for KC at 3...A NOSE IS WHAT U BUILD IT AROUND...
BROWNZFAN---A 3rd for Brey???...lmao...U tote Edwards as an Elite Wide-Out...Then value him at a 3???...Make some damn SENSE once in awhile...If we're gonna move Edwards it will be for a FIRST ROUND PICK and NOTHING LESS on draft day...
Once we wanted SMITH included in this NY thing with the 2nd (#45) and a 5th...THAT elevated the package to at least a FIRST...Once those other 2 stiffs were mentioned it DROPPED it...And we WISELY DENIED IT...
Be prepared...And it's why I say do not leave the bar on draft day after about pick 15...Edwards is on the market and the move could be made at ANY TIME...IF he stays a Brown in 09...We MUST FRANCHISE him and make the move next spring...Either way Edwards is a ONE YEAR RENTAL...
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Caveman myopic. We no have Braylon after next year. We get something now while we can, Ugh......
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