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And Nas, if you can't laugh at yourself because of your unfortunate choice of words, then you need a drink to lighten up. It was funny. 
I'll admit it was pretty funny....and I did laugh. Even so, I still should probably consider that drink.  The real world can really suck the life out of you at times and yesterday just happened to be one of those days. 
Anyway, in terms of the Quinn discussion I found this to be very interesting......
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_12214434
"The Broncos also made preliminary inquiries about Brady Quinn but were told the Cleveland Browns' third-year quarterback was not available for trade."
Wonder if we have a buyer lined up for DA?? My guess is we're content with having a QB competition but I was intrigued nonetheless. Denver seems to be pretty desperate for a QB if they would trade up for Sanchez. Can't believe we'd pass on one of the Broncos 1st round picks if we had any interest in letting Quinn go.
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I could argue his dream did come true, just not the way he wanted it. Hmm....
So..............If we sacrifice you, we can get a 1st for Anderson?
DEAL!! 
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I could argue his dream did come true, just not the way he wanted it. Hmm....
So..............If we sacrifice you, we can get a 1st for Anderson?
DEAL!!
does sacrificing him mean that he has to be a Lion's fan? That seems a bit harsh.
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* Keep an eye on the Detroit Lions' negotiations with quarterback Matthew Stafford. They're said to be now in the "contentious" stage. The Lions might already have a deal in place with linebacker Aaron Curry.
I know Curry stated that he did have talks with the Lions and that he would sign in a heart beat a contract that matched last years #1 Long with no increases...just the same deal.
So can we also assume that the Lions asked him if he would and he said yes??? Definately they know that and he's their safety valve.
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It was for Drafting CARR, GAFFNEY, Chester Pitts, Ben Joppru, Peek, Seth Wand, Dave Ragone, Fred Weary, Charles Hill, Morency, ALL 1st Day Picks and early ones at that. Among some others as well.
JMHO and outside of Duante Robinson didn't do much for their D till 06.
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No price is too high!
Death, or become a Lions fan.............He can choose, but his sacrifice will not be forgotten!
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The teams reportedly "after" Edwards who are offering their 2nd are nuts...the 2nd round picks of the Giants OR Eagles is too late in the second to make said 2nd worth it to me...they need to pony up more than that.
And I want Edwards gone.
I think the 29th pick in the first round IS essentially a 2nd round pick. I wouldn't give up that first pick in a trade for BE, but my team is not one big, strong WR away from maybe winning the Super Bowl.
I want their first and something more...maybe a 4th given that said 4th is what?...4 slots from being a 5th.
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Eh, watching the Lions every week (at least when they're not blacked out) isn't so bad really. The second half of last year was actually rather funny here up north.
EO, it going to be fun to see what the Lions do, as they keep saying they want Stafford but have Curry's deal done as a fall back, but for the last week damn near every fan up here wants Curry. If they draft Stafford, the fans might just burn down Ford Field.
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Oh, shoot, did I just decide my own fate? You know, like Pharaoh and his first born?
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I have bearing hearing on the radio that the browns approached the Dolphins for Ronnie Brown wanting to trade Braylon Edwards for him. Quote:
Ronnie Brown On The Block?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2009, 8:04 p.m. EDT
As the 2009 draft approaches, Braylon Edwards isn’t the only top-five pick from 2005 who could be available via trade.
According to Michael Lombardi of NFP, the Dolphins “might be interested ” in discussing a trade of running back Ronnie Brown the second overall selection from that same draft.
Brown is signed through 2010, at base salaries of $3.6 million this year and $5 million next year. It’s also possible that the sixth and final season of his rookie deal is voidable, which is a common facet of rookie contracts given to players taken in the upper reaches of round one.
He rebounded from a torn ACL during 2007 to play in every game last season, rushing for 916 yards and scoring ten touchdowns.
In four seasons, Brown has rushed for 1,000 yards only once, racking up 1,008 yards in 2006.
If Brown were to be moved, the Dolphins likely would try to replace him with a rookie, possibly a mid-round pick who could be counted on to move the chains, if adequate blocking is provided to him.
The Fins currently have $7 million in base salary devoted to the top two spots on the depth chart; Ricky Williams is due to earn $3.4 million this year, the final season of his contract.
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have bearing hearing on the radio that the browns approached the Dolphins for Ronnie Brown wanting to trade Braylon Edwards for him.
I hardly ever say never, but in this instance NEVER, NO WAY!!!
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replace Brown with a mid round pick?  How about our 4th for Brown?
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Brown is a very good and talented back, but he can't seem to stay on the field. No way I do that. Make it Braylon and our 4th for Brown and their first.
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No way I do that. Make it Braylon and our 4th for Brown and their first.
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Eh seems to me to be garbage in, garbage out. Both are underacheiving high draft picks with a bit of attitude problems. Both have had injury concerns. I think it helps the dolphins more as it gives them a legit number 1 WR and gives us a running back which I think are a dime a dozen.
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Nope. I honestly think that would be a fair deal. Braylon is worth more than a 1st, and Brown is worth more than a 4th. Combine the left over amount from the Barylon/first and add that with a 4th and it equals a first. (Did that make sense to anyone but me?)
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No . it makes ZERO SENSE to me .. U lost me when U said that Brey was worth more than a 1st ... THATS JUST NUTS .. I have no clue who in the hell U think this guy is .. lets see .. 1. DROPS EVERYTHING .. 2. A-HOLE FOR A TEAMMATE .. 3. CANLT RUN A ROUTE TO SAVE HIS LIFE .. 4. INCONSISTENT AS HELL ... Ya .. thats the make up I want for my #1 WR ... 
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1. DROPS EVERYTHING ..
2. A-HOLE FOR A TEAMMATE ..
3. CANLT RUN A ROUTE TO SAVE HIS LIFE ..
4. INCONSISTENT AS HELL ...
Exagerate much????
1. He sure did catch 16 TD's the year before
2. So is TO, #85 and Moss, but they are #1 WR's on their teams.
3. Really??? I've seen him run many good routes. I think your grasping at straws to make an argument.
4. True. But he also has a lot of talent. It's his focus that is the ?? and if a team thinks they can coach him they will definatly think they got a steal with the 29th overall pick.
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stick to frogger dude .. thats where your in your element .... Moss was recently traded for a 4TH ROUND PICK .. good argument dude .. OWENS HAS BEEN CUT FROM HIS LAST TWO TEAMS ... another good argument .. any other examples u wanna bring up??? .. like I said .. stay in your element and go play toad's game ..
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Ah the elitist attitude. Always nice to debate people who are so full of themselves.  You were commenting that Braylon is an A-hole which is not someone you want as a #1 WR. I was clearly stating that yes he is an A-hole but so are the other three and they are also #1 WR on their teams. Try and keep up.
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j/c Source Report: Cleveland Browns tell Broncos no on Quinn by By Mary Kay Cabot Friday April 24, 2009, 1:04 PM Chuck Crown / Plain Dealer PhotographerBrady Quinn's name continues to swirl in NFL trade talk circles. The Broncos made preliminary inquiries about trading for Browns quarterback Brady Quinn on Thursday but were told Quinn was not available for trade, a source told the Denver Post. However, that doesn't mean the Browns and Broncos won't pull off a draft-day trade involving a quarterback. The Broncos have discussed trading up to get USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, and if he's still there at No. 5, the two teams will undoubtedly talk. The Browns are also said to be interested in the fast-rising Sanchez, but it's not known if that's an attempt to spur interest in the pick. The Broncos have the No. 12 and No. 18 overall picks, the latter coming from Chicago in the trade for quarterback Jay Cutler. Quinn's name also came up when the Broncos were trying to trade Cutler, but Browns coach Eric Mangini denied a report that the Browns were close to dealing him. The Post reported that the Broncos may have discussed trading up with Jacksonville for the No. 8 pick in hopes of landing Sanchez, but there are strong indications now that he won't last that long. Washington at No. 13 is definitely interested in moving up to get him and the Jets at No. 17 are also reportedly in the mix.
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Wow, 12 and 18 for our 5.....me likey!
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You're listing the reasons we should trade him and I completely agree. There is no way I'd give up a first for him, but not everyone is as smart as us. Here are some reasons why a team would want him:
1. 16 touchdowns in 07.
2. 1300 yards in 07.
3. Only 26-years old.
4. Huge play making ability
5. Makes some amazing plays.
6. Good blocker.
7. They have NOTHING else.
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You're listing the reasons we should trade him and I completely agree. There is no way I'd give up a first for him, but not everyone is as smart as us. Here are some reasons why a team would want him:
1. 16 touchdowns in 07.
2. 1300 yards in 07.
3. Only 26-years old.
4. Huge play making ability
5. Makes some amazing plays.
6. Good blocker.
7. They have NOTHING else.
one more huge addition to your good list: a rookie WR drafted at the bottom of the 1st round is not going to lead a superbowl team at WR. but #17 could if he plays like he did in 2007.
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...just to add or question, is it true that he's willing to play under his existing contract for this next year? I'm not sure if he's looking for a contract extention or new one. If he's former, that's another plus.
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i'm not sure...but it is rare that a younger player with only a little time left doesn't get a contract extension upon the trade. see Kellen Winslow in TB for the most recent example.
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Here are some reasons why a team would want him:
1. 27 touchdowns in 07.
2. 4,500 yards in 07.
3. Only 26-years old.
4. Huge play making ability
5. Makes some amazing plays.
6. Huge Arm.
7. They have NOTHING else.
so where is the first round draft pick for him .. 
and the Gnats do not have as bare a cubbard as folks would make it seem .. I really like S. Smith .. hes gonna be a real good one ..
and what about Boldin .. hes WAY BETTER than Edwards in everything but speed .. TOUGH, SMART, BIG, GLUE FOR HANDS .. NO ATTITUDE .. all his teammates LOVE HIM ....
and he will not even get a 1st .. why u think were gonna get one for Brey is beyond me .. and we might .. BUT THAT WILL BE IT ... nuttin more ..
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i love the head games m/k are playing. here's a take on it. figures since, even today, new articles are coming out saying jets and bucs could trade for quinn. any trade will happen on draft day on our terms. leverage out the wazoo. Quote:
Whatever else could their position be?
The unspoken “currently” probably finishes the quote this regime will never publicly utter or otherwise have attributed to them at this time.
Dealing Quinn to anyone at this moment would deprive the club of the favorable leverage it now enjoys, sitting in what is not exactly “the cat-bird’s seat,” but close enough to be active in preserving full play-out status.
The Browns’ Braintrust—they’ll get capital letters at least until the results of this weekend’s picks are in—have themselves in the midst of many conceivable machinations presently. Today word out of Buffalo, for example, suggests that team would like to manuever from 11 and/or 27 in advance of Cinn’s pick at six, so as to assure the Bills a shot at Bama OT Andre Smith, the closest this draft class comes to a powerful run-blocking candidate with potential feet for the edge.
To do that, Cleveland’s pick at five qualifies.
Already, Cleve has itself in position to draft one of these frequently forecast for the top five: Wake LB Aaron Curry, Baylor OLT Jason Smith, UVa OLT Eugene Monroe or one of the top-rated QBs, either Matt Stafford of Georgia or USC’s Mark Sanchez. (They’re listed in this order just to emphasize Wake Forest and Baylor have two of the class’ premier players. Imagine that!)
Curry has all-along been identified as the Browns’ preference, while Stafford seems set to go first-overall. Sanchez has been rising up many draft boards— reportedly including Denver’s, Washington’s, the Jets’ and maybe Cleveland’s too.
So, too, have uniquely-qualified 3-4 DL: NT BJ Raji and DE Tyson Jackson. (Before it’s over, another BC NT, Ron Brace, and USC DE Fili Moala will also be subjects of deal-ups to secure their rights—but that’s another story for later in the round.)
At any rate, sitting as they are at five, the Browns are in an enviable location—precisely as the regime presumably schemed to become, particularly inasmuch as they signed on, did GM George Kokinis and Head Coach Eric Mangini, aware the talent-needy organization had available to itself only four total draft opportunities. Since, it moved TE Kellen Winslow, Jr.—about as immediately as they possibly could have, by the way—to Tampa for an additional selection, gaining choice 50 to go with yet another Day-One pick at 36.
Seepage out of Berea leaked that the brass was hopeful of positioning itself into five of the top 50 opportunities. Speculation began quickly that QB Derek Anderson and WR Braylon Edwards would be the assets liquidated to up the total and realize the dream. While Edwards’ name remains in play, the QB more discussed has been Quinn.
Wouldn’t it be true that consenting to swap Quinn immediately would only expose themselves to extreme vulnerability once Round One commenced on Saturday? Suddenly, the Browns would have to be in fear of Sanchez not making it to Cleveland’s slot at five. Moreoever, the organization could hardly be as flexible whereas offers for its selection were concerned. They’d be painted into a corner, at least in contrast to what they now enjoy.
They could yet see Curry fall to them. They could be taking offers from clubs eager to land that next-best OT. Or either of the 3-4 DL. Or Sanchez. That is what is meant by “the cat-bird’s seat.”
That is what leverage looks like. That is where the new regime would rather be than having to defend itself against moving a fan favorite just 24 hours before their first NFL draft, on a day when they’d much rather have as many favorable alternatives available as reasonably possible.
So, no. Quinn is not available for trade. At least not currently. (Talk to me on Saturday, with your hat in your hand.)
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The Broncos have engaged in discussions regarding a draft trade for USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, according to an NFL source.
In possession of the No. 12 and No. 18 overall picks in the NFL draft, which begins Saturday, the Broncos understand they may have to move up to snag Sanchez, who is drawing interest from several teams. One possible trade partner is the Jacksonville Jaguars, who want to drop down from No. 8 overall.
The problem for the Broncos is teams picking higher than Jacksonville are considering drafting Sanchez with the idea of flipping him in trade. The higher Sanchez is selected, the more lucrative his contract and the less likely the Broncos could afford him.
The Broncos also made preliminary inquiries about Brady Quinn but were told the Cleveland Browns' third-year quarterback was not available for trade.
Apparently, Sanchez made a strong impression Tuesday during a private workout-interview in Los Angeles with Broncos general manager Brian Xanders and offensive coordinator Mike McCoy.
Although the Broncos have several glaring needs on defense, particularly in the front seven of their new 3-4 alignment, there is also sentiment the team should replace Jay Cutler as their franchise quarterback while they have the rare flexibility that comes with having two first-round picks.
Cutler, the Broncos' starting quarterback since the 12th game of the 2006 season and a Pro Bowl selection last season, was granted his request to be traded this month following a falling-out with new coach Josh McDaniels.
In return for sending Cutler to the Chicago Bears, the Broncos received quarterback Kyle Orton and draft picks that include the No. 18 selection and a third-rounder in this year's draft. Even if the Broncos nab Sanchez, Orton could still be their starting quarterback this year.
Orton has one year left on his contract for an affordable $1.095 million, and it's possible the Broncos could retain him for a second season as a restricted free agent. The Broncos also signed another veteran quarterback, Chris Simms, to a two-year contract last month.
It should be noted the Broncos also expressed interest this offseason in acquiring New England quarterback Matt Cassel but ultimately decided against the deal. Cassel wound up getting traded to Kansas City.
Competition for Sanchez could be fierce as the Washington Redskins, New York Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers figure to be interested. But he is not the Broncos' only draft option.
If it's determined the cost for acquiring him is too steep, the Broncos covet several other draft prospects, most notably defensive tackle B.J. Raji, defensive end Tyson Jackson and outside linebacker Brian Orakpo.
One reason the Broncos may balk at moving up to the No. 8 draft spot is the same reason the Jaguars want to move down: money. When both teams picked at the same positions last year, Jacksonville endured a lengthy holdout from defensive end Derrick Harvey before paying him a $17.1 million guarantee while the Broncos signed left tackle Ryan Clady to an $11.4 million guarantee.
That's a $5.7 million difference between the No. 8 and No. 12 spots — enough to challenge the Broncos' budget after they committed $106 million to sign 12 new free-agent players this offseason.
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Wow, 12 and 18 for our 5.....me likey!
Get it done!
Wowsers, I just made a mess in my trousers!
Edit- shouldn't get my hopes up- that does sound high.
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Wow, 12 and 18 for our 5.....me likey!
Get it done!
Much more likely to get Buf or Den's 1st and 2nd than two 1s... the points work out about exactly with buffalo's.
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:yawn: Get over yourself. Here is the Quote I was responding to. Quote:
I have no clue who in the hell U think this guy is .. lets see ..
1. DROPS EVERYTHING ..
2. A-HOLE FOR A TEAMMATE ..
3. CANLT RUN A ROUTE TO SAVE HIS LIFE ..
4. INCONSISTENT AS HELL ...
Ya .. thats the make up I want for my #1 WR ...
You list 4 reason why Braylon is not a #1 WR.
Really you only list 3 because 1 & 4 are actually the same reason. #1 is just flat out wrong he is just inconsistent and has a lot of drops.
#2 has no bearing on being a #1 WR because there are/have been plenty of WR who were A-Holes
#3 is just flat out wrong as well. For a guy who can't run a route to save his life he sure is in a position to catch a lot of passes even if he dropped them.
Now whether or not the Giants think he is better than anyone at the #29 spot is the question. I think it is more along the lines is they do but they don't think he is worth 10 million which is what is being reported he think he is worth. The Giants don't want to trade their first for a one year run with a guy who they don't plan on paying 10 million when that #29 can be use on somone that might help the team two, three years down the road.
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If I'm in charge this is what I do...
First take the Giants offer of a 2 and a 5 for Edwards.
Then trade one of our three 2nd rounders for Boldin, who is now available for a 2nd round pick.
Summary, you get rid of the Wide Receiver we don't want. Get a better Wide Receiver for less, and still have the #5 pick to take whoever you want.
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No need to .. u take care of it all by your lonesome ... U don't need my help ..
SEE YA ... go have a chat with Ammo and Da Man Is Hot and Loyal and the 'witch is dead" .. instead of lowering my IQ U can raise each others ... 
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it won't be that simple as there is now a bidding war for boldin. eagles, giants, ravens, titans, they're all looking. it's kind of smart because eventually, one of them is going to up the ante to a 1st rounder.
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Yeah that's what I thought. So much for embarrassing me.
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Cardinals GM Rod Graves denies that the Cardinals have dropped their asking price on Anquan Boldin -- or that there ever was one.
"None of that is true," Graves said. "We've never said what we were looking for. All we've said is that we're willing to listen and certainly would consider something of commensurate value." Larry Fitzgerald doesn't believe Boldin wants to get traded, and Graves insists that an extension is more likely than a trade.
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Well if they are asking for a 2nd for Boldin then Edwards trade value just dropped. I'd rather have Boldin myself.
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