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"I humbly and respectfully come to Browns fans and the Browns letting all know that I have given my all to this team, on and off the field for 4 complete years selflessly without regard to myself and my own family." Cribbs' statement read.
This tells me that Cribbs himself wrote this, or his PR person has a 4th grade education. 
That being said, I don't fault the guy for trying to get as much as he can right now. I'm not sure there's many of us who understand what it's like to be done with your career at 35 (or younger) and really have no other skills outside of football. I mean, have you heard him talk? He sure ain't gonna be no broadcaster.
Now, if you gave me $1,000,000 in a lump sum and said "you have to live off this the rest of your life", I'd probably be able to find a way. But, I don't think too many pro athletes think like that.
In the end, I understand why he wants as much money now as he can get. But, I think he's going about it all wrong.
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Now, if you gave me $1,000,000 in a lump sum and said "you have to live off this the rest of your life", I'd probably be able to find a way. But, I don't think too many pro athletes think like that.
Now add another 350,000 free and clear per year for 5 years to that 1,000,000 and tell me you still couldn't live a good life, if you had to change careers at 35 and get buy on another 30 to 40,000 per year for the rest of your life 
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"I humbly and respectfully come to Browns fans and the Browns letting all know that I have given my all to this team, on and off the field for 4 complete years selflessly without regard to myself and my own family." Cribbs' statement read.
This tells me that Cribbs himself wrote this, or his PR person has a 4th grade education.
That being said, I don't fault the guy for trying to get as much as he can right now. I'm not sure there's many of us who understand what it's like to be done with your career at 35 (or younger) and really have no other skills outside of football. I mean, have you heard him talk? He sure ain't gonna be no broadcaster.
Now, if you gave me $1,000,000 in a lump sum and said "you have to live off this the rest of your life", I'd probably be able to find a way. But, I don't think too many pro athletes think like that.
Well a recent study did say that 78% of NFL players go broke shortly after they retire..
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That's not due to lack of money, it's due to ignorance. The amount of money they receive means nothing, they can blow any amount of money....
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Oh, I KNOW I could make it on that. But, I don't have the mindset that a lot of pro athletes have, and I don't have the "hangers on" that the pro athletes have.
Not an excuse, just a fact. That SI article about how and why pro athletes go broke was really a good one, and I see why these guys want to make as much as possible quickly.
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Uh..give me $750,000 and I'd be smiling big time right now..
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All the wise old owls of 40-50 years of age say they could make it on a mil.
Think back to your early 20's,with a wife and kids and taxes on everything from your salary to your beer.Oh,and let's not forget the health issues you're sure to face later on in life.A million dollars isn't what it used to be.
I don't approve of the tactic Cribbs is using,but I do agree he should be payed more.
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 Josh, ummm you could do what the rest of us common folks do till we are 70. Find another career after your first one ends, and keep working and living within your means. 
It's a little more complicated than that.. if he were in a job where he wasn't risking life and limb every play.. yeah,, I see that. But he could end up crippled for life from what he does for a living..
That coupled with a players career being short anyway and you can see why they wanna make the loot quick..
Still, he signed a contract.. he should show up for camp and have his agent work on a new deal for him.. But no matter what, he should be in camp.. JMO however.
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Cribbs is drastically underpaid for his line of work and should get it while he can. In 10 years no one will remember his name, nor will the big payday be there. But him and his family will still be here and I'm guessing they'd rather not have to work at McD's to get by.
If you went to work and saw people around you making 10x what you make, doing a lot less or maybe very little... would you be satisfied w/ your paycheck? Of course not.
Cribbs is worth much more to this team and they've obviously shut him out. Just another brilliant move by this franchise. Apparently it really doesn't matter who the coach or GM is, they will continue to make stupid mistakes.
Maybe it's about time for Lerner to go. That could be the root of the problem.
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if you went to work and they thought about adding new responsibilities because they think you can do it, do you ask for a raise right away? no, you work hard, you learn, you show some measurable amount of success, so you have a case for a raise.
Yup and in today's economy many are taking more responsibility out of demand and / or understanding of need. Ultimately though that line of thought does not apply to the economics of professional sports.
Sign a contract.....honor a contract. Again, I believe that ideal has long been lost in the NFL and other pro leagues. Hell, it was lost on enough folks who irresponsibly signed mortgages. 
Still, it's a principle I believe in. Get to work Josh. You already said you would when you signed the dotted line.
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It's a little more complicated than that.. if he were in a job where he wasn't risking life and limb every play.. yeah,, I see that. But he could end up crippled for life from what he does for a living..
Talk about being overdramatic. Ask construction workers about crippling injuries etc. and then ask them what happens when they hold out. 
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j/c..
Am I the only one who is sad that he is asking for a trade?
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Am I the only one who is sad that he is asking for a trade?
No, Turk, I am too. My Dad and I were talking about this at lunch, and he had a good point. He said he likes Cribbs because the guy is a character. And that's true. When we would kick off or (more likely) punt, I usually just watched him instead of the rest of the play. And whenever he got his hands on the ball, you could feel people just waiting to jump out of their seats.
At the same time, though, we have to do what's best for the team. If it means trading him, so be it. I'll miss the guy, but no one is bigger than the Browns.
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He just may have burned some bridges.
Meh, the second he returns a punt for 80+ for a TD....99% of those mad Browns fans will forget this ever happened.
Looks like it's gonna be a tough battle between these two sides.....I hope they can settle this soon.
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I don't think he's burned any bridges with fans. While many of us think he may be approaching this the wrong way, he's one of those players that we'd welcome back with open arms.
The problem is if he's burned bridges with the FO.
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Meh, the second he returns a punt for 80+ for a TD....99% of those mad Browns fans will forget this ever happened.
I doubt lamp was talking about the fans. We all know how fickle they are. 
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No worries .. he is going no where .. this is just more posturing on his part ...
worst CASE ... he holds out till the day he has to report to recieve his first check ... that is some time the beggining of the week before the first game ... and thats worst CASE ..
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Meh, the second he returns a punt for 80+ for a TD....99% of those mad Browns fans will forget this ever happened.
I meant with the front office.
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It's a little more complicated than that.. if he were in a job where he wasn't risking life and limb every play.. yeah,, I see that. But he could end up crippled for life from what he does for a living..
Talk about being overdramatic. Ask construction workers about crippling injuries etc. and then ask them what happens when they hold out.
You know how Daman is...always trying to find some example of how this compares to that...Daman..errr Drama 
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It's a little more complicated than that.. if he were in a job where he wasn't risking life and limb every play.. yeah,, I see that. But he could end up crippled for life from what he does for a living..
Talk about being overdramatic. Ask construction workers about crippling injuries etc. and then ask them what happens when they hold out.
Not to mention the dangers faced on a daily basis by police officers, fire fighters, and all of the members of our armed forces serving overseas.
Yeah .... spare me if a $6 million contract is somehow seen as taking food out of the mouths of his family ...... 
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Gotcha.  This crap happens every offseason. Briggs 2 years ago, Chad OchoCinco last year, they wine about their contract and promise to sit out/demand a trade......however, they usually report and play OR get a new deal and play. It's way too early to worry about it now.
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Looks like Cribbs isn't the only one upset about his contract situation: www.KFFL.comBrowns | Dawson absent Thursday Thu, 21 May 2009 13:14:14 -0700 The Associated Press reports Cleveland Browns PK Phil Dawson was not present for the team's workout Thursday, May 21. It is believed Dawson is looking for a new contract.
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pft, lol.
reminds me of that old madden commercial when ray lewis was on the cover. "kickers will speak when spoken to!"
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pft, lol.
reminds me of that old madden commercial when ray lewis was on the cover. "kickers will speak when spoken to!"
lol, or the one a couple years ago when the guys are choosing up teams and Daunte Culpepper picks the meter man instead of David Akers.
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Meh, all you do is kick a ball. Phil can't even use the "I'm putting my body in harms way" defense like Cribbs did.
Let him sit. He doesn't need to know any plays. He'll be on the field game 1.
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Meh, all you do is kick a ball. Phil can't even use the "I'm putting my body in harms way" defense like Cribbs did.
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Mr. Cribbs...someone should run your numbers before you open your mouth.
He makes ~$1mil per year. Average doctor earns $150K per year right now.
10x$1mil = $10million
150K x 25 = $3.75million
I understand he wants and deserves a bit of a raise (to around $3mil/year)....but he only ended up sounding like a buffoon with that statement.
when will athletes realize not to compare themselves to other professions?
Disclaimer: Yes, I realize that you'd have to subtract a bit off Cribbs total. Not only for the first few years where he made less, but also due to taxes being higher for the high earners in this country. So, really, he probably makes closer to 2 times the amount in 10 years that it would take an average doctor 25 years to make.
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Thu, 21 May 2009 13:14:14 -0700
The Associated Press reports Cleveland Browns PK Phil Dawson was not present for the team's workout Thursday, May 21. It is believed Dawson is looking for a new contract.
Dawson deserves consideration for a better deal, and what will likely be his last deal in the NFL. We should absolutely offer him something in line with the upper echelon of kickers... but if he too has squirrely ideas on his worth like Cribbs does, then we trade Dawson as well..... or just tell him to shut up and play out his current contract.
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Does anyone have any doubt that Cribbs cannot do well at these new positions that he is being introduced too?
I think he can do well...
He's a phenomenal athlete and I know he will work hard and give it 100%.. does that mean he can transform from being a college QB to a special teams specialist/part-time WR... then go to being an NFL caliber safety or some other position? Those positions take years of refinement of your skills, your instincts, your reactions, etc... Heck yes I have doubts.
We have all kinds of doubts that a great college DE can play in the same spot on the field only play it standing up as an OLB... and you have no doubts that this guy can learn an entirely new position that he's never played before in 4 months?
Cribbs would be best served to play out the year and do his best to excel at his new role, whatever it is... then ask for the new contract. Heck, they could give him a modest contract bump this year, just to be nice, then he comes out and plays all-world safety... then what? Is he going to do this again next year? He'll end up looking like a crybaby.
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Oh and stop Rubbing yourself - you'll go blind
You know you've pretty much nailed it when you get this response.
If you stop creating scenarios in your head and stop reacting to them you might just be ok. That light at the end of the tunnel is sanity...walk towards the light....
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If we are lucky, we get 10 years at best to make all the money we can to last the rest of our life."
Josh, ummm you could do what the rest of us common folks do till we are 70. Find another career after your first one ends, and keep working and living within your means.
Ditto.
I could swear when they bring these kids into the league.
They are told that they need to "prepare for life outside of football".
In Fact.
I think there are programs to prepare them for just that.
Not to hoard money and "things" so they can grow old and fat on the sofa at 35.
Get a degree or finish a degree in the offseason.
And do what you were going to do if you had never been in the league Josh.
Either way, at the end or your football career, you are going to have to "man up".
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"That's not due to lack of money, it's due to ignorance."
Usually its spent on buying a restaurant or bar and suck all their money into it. From a Brother in-law or something.
Them who buy McD's or real estate - or an Asian car dealership do pretty good.
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I'm in sports mode Grammer.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
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Mr. Cribbs...someone should run your numbers before you open your mouth.
He makes ~$1mil per year. Average doctor earns $150K per year right now.
10x$1mil = $10million
150K x 25 = $3.75million
I understand he wants and deserves a bit of a raise (to around $3mil/year)....but he only ended up sounding like a buffoon with that statement.
when will athletes realize not to compare themselves to other professions?
How can you compare athletes to doctors?
How about comparing athletes to athletes? You know, apples to apples?
Let's try this:
DEVIN HESTER - http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player?statsId=7806
NFL Experience: 4th season
Salary: $5,492,500
JOSH CRIBBS - http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/350765
NFL Experience: 5th season
Salary: $645,000
Cribbs is often compared to Hester.
Now, are you telling me that Cribbs is even in the neighborhood of being paid according to what others in his profession are being paid? It's irrelevant what doctors or lawyers or the US president makes. What's relevant is what others in your profession are making.
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I think there's a better way of looking at it. The salary cap for each team this year is $128M. If memory serves we're about 20M under that cap right now. Cribbs is making $650k + incentives that I'll leave out as many other players have incentives as well. If this is correct: FOX Sports Salary Information Then Cribbs has the 41st highest salary on the team. And he's destined to be in the 40-53 range for the next 4 years, his prime earning years. I'd be doing what I could to change that as well. If you're an integral player, making bottom of the league money and bottom of your team money then it should be addressed.
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