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In the same way you're given a clear-cut choice when your wife tells you she really doesn't want anything for her birthday.

Seriously, she insists, a card would be fine.

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I'll confess to having stepped on that landmine many years ago. I came out looking like Wile E. Coyote. Lesson learned.

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If you were one of these rookies, what would you do and why?

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If you were providing advice to one of the rookies, what would you advise them to do and why?

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I would tell them to enjoy the experience, because it might be something they never get to do again. I would tell them that this is the kind of thing that pros do, and tell them how much the kids appreciate it. The kids would be looking at them as pro football players, the very thing they are trying to become.

And yes, I would tell them it would make them look good with the coaches, but I would also tell them that it probably won't make a difference as far as making the team.


I wasn't trying to make you look bad with the , I just find it rediculous that people actually believe that going on this trip would have anything to do with making the team. If you need them to boost your ego, I feel sorry for you, because that was not my intention.

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But, in the end, why do people care so much?

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Cause you've got two groups on polar opposites here ..

Group 1 consists of the folks that believe Jeannie can do no right .. and of course there all over for him for FORCING his rookies to work at his charity and take a 20 hour bus ride ..

they tottally ingore he fact its a GREAT CHARITY and a GOOD CAUSE ..

Group 2 consists of the group that believe Jeannie can do no wrong .. and they just tottally ignore the fact that it was WAY OUT LINE for jeannie to ask his rooks to do this .. no matter how good his intentions were .... IT JUST LOOKS BAD and is in BAD TASTE ..

no matter how good his intentions were or how much he stressed to the rooks they had a choice .. IT PUT THEM IN A POSITION THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUT IN ..

thats why folks care ..

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Load the boys on the bus for a 10hr.ride,bid them farewell with "maybe I'll catch a ride home with you cats" then take a nap before your plane leaves.
Nothing at all wrong with that behavior.

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Devils advocacy says the head coach is more important than those players, and that Devil would be right.

I mean, it's not like he has anything else to do. He's just the head coach of the team. Maybe Lerner should ride on the same plane as the players.

I don't have a problem with the head coach taking an easier route than the players IF he had something better to do, which he most likely did.

The rookies have to learn playbooks. Mangini has much more to do than that.

Now having said that, Mangini is an ass. On a team of mostly black players, his choice in music to be blaring is stOOpid. Might as well play some Waylon Jennings and Mel Tellis while he's at it. That'll REALLY help him connect with his players

This is Mangin........er........Bill Belichek at his best. He's either going to win and it'll all be ok, or he's going to lose and be a humongous failure. I like that he's playing hardball because unlike that dolt Crennel, the players need to KNOW who's calling the shots. However, based on his reputation, you can bet I'd never invite Mangini over to dinner.

But if I did, I'd play some Tool and see how he likes it

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Cause you've got two groups on polar opposites here ..

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You forgot the third group

The one's who should be locked up in a padded cell for riding the fence.

Now move over, 'cause we both gotta fit in that cell........

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Maybe Mangini is a total jerk. Maybe he told all the rookies "I'm going to tell everyone this is voluntary, but if you don't come, I'm going to cut you and make sure no one ever picks you up." But you know what? If the guy gets us to the playoffs and the Super Bowl, I sure as hell am not going to care what kind of guy he is.

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The agents would be holding the team hostage from calling Goodell and the newspapers if that was said. Mangini seems like hes being careful about not messing up and playing by the rules in front of the media and general public. Maybe thats why he dont want the media around. You cant mess up if the media dont know everything. He better not break the rules after ratting out his old boss.

But your right. Mangini dont have to be my favorite person as long as the Browns are improving and winning. I already didnt understand as to why he would waist the time and resources to cover up the Browns mural at the stadium being one of the first things he did as the Browns head coach. And now hes expecting rookies, in their early 20s and should have the energy, to attend a football camp for young men in his hometown. Keeping them out of trouble and keeping an eye on his new recruits. The worse thing he did was not ride on the bus with them and rode the plane. Mangini probabley would have had to pay for the tickets since it isnt a team event. He would have been leading by example if he did ride the bus. I dont have to work for they guy so I dont care what hes making these young well paid players do. I really dont care about the agents. He cant be that bad if so many of his ex-players came to play for him. I also didnt read a bad thing about him from his ex-players after he got fired. Most of the negativity is coming from local writers that feel they are being left out in the cold from insider information and former staff members. Nothing from the players. Put up the Ws, consistancy, improvement, and a quality product and you wont here it from this fan. I for one would love to be in my young 20s and taking a free cross country bus ride to a place I have never visited. To teach kids a few tips in football and from what I have learned over the years would make the trip that much more fun.

I wish I had an agent in high school, because then I could have had him call the local Tribune and tell then how "we dont like the coach calling my house at 9 o'clock in the summer to make sure Im home resting for practice tomarrow and not running around with my friends chasing tail".

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Now having said that, Mangini is an ass. On a team of mostly black players, his choice in music to be blaring is stOOpid.

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You gotta have more than that to believe he's an ass.
He was also playing some rap, i think I read somewhere

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You gotta have more than that to believe he's an ass.

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Group 1 consists of the folks that believe Jeannie can do no right .. and of course there all over for him for FORCING his rookies to work at his charity and take a 20 hour bus ride ..

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they tottally ingore he fact its a GREAT CHARITY and a GOOD CAUSE ..

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However, based on his reputation, you can bet I'd never invite Mangini over to dinner.

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While it seems the guy is kind of a jerk, I'm sure that many of us will agree that THAT DOESN'T MATTER when it comes to football. What matters is that he gets us Ws.

I mean, people wonder why we continually struggle, and I think a part of it is that nobody (fans, media, etc.) is ever happy with what a coach is doing. I mean, as soon as we hired the guy, there were people ranting and raving about what a horrible choice it was, and this was before he even had a chance to run a draft, let alone coach a game.

Now, the first time we lose a game this year, people will be calling for Mangini's head.

I'm not saying we have to be "kool-aid" drinkers, but we shouldn't be as pessimistic as many of the "realists" on here. Their reality is essentially the complete extreme bad happening. "I'm just telling it like it is, the Browns will never win another game and the city will be hit by an asteroid. That's just telling it like it is."

No, you want it like it is? We haven't played a single down this season of real football. We haven't put on pads, we haven't played a preseason game, we haven't even signed a damn rookie yet! Hence, there is no way to judge how Mangini is as a coach of the BROWNS.

People mock "the best fans in football" when they have their orange colored glasses on. Well, I mock "the best fans in football" when they have their "we're the worst team in the history of the universe" glasses on.

I just get so damn tired of people finding something to complain about and then just bashing it and bashing it and bashing it. The Browns aren't perfect, and there are things Mangini is doing that I wouldn't do, but right now, I'm not going to pass judgment for the very basic reason that I don't have enough evidence to do so.

Oh, and Toad, about the music, I want to say I read somewhere that cone of the criteria for the music is to be clean, and, well, frankly, that eliminates a lot of rap stuff (although I tread on thin ice calling that "music" ). And, the point of the music is just to be loud, IIRC.

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but watching people stick up for this makes me just scratch my head and wonder if this guy could ever do anything wrong .. same on the other side ...

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Eric had reservations about doing it at first and then people told him they thought it would be a good opportunity for them to be exposed to this type of event, and having the chance to work with the kids.

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Definitley an error in judgement on Mangini's part, IMO. However, it probably doesn't warrant all the vitriole being spewed over the incident. I get the impression that Mangini is a fairly straight-shooter with his players and I honestly believe he meant it when he said the trip was strictly voluntary.

However, his hesitancy to offer the opportunity in the first place SHOULD have been his guide on this one. That tells me he at least had an inkling about the akward position this would put his rookies in. He should have gone with gut on that call!

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It's not wrong and it's very old school.

It's just old school employment, not old school football. Let us not forget these folks are employed.

How long has your place of employment been donating to the United Way or other charity organization, how long has your place of employment been donating their services to a charity organization? How many places of employment want 100% participation and prop up those that give of their money or their time by producing lists of these "giving" employees? How many of you don't want to be on that list?

It's been going on for as long as I've been employed and I think over 30 years qualifies as "old school".

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Amen Tulsa... we had a girl at our office sign up for a Habitat for Humanity gig... I overheard a couple other guys in the kitchen.. one guy said, "Are you going?" the other guy said, "I don't know, is John signed up to go?" John is the VP... if John was going, he was going.. it was that simple.

I do get a kick out the "They get to play in the NFL, they should stop whining about this stuff" attitude though... I could see if somebody made $70K a year and their boss asked them do something like this... they would complain and the unemployed folks could say "At least you have a job, you should stop whining."

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Why not help them out instead of helping out the kids that live 10 hours away?

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How is this old school?? .... asking them to do this was JUST WRONG!!! ..

Old School is making joe run a lap for a mental mistake (physical mistakes are gonna happen and shouldn't be punished unless its an extreme case .. but mental mistakes .. UNACCEPTABLE .. ) ..

Old School is holding people accountable .. and I believe that jeannie is going to do that..

Old School is getting them up at 6:00 AM and having them run wind sprints up a hill for an hour ..

Having them go on a 20 hour bus ride and work at your charity is NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO OLD SCHOOL ... hell have them go dig ditch and then have them re-fill it with the same dirt .. thats way ore old school than what jeannie did .. it is NOT OLD SCHOOL ..

I like EVERYTHING that jeannie/Coke have done so far .... EVERYTHING ..

they drafted QUALITY KIDS .. no QUESTIONABLE CHARACTERS .. NONE .. everything I have heard about everyone of these kids is that there HARD WORKING GOOD CITIZENS .....

I have not have the time to follow the college game over the last 3 or 4 years .. so how good they are .. I can't really say ... but there FOOTBALL GUYS . and that is HUGE in my book ..

at practice hes organized and holds people accountable .. i LOVE that ..

so far everything I have seen has the arrows pointing up (and its still WAY TO EARLY to know much .. but we only only gauge what we've seen so far .. ) .. and I like jeannie ..

BUT PUTTING THOSE KIDS IN THAT POSITION WAS JUST WRONG .. it was great that it was for CHARITY .. OUTSTANDING .. but asking guys that u controol there futures to help with YOUR CHARITY .... NAHH ..

that is NOT OLD SCHOOL AND IT IS WRONG!!! ..

I could really care less .. this will not really enter into my eval of jeannie one iota .. I don't think this makes him a bad guy .. to me all it means is that his heart was in the right place but he made an judgement in error by putting the rooks in a bad spot .. it means NO MORE .. NO LESS ..

but watching people stick up for this makes me just scratch my head and wonder if this guy could ever do anything wrong .. same on the other side ...

my sole defense for him would be that he did not have them at his house washing and waxing and cleaning up the inside of his car while the rest of the rooks were mowing the lawn, weeding and trimming the hedges ..

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